Do you consider this Justice? Is this who we are?

[protectionist]

Engineered by Pelosi? You mean that she led the protest to the Capitol?

Weapons part? absolutely, the videos of the protest SHOW it. Agent provocateur? That was Trump that vocally sent them to the Capitol. Why would you even think that there was an agent provocateur among the group and that he HIMSELF caused all 1500+ people to go into the Capitol? that is a hilarious conspiracy theory.

You are totally brainwashed. Trump told his supporters to protest "PEACEFULLY & PATRIOTICALLY. Jan 2025, and you don't know that ?

You tube video exposes of the J6 set-up are all over the internet ? You haven't seen ? Yeah agent provacateurs with DOZENS of Biden FBIs in the crowd. Didn't get the memo ?

Sounds like you've been restricted to watching leftwing OMMISSION media. Time to expand.

 

[Luckyone]

You are totally brainwashed. Trump told his supporters to protest "PEACEFULLY & PATRIOTICALLY. Jan 2025, and you don't know that ?

You tube video exposes of the J6 set-up are all over the internet ? You haven't seen ? Yeah agent provacateurs with DOZENS of Biden FBIs in the crowd. Didn't get the memo ?

Sounds like you've been restricted to watching leftwing OMMISSION media. Time to expand.

You evidently have forgotten that the leader is always responsible for what his followers do. It does not matter ONE IOTA if trump said peacefully and patriotically. He SENT THEM and as such, the end result is his responsibility

Does leader have to be responsible for follower’s mistake? If so what they should do?​

February 4, 2021 by bfx5015

As we all know that follower it is the people who have belief in the leader and willing to work or support the leader to accomplish the same goal. Many people in the past would only think of the leader in shaping the follower’s behavior and cognition but have never thought of the possibility that the follower will also influence the leaders. In the lesson, we learned that in a relationship-based perspective, leadership is created because of the interaction between leader and follower but not only by the leader. It is not like in the past people would think that leadership is role-based. Therefore, since we know that leadership is created because both the leader and follower will leader or should a leader be responsible for the mistake their follower has created? In my opinion, I think leaders should be responsible for follower’s mistakes in most cases.

as far as you agent provocateurs led by Biden

Jan. 6 rioters the far right claimed were antifa keep getting unmasked as Trump supporters​

Misinformation about the Capitol attack continues to go viral on the right, but the claims are slowly getting debunked, federal case by federal case.

and one more

Fact check: Men who stormed Capitol identified by Reuters are not undercover Antifa as posts claim​

Social media users have been sharing content online that suggests those who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 were Antifa, not Trump supporters. Many have been using compilations of pictures as purported evidence, but examination of these images shows they do not support this claim. Meanwhile, the FBI has said there is “no indication at this time” that Antifa had played a role in the mob that stormed the Capitol.

I know that you are going to refute this as you truly believe that there was a conspiracy going on. The reality is that there is irrefutable proof that Trump sent the protestors to the Capitol, that they were armed and that they invaded the Capitol in a violent way. There is absolutely no proof you can show that your conspiracy theories are correct,

You are the one that is brainwashed. You refute facts and believe words.

 

[Luckyone]

Playtime for and with illegals has ended,
In 4 years about 5 million will be gone but Way More Importantly the influx will have dried up to less than 1,000 per year.

If you honesty believe that, you are mentally insane or have no concept of human will.

Let me ask YOU a question "If you and your family were starving, facing a bleak future where things could not get better and there was a solution to the problem (migrating to a better country), is there ANYTHING that could stop you from trying?

They will continue coming and due to the fact that overpopulation continues to occur, it will get worse (not better)

One other thing you do not understand. Let me explain it to you.

1) how much will it cost the American taxpayer to deport all illegal aliens and keep deporting them as they come

Trump wants a mass deportation program. How much could it cost?​

One report estimates it could cost tens, or hundreds, of billions a year.

2) what is the cost of building the wall and keeping the border patrol in effect

The Cost of Immigration Enforcement and Border Security​

• Since 1994, when the current strategy of concentrated border enforcement was first rolled out along the U.S.-Mexico border, the annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased nearly 20-fold, rising from $400 million to over $7.3 billion in FY 2024 (Figure 1). Even when adjusted for inflation, that is an increase of over 765 percent.

President Trump spent roughly $15 billion on border barriers during his four years in office. He built a total of 458 miles. The border with Mexico alone is 1,933 miles. If the entire border built a wall, that would mean an additional $45 billion, and that is only the border with Mexico. A lot of illegal immigration is coming through Canada,

Keep in mind that all of these costs are coming out of OUR pocket (you and me)

To finish it off, you said that no more than 1,000 illegals would come every year? You are a total neophyte in your thinking

People will continue to come in masses as it is big business for the Coyotes that bring them in. Neither is going to stop. Money generates innovation and miracles. There are hundreds of ways to come in and hundreds of reasons to do it. Illegal immigration will ameliorate but only to a small degree, As such, you will keep paying and paying and paying to keep the out.

 

[Clipper]

What a stupid idea.
I know dozens of Trump voters. NONE regret voting for him.

Did I claim that millions of willfully ignorant cultists no longer support him?

 

[JustAGuy1]

Here in this video is a Guatemalan man that was deported this week. This man was here in the U.S. illegally but he has been here for 19 years and he is married and has 2 children, one of which is 4 months old.



Imagine the consequences that his family is now going to suffer.

Is this Justice? Is this who we are now?

"Illegally" Grow up

 

[protectionist]

I was not giving that information (on post #58) to say we should take these people. I put it out to show why these people are coming here in droves. That will not stop, no matter what we do.

If we build a wall, the will dig under it or come via the ocean. If we increase border patrols, it may cause a lessening but many will still get through. We cannot have a border agent every 100 feet across our border (including Canada, Mexico and our shores.

This is a problem that has no solution. It can only be lessened. Then again, what is the cost of doing that and is that a cost that we can afford to take.

There is not a need for border agents every 100 feet. Trump's wall eliminates women, children, heavy people, unfit people, old people, disabled people. The only ones able to climb that wall and get on the ground on the American side. are young, physically fit, tall, thin, strong men.

For even them it takes quite some time to do that, and a fast moving border control car can cover a half mile in that amount of time.

As for people coming here, that number is dropping fast, right now.

 

[protectionist]

Here in this video is a Guatemalan man that was deported this week. This man was here in the U.S. illegally but he has been here for 19 years and he is married and has 2 children, one of which is 4 months old.



Imagine the consequences that his family is now going to suffer.

Is this Justice? Is this who we are now?

YES, it is justice, except that he got deported without having to do jail time + pay a fine as the law stipulates. And the longer he's been here, the more harm he has done to Americans.

Yes, this is who we are now. Better late than never.

 

[Luckyone]

There is not a need for border agents every 100 feet. Trump's wall eliminates women, children, heavy people, unfit people, old people, disabled people. The only ones able to climb that wall and get on the ground on the American side. are young, physically fit, tall, thin, strong men.

For even them it takes quite some time to do that, and a fast moving border control car can cover a half mile in that amount of time.

As for people coming here, that number is dropping fast, right now.

I just put up an OP with additional information. Check it out

 

[Contumacious]

ou evidently have forgotten that the leader is always responsible for what his followers do.

The Socialist Demon Rats, aka, the schizophrenics, claim that President Trump is responsible for what his followers did - but they have a hard time showing what his followers did .

They have not and can not show what FBI Agents did, what Antifa ruffians caused, etc etc

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Enforcing immigration law is not immoral or inhumane but the way it is enforced can be. Life is full of exceptions to the rule and morality comes from giving each and every exception some thought.

For example, a person that just crossed the border illegally (without applying for asylum) does need to get deported immediately and without question. A person that crossed the border 19 years ago and has a family that is American (as his 2 children are), needs to be considered and exception that needs to be addressed as such. This means he should not be immediately deported but given the chance to make his case in a court of law.

Why? If he should have been deported immediately once he was discovered then why shouldn't he be deported immediately once he's been discovered after nineteen years? The crime is no less egregious now than it was nineteen years ago.

Yes, he should be jailed as he is a flight risk, but he needs to be given a chance to make his case in court before he is deported, if the judge says so. He did break the law but it was 19 years ago. Most crimes have a statute of limitations where it expires within a few years, There is no statute of limitations on illegal aliens but there should be..............19 years is a long time.

Yes, it is. But it was the choice he made.

You said it..........they should be JUDGED BY and held accountable..............meaning they should go in front of a judge and he then makes the decision

Emphasis on "held accountable". But when I said this, what I meant is that the one who knowingly and willfully broke the law is the one who should be judged, not the American people or the government who are simply holding him to account.

See above.

I do want to make clear that I am not for allowing anyone to break the law. As such, I am not saying that this Guatemalan person has earned the right to stay in the United States. What I am saying is that there are mitigating circumstances involved that need to be put out into view and evaluated by a judge, other than simply having a bulk deportation of everyone because the president wanted it to be so. We are all humans and as such, we should be treated with humanity.

The circumstances are not mitigating at all because his having a family does not lessen the crime and is not relevant to the crime.

Listen, I understand what you're saying about making allowances and exceptions and I empathize with this guy. It may not look like it but I do. Problem is, allowances and exceptions is a slippery slope because it gets taken advantage of and you end up with the colossal mess we currently find ourselves in. Personal accountability has to factor in somewhere and it shouldn't be after one of these gang animals rapes and murders an innocent young woman.

 

[Luckyone]

Why? If he should have been deported immediately once he was discovered then why shouldn't he be deported immediately once he's been discovered after nineteen years? The crime is no less egregious now than it was nineteen years ago.


Yes, it is. But it was the choice he made.


Emphasis on "held accountable". But when I said this, what I meant is that the one who knowingly and willfully broke the law is the one who should be judged, not the American people or the government who are simply holding him to account.

The circumstances are not mitigating at all because his having a family does not lessen the crime and is not relevant to the crime.

Listen, I understand what you're saying about making allowances and exceptions and I empathize with this guy. It may not look like it but I do. Problem is, allowances and exceptions is a slippery slope because it gets taken advantage of and you end up with the colossal mess we currently find ourselves in. Personal accountability has to factor in somewhere and it shouldn't be after one of these gang animals rapes and murders an innocent young woman.

I already expressed my view and I am not going to repeat it.

 

[scruffy]

Engineered by Pelosi? You mean that she led the protest to the Capitol?

Weapons part? absolutely, the videos of the protest SHOW it. Agent provocateur? That was Trump that vocally sent them to the Capitol. Why would you even think that there was an agent provocateur among the group and that he HIMSELF caused all 1500+ people to go into the Capitol? that is a hilarious conspiracy theory.

Bottom line, this is totally evident

This is your agent provocateur



Do you have any videos of anyone else asking them to go to the Capitol?

Derailing your own thread again?

Orange Man bad!

Guess what, demotards screwed up SO bad the Orange man got elected again.

The Orange man is GOOD compared to any Democrat.

America doesn't like Democrats. The People have spoken, and continue to speak.

 

[DBA]

The employer knew he was here illegally. You along with many others feel this incredibly pressing need to defend the businesses attracting people here for jobs.

How do you know the employer knew that? I have no problem punishing employers who hire illegals. Can we also agree that providing them “free” healthcare, sanctuary, a debit card and a guarantee that any child they may have on American soil becomes an American citizen(entitled to benefits) are also draws?

 

[j-mac]

Enforcing immigration law is not immoral or inhumane but the way it is enforced can be. Life is full of exceptions to the rule and morality comes from giving each and every exception some thought.

For example, a person that just crossed the border illegally (without applying for asylum) does need to get deported immediately and without question. A person that crossed the border 19 years ago and has a family that is American (as his 2 children are), needs to be considered and exception that needs to be addressed as such. This means he should not be immediately deported but given the chance to make his case in a court of law.

Yes, he should be jailed as he is a flight risk, but he needs to be given a chance to make his case in court before he is deported, if the judge says so. He did break the law but it was 19 years ago. Most crimes have a statute of limitations where it expires within a few years, There is no statute of limitations on illegal aliens but there should be..............19 years is a long time.


You said it..........they should be JUDGED BY and held accountable..............meaning they should go in front of a judge and he then makes the decision


See above.

I do want to make clear that I am not for allowing anyone to break the law. As such, I am not saying that this Guatemalan person has earned the right to stay in the United States. What I am saying is that there are mitigating circumstances involved that need to be put out into view and evaluated by a judge, other than simply having a bulk deportation of everyone because the president wanted it to be so. We are all humans and as such, we should be treated with humanity.

So the message is that you can’t fix stupid break our laws, as long as you start a family you’re good? No.

 

[DBA]

Engineered by Pelosi? You mean that she led the protest to the Capitol?

Weapons part? absolutely, the videos of the protest SHOW it. Agent provocateur? That was Trump that vocally sent them to the Capitol. Why would you even think that there was an agent provocateur among the group and that he HIMSELF caused all 1500+ people to go into the Capitol? that is a hilarious conspiracy theory.

Bottom line, this is totally evident

This is your agent provocateur



Do you have any videos of anyone else asking them to go to the Capitol?

Remember Biden saying shortly before Trump being shot that “it is time to put Trump in a bulls-eye.” Was that provocative or is that different? You see, I am intelligent enough to know that he didn’t mean it literally. Did the shooter take him literally? Were the two assassination attempt(s) Biden’s fault?

 

[j-mac]

Remember Biden saying shortly before Trump being shot that “it is time to put Trump in a bulls-eye.” Was that provocative or is that different? You see, I am intelligent enough to know that he didn’t mean it literally. Did the shooter take him literally? Were the two assassination attempt(s) Biden’s fault?

Short answer, yes.

 

[Luckyone]

Remember Biden saying shortly before Trump being shot that “it is time to put Trump in a bulls-eye.” Was that provocative or is that different? You see, I am intelligent enough to know that he didn’t mean it literally. Did the shooter take him literally? Were the two assassination attempt(s) Biden’s fault?

it cannot be compared to all the hate that Trump has stimulated and all the mass killers that have killed in Trumps name

 

[pknopp]

How do you know the employer knew that? I have no problem punishing employers who hire illegals. Can we also agree that providing them “free” healthcare, sanctuary, a debit card and a guarantee that any child they may have on American soil becomes an American citizen(entitled to benefits) are also draws?

Illegals do not get "debit cards". I will discuss the facts but not made up crap.

 

[DBA]

it cannot be compared to all the hate that Trump has stimulated and all the mass killers that have killed in Trumps name

The shear number of people suffering from severe TDS in this country is a direct result of the Biden Administration and a complicit MSM. High levels of unfounded and uninformed hysteria from those people is by far the biggest internal threat our country faces.

 

[DBA]

Illegals do not get "debit cards". I will discuss the facts but not made up crap.

Migrants claiming asylum(many falsely) most certainly did in NYC.

NYC ends taxpayer-funded prepaid debit card program for illegal immigrants