Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[Robert W]

You mean as long as he's willing to impose your religious bullshit on the rest of us.

He certainly wasn't a great president in his first term.... Not sure how you think the second one will be better.

Trump does not impose anybodies religion on any American. Keep attacking my church and that proves to the posters here you are evil.
Trump was not as great as Reagan but compared to Biden or Harris, he was a stunning success.

 

[Robert W]

Again, I love the Mormon Misogyny.

Why would you even CARE that she had sex with someone? Why is that any of your business?

Especially since you support Trump, a man who cheated on all three of his wives, paid off a porn star and a playboy model, raped a woman in a dressing room, brags about how he would barge into the dressing rooms of the pagaents he owns, brags about grabbing women by the pussy, etc.

Again, you guys claim to be the party of family values, but these don't sound like family values to me.

Your party values is murdering a woman forced into a window at the Capitol. To prosecute a cop and put him in prison for dealing with a criminal on the road claiming he can't breathe.
What you don't get is that i am not responsible if Trump had sex with the multitudes as you did yourself. I don't judge presidents that way. You were not chaste when you were in the Army nor the rest of your life. Why you hammer others over sex is stunning hypocrisy.

 

[Robert W]

Naw, guy, your deranged cult has some fucked up views on women. No wonder Utah leads the country in anti-depressents.

• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The largest religious body in Utah. Some say that about one-third of Utahns are active members, one-third are inactive members, and one-third are not members.

2/3 are not active at all. So the depressions probably come from that 2/3 group. Had you gone to the church to see yourself, you would notice the immense group is happy and not depressed. My church members respect women a lot more than you do.

 

[Frankenstein]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Trump won about 2.5M more votes than in 2020, some in unexpected places

Republican Donald Trump’s support has grown broadly since he last sought the presidency. In his defeat of Democrat Kamala Harris, Trump won a bigger percentage of the vote in each one of the 50 states, and Washington, D.C., than he did four years ago.

apnews.com

Very much a mandate!

 

[Robert W]

Biden appointed mostly good people. Same with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.

Biden was so poor even his being president could not get another Democrat elected.Obama was not a good president. Clinton at least had experience then became president. Clinton also was what you claim to hate, a wild ass womanizer who cheats on his wife.

 

[Robert W]

These poor Mormon women need to drug their way out of their miserable lives.

I feel sorry for those poor Chinese women who come to this country expecting the husband will keep them supplied with Fentanyl.

 

[Robert W]

Why would you even CARE that she had sex with someone? Why is that any of your business?

You are a hypocrite. You have posted many posts showing you care about others sex lives.

 

[Independent thinker]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Well, it sure helps to have the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court. If that's not a mandate, I don't know what is, not to mention that Trump won every single swing state there was.

 

[bendog]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

I think potus's can still earn mandates for specific issues. If they run on an issue, and win both houses too .... let em have their law.

Obama had a mandate to do something about healthcare and people's lack of insurance. But imo the product he produced was NOT what the doc ordered. lol. But he promised Ted Kennedy he'd do universal coverage, and he did, until John Roberts decided he wanted to legislate from the bench after all. Obama called that one. lol

Obama had a mandate to get us out of Iraq, and I only wish he'd done the same for Afghan, before we sacraficed marines for less than jack shit.

Biden had a mandate to get the vacinnes out, after Trump decided he was better off politically not to rightfully claim we only had the vaccines because of him.

I'm not sure what Trump really ran on .... besides Harris and the progs. But you know he loves them tariffs, and hey if working class Americans vote to increase their taxes .... I say "thanks." He certainly ran on vendetta. And I was never thrilled with the progs desire to punish a guy they beat.

 

[para bellum]

Okay, I just need one business license for each of the two businesses I have, both from the city.
I have to buy insurance, but that's just common fucking sense. Last thing you need is to rack up a seven figure judgement because some idiot slipped on your floor.

No, you also have to register your business entities with the Secretary of State, and renew them annually, and you need a FEIN to open a business bank account and pay your payroll taxes. And you need the State EIN to pay your unemployment insurance.

If you are in a State with a sales tax, you need a tax ID for resale items, and also to remit the sales taxes you collect.

Because if you are a business, you are also a tax collector. Here is your State:

Sales & Use Taxes

The term “sales tax” actually refers to several tax acts. Sales tax is a combination of “occupation” taxes that are imposed on sellers’ receipts and “use” taxes that are imposed on amounts paid by purchasers.

tax.illinois.gov

A real business cannot get by with just one insurance- if you have employees, you need at least 5 different insurances as I already shown.

I have been in business way to long to not recognize when someone is blowing smoke up my ass. The labor law poster was the giveaway. No business owner would even think of including that when they talk about what it costs to run a business. I don't think I ever had a single conversation in 40 years of running businesses about the silly labor law poster.

It's something only an employee would think of, because it's on the wall in every breakroom in every business, and all you employees have a caricature view of what it takes to run a business.

If you are being inspected that often, it sounds like you have unhappy employees. The only time I saw OSHA show up a lot was at a company where the management refused to invest in people or equipment, and employees would drop a dime to OSHA on their way out the door.

I was workplace inspected (WISHA) 3 times in 4 decades, not counting the fire marshall and the air compressor inspections that are on annual or bi-annual schedules. I had an annual inspection for my CGL insurance, which was mostly a policy review to make sure my equipment was properly covered. I did not have a single OR-OSHA inspection in 17 years, but I knew I was always subject to one, and I operated accordingly.

I had happy employees because I genuinely cared for them. That's all it really takes, and they know it when you do. I never had an employee ever make a safety complaint about any shop I owned or ran. If anything, they thought I was too strict about workplace safety.

 

[JoeB131]

Look, everyone, I made another Mormon Crazy

Trump does not impose anybodies religion on any American. Keep attacking my church and that proves to the posters here you are evil.

No, man, your cult was started by a guy who wanted to con less smart people out of money and fuck teenage girls. He was the David Koresh of his day.

Trump was not as great as Reagan but compared to Biden or Harris, he was a stunning success.

Not really. Trump was the first president since Hoover to lose jobs. Historians have ranked his first term down there with Buchanan and Andrew Johnson among the worst presidents. I'm sure with his second term, he's going to be even worse.

Biden will be remembered as the guy who got us out of the First Trump Recession, got Covid under control, tackled global inflation successfully, and launched one of the most significant infrastructure programs of the era. Oh, yeah, and created 15 million new jobs.

Your party values is murdering a woman forced into a window at the Capitol.

I'm sorry your pinup girl got herself killed, but women that crazy usually manage to remove themselves from the gene pool.

What you don't get is that i am not responsible if Trump had sex with the multitudes as you did yourself. I don't judge presidents that way. You were not chaste when you were in the Army nor the rest of your life. Why you hammer others over sex is stunning hypocrisy.

I think you are missing the point. It's not that you are responsible for Trump, but you've decided to support him as long as he will impose your crazy religion on the rest of us.

How do you know if I was chaste in the army or not?

I had one girlfriend who cheated on me, and another who was a longer term relationship, but she wasn't quite right in the head. The military kind of turned me off to the concept of marriage because I watched so many senior NCOs being taken to the cleaners by second or even third wives.

Here's what I never did. I never cheated on a relationship, even when I was being cheated on. I never got involved with a woman I knew to be married or in a committed relationship with someone else.

Biden was so poor even his being president could not get another Democrat elected.Obama was not a good president. Clinton at least had experience then became president. Clinton also was what you claim to hate, a wild ass womanizer who cheats on his wife.

I think you are a bit confused. Few presidents can "get another president elected". The only modern example of that happening was Reagan boosted Bush over the finish line. The one before that was Coolidge boosting Hoover.

Here's the thing, guy, in 1998, when I used to be a Republican, I was one of those people calling for Clinton to be impeached. And I was glad when Bush was elected because he was a moral guy. At least until he crashed the economy and left me with a busted 401K and an underwater mortgage.

With Trump, we won BOTH prizes. A man who is personally corrupt AND professionally incompetent.

I feel sorry for those poor Chinese women who come to this country expecting the husband will keep them supplied with Fentanyl.

Wow, was that supposed to be a personal dig? If you knew any Chinese women, you'd know they aren't into drugs.

You are a hypocrite. You have posted many posts showing you care about others sex lives.

Well, not exactly. What two consenting adults do is really none of my business.

The problem with Trump is that he thinks "I have a lot of money and I'm famous" is the equivalent to consent.

So you have to believe that ALL these women are lying, or Trump is.

 

[Robert W]

Here's the thing, guy, in 1998, when I used to be a Republican, I was one of those people calling for Clinton to be impeached. And I was glad when Bush was elected because he was a moral guy. At least until he crashed the economy and left me with a busted 401K and an underwater mortgage.

Look, Bush did you no harm. Bush did not crash the economy. Bush fought the Congress to make sure the economy remained good. Quit blaming others for your failures.

 

[JoeB131]

Look, Bush did you no harm. Bush did not crash the economy. Bush fought the Congress to make sure the economy remained good. Quit blaming others for your failures.

Bush crashed the economy.

Deal with it.

Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

After years of financial deregulation accelerating under the Bush administration, banks lent subprime mortgages to more and more home buyers, causing a housing bubble. Many of these banks also invested in credit default swaps and derivatives that were essentially bets on the soundness of these loans. In response to declining housing prices and fears of an impending recession, the Bush administration arranged passage of the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008. Falling home prices started threatening the financial viability of many institutions, leaving Bear Stearns, a prominent U.S.-based investment bank, on the brink of failure in March 2008. Recognizing the growing threat of a financial crisis, Bush allowed Treasury secretary Paulson to arrange for another bank, JPMorgan Chase, to take over most Bear Stearn's assets. Out of concern that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac might also fail, the Bush administration put both institutions into conservatorship. Shortly afterwards, the administration learned that Lehman Brothers was on the verge of bankruptcy, but the administration ultimately declined to intervene on behalf of Lehman Brothers.[63]

Great Recession Could Have Been Prevented by Bush Administration

The Great Recession could have been prevented, as the George W. Bush administration had several opportunities to seriously address the unfolding crisis.

www.americanprogress.org

This crisis did not fall from the sky. We saw it coming. My colleague Scott Lilly and I pointed out in 2004 that the economic trends that ailed the economy and led to the sharp rise in household debt were unsustainable. American workers lived through the weakest labor market since the Great Depression after the previous recession ended in November 2001. Yet prices for key household items such as health care, energy, transportation, food, and housing rose, often at runaway speed. American families only managed to pay their bills by borrowing on their credit cards, for large consumer items and on their homes. The massive debt boom was a reflection of the economic squeeze American families were in during the 2000s.

The sad part is that the Great Recession could have been prevented. The George W. Bush administration had several opportunities to seriously address the unfolding crisis.

 

[Robert W]

Bush crashed the economy.

Deal with it.

Bush did not. Deal with the truth for once.
You are famous for lying.

 

[Robert W]

Out of concern that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac might also fail, the Bush administration put both institutions into conservatorship. Shortly afterwards, the administration learned that Lehman Brothers was on the verge of bankruptcy, but the administration ultimately declined to intervene on behalf of Lehman Brothers.

I fully understand that era. I was very deeply involved. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ruled us all. We all followed their rules. If you want to blame any institutions, blame both of them. Lehman Brothers was the giant of subprimes. I talked to them one day and tried the next day to talk to my contact and they had shut down tight. Stop pretending you understand this. You were in trouble due to what you did. Not what Bush did.

 

[Rawley]

I don't believe you. I have never known a business owner that trivializes the cost of being in business like you do. And I've known a lot of owners, and been in business for a lot of years.

I needed TWO business licenses- one from the State and one from the City.
I needed 6 separate insurances. 4 were separate policies and two were taxes- CGL, Workman's Comp, Commercial Auto, State UI, Federal UI, and health insurance for my employees. If you own the building (I didn't) you have to carry insurance for that too.
I paid 7.65% of my total payroll, plus 15.3% of my own income in FICA taxes. (You have 48 hours after payday to make the payment before you start incurring stiff penalties).
I paid personal property taxes on every piece of equipment I used in my business.
I paid Federal, State and Municipal income taxes, plus a transit tax that was based on income. The combined income tax was over 50% of my income if I earned a median income in a given year.
I paid commercial rates for utilities, which are much higher than residential rates.

I always maintained a safe workplace because I knew I was the one who would be sued if anyone ever got injured.

I was subject to spot inspections at anytime, and if anything was out of order I would be hit with a stiff fine. That includes things like making sure your fire extinguishers are up to date, and because I was a manufacturer there were all kinds of additional compliance requirements I had to be on top of at all times. Air nozzles, flammables like paints and solvents correctly stored, proper guards on the machines, etc.

The posters are nothing- you can print them out from the State Dept of Labor websites.

I also had to pay an accountant to do my taxes, and I had to pay for annual software updates to do my own payroll.

If I needed to block the street to bring in a piece of equipment I had to get a permit for that, and put people on each end to direct traffic.

I retired in 2022, and I have an 8x10 storage unit to hold the business records that I can't even get rid of until 7 years pass...

The real list is endless- your little B.S. list tells me you never ran a real business with employees in your life...

Come on, give the guy a break. Scooping Thrifty Ice Cream at the Rite Aid is no different than owning and running a business.

 

[JoeB131]

Bush did not. Deal with the truth for once.
You are famous for lying.

Even Republicans don't try to pretend Bush was a good president anymore.

I fully understand that era. I was very deeply involved. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ruled us all. We all followed their rules. If you want to blame any institutions, blame both of them. Lehman Brothers was the giant of subprimes. I talked to them one day and tried the next day to talk to my contact and they had shut down tight. Stop pretending you understand this. You were in trouble due to what you did. Not what Bush did.

As Upton Sinclair once observed, it's hard to get a man to understand a problem when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it.

Fannie and Freddie were part of the government. That means Bush didn't do enough to regulate them. I know in some weird universe you want to blame Barnie Frank because he once dated a guy who worked at Fannie, but Bush was in charge, he let the crazy nonsense go on.

Same thing with Lehman. The SEC should have been watching those clowns like a hawk. Instead, the SEC was watching online porn.

 

[Robert W]

Fannie and Freddie were part of the government. That means Bush didn't do enough to regulate them. I know in some weird universe you want to blame Barnie Frank because he once dated a guy who worked at Fannie, but Bush was in charge, