Discrimination against geniuses

[Whereisup]

One political problem which is endangering America is discrimination against geniuses. There are a number of people in the United States who are coming up with new ideas which would help America, but their ideas are ignored, are never debated, etc.

Almost by definition, geniuses produce new ideas or new kinds of work in the Arts, and most geniuses in past history are discriminated against by being ignored and having difficulty publishing or selling their work. In psychological studies, both people and animals tend to be afraid of things that are new.

Sometimes, the work of the geniuses in history is finally accepted during the lifetime of a genius. Sometimes the work is accepted after the death of the genius.

Sometimes the work is never accepted. We don't know exactly how many geniuses were ignored and forgotten for obvious reasons. However, from time to time, historians discover someone to whom this happened.

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas. The debate would decide whether or not to accept a new idea, but at least, the new ideas would be considered so that voters could know them and have the opportunity to adopt the ideas if the voters found the ideas to be good.

Jim

 

[NightFox]

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas.

It's not discrimination it's a signal-to-noise ratio challenge.

 

[Defiant1]

Good ideas that will make money are not hard to sell.

 

[martybegan]

One political problem which is endangering America is discrimination against geniuses. There are a number of people in the United States who are coming up with new ideas which would help America, but their ideas are ignored, are never debated, etc.

Almost by definition, geniuses produce new ideas or new kinds of work in the Arts, and most geniuses in past history are discriminated against by being ignored and having difficulty publishing or selling their work. In psychological studies, both people and animals tend to be afraid of things that are new.

Sometimes, the work of the geniuses in history is finally accepted during the lifetime of a genius. Sometimes the work is accepted after the death of the genius.

Sometimes the work is never accepted. We don't know exactly how many geniuses were ignored and forgotten for obvious reasons. However, from time to time, historians discover someone to whom this happened.

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas. The debate would decide whether or not to accept a new idea, but at least, the new ideas would be considered so that voters could know them and have the opportunity to adopt the ideas if the voters found the ideas to be good.

Jim

Just because someone has a high IQ does not make them "smart." Common sense and a sense of economics also must be included.

This is coming from a person on the good side of the IQ bell curve.

 

[Pete7469]

We're told all the time how "brilliant" the moonbat messiah is.

The guy who stutters through speeches unless spoonfed words through a machine, unless he's promoting some far left rhetorical bullshit his minions later have to do damage control for.

Instead of complaining about some vague "geniuses" and their "ideas" being ignored, it would help if you gave some names and what these ideas were.

Then we can debate if they're actually "geniuses" or Lib Bots programmed at some Ivy League ministry of marxist propaganda.

 

[Whereisup]

I didn't say geniuses in the IQ sense. I said I was using "genius" in the sense of producing a genuinely new idea or new form or work in the Arts.

Nevertheless, even misunderstanding what I wrote, you came up with a good point. Many people with a high IQ don't produce anything creative. In fact, in psychology of creativity research, it has been found that tests for creativity don't correlate with IQ tests. There are intelligent people who are creative and unintelligent people who are creative. There is some interesting research on something that happened in World War 2. Most of the good engineering students at the universities joined the military voluntarily or were drafted. That left mainly C students studying engineering. Corporations were therefore not able to hire top level engineering students and instead had to hire the C level students. Some years later, it was found that the C level engineers had earned as many patents for their companies as top level students normally did.

Many new ideas don't find a corporate buyer very quickly. For example, the inventor of the copier couldn't find any company willing to produce his invention. Finally, a tiny company agreed to take a chance, and then grew into Xerox. Inventors now continue to have a problkem selling their inventions.

Then there is basic research. Basic research isn't directly profitable to a company but it does discover basic knowledge that engineers of the future put with other basic knowledge to create new inventions. Therefore, companies don't want to do basic research. That is OK, but companies are also pressuring government and universities to change from funding etc. for basic research to funding, etc. for applied research. However, if we don't do the basic research now, we won't have the knowledge to create new inventions twenty or thirty years from now.

Jim

 

[g5000]

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas.

It's not discrimination it's a signal-to-noise ratio challenge.

This.

 

[Sunshine]

One political problem which is endangering America is discrimination against geniuses. There are a number of people in the United States who are coming up with new ideas which would help America, but their ideas are ignored, are never debated, etc.

Almost by definition, geniuses produce new ideas or new kinds of work in the Arts, and most geniuses in past history are discriminated against by being ignored and having difficulty publishing or selling their work. In psychological studies, both people and animals tend to be afraid of things that are new.

Sometimes, the work of the geniuses in history is finally accepted during the lifetime of a genius. Sometimes the work is accepted after the death of the genius.

Sometimes the work is never accepted. We don't know exactly how many geniuses were ignored and forgotten for obvious reasons. However, from time to time, historians discover someone to whom this happened.

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas. The debate would decide whether or not to accept a new idea, but at least, the new ideas would be considered so that voters could know them and have the opportunity to adopt the ideas if the voters found the ideas to be good.

Jim

Sadly you are correct and all it takes to prove that is to look at the number of programs in schools for the really smart students and contrast it to the number for the 'slow learners.' I'm not saying those who are slow shouldn't get help, but they aren't the ones who are going to solve the problems of this country. Several years ago, the school where my children went came up with a program for gifted students. The outcry from parents of the non gifted was loud and deafening.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Once this non-functional republic begins resorting to hard tyranny then it's likely that intellectuals that aren't apart of the technocracy will be seen as a threat to the people and exterminated.

 

[Katzndogz]

Why do I get the feeling that the OP considers himself a genius in the Arts, and not recognizing that genius is some kind of discrimination?

No we will never have a system of democracy for new ideas and possible inventions where people get to vote on whether or not they are harebrained.

Depending on your invention or new idea, you can publish your work in a scholarly journal or call these guys.

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[konradv]

Good ideas that will make money are not hard to sell.

Good ideas aren't always about money. When people rant against the elite, that can also mean the intellectual elite and we all suffer when that happens.

 

[RDD_1210]

One political problem which is endangering America is discrimination against geniuses. There are a number of people in the United States who are coming up with new ideas which would help America, but their ideas are ignored, are never debated, etc.

Almost by definition, geniuses produce new ideas or new kinds of work in the Arts, and most geniuses in past history are discriminated against by being ignored and having difficulty publishing or selling their work. In psychological studies, both people and animals tend to be afraid of things that are new.

Sometimes, the work of the geniuses in history is finally accepted during the lifetime of a genius. Sometimes the work is accepted after the death of the genius.

Sometimes the work is never accepted. We don't know exactly how many geniuses were ignored and forgotten for obvious reasons. However, from time to time, historians discover someone to whom this happened.

America is in such a dangerous situation that I think we should stop discriminating against geniuses, and debate their new ideas. The debate would decide whether or not to accept a new idea, but at least, the new ideas would be considered so that voters could know them and have the opportunity to adopt the ideas if the voters found the ideas to be good.

Jim

Just because someone has a high IQ does not make them "smart." Common sense and a sense of economics also must be included.

This is coming from a person on the good side of the IQ bell curve.

Holy shit, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Pete7469]

Good ideas that will make money are not hard to sell.

Good ideas aren't always about money. When people rant against the elite, that can also mean the intellectual elite and we all suffer when that happens.

That's true. There are some truly gifted thinkers out there in the "intellectual elite" like Ben Carson and Thomas Sewell. They should be exhalted for their success instead of marginalized because of their race.

Of course in the "minds" of some people you're not an "intellectual" if you're not advocating failed marxist ideas.

 

[Whereisup]

It is necessary to be careful about what one calls a seriously creative idea or work in the Arts. For example, the points of view that are frequent in the media sometimes call themselves creative, but they are really only new packaging of ideas which were current one and two centuries ago. A new cubist painting might have some new details, but the tradition of cubist paining was invented long ago. A new Internet phone now may all itself new, but it is only new in details. The actual invention of Internet phones is now in the past.

There are a number of subtleties to creativity which are never taught even in college. For example, there is a rather startling book that was ignored: Lepper, Mark R. and David Greene (1978) THE HIDDEN COST OF REWARD, Hillsdale: Lawrence Erlbaum

The book reports research in which subjects were given tasks they were supposed to do in a creative way. Some of the subjects were given money for doing the tasks, while other subjects were not given anything.

The subjects who were given money were less creative than those who were not given any reward. The reason isn't entirely clear, and since this was ignored, a lot of needed follow-up research was never funded by any agency or business.

Probably it had to do with how the subjects were directing their attention during the task. If the subject were working to earn some money, he or she probably tended to limit the ideas she or he looked at to those they thought would please the person paying them. The subjects who didn't receive a reward concentrated their entire mind on just trying to be creative.

Jim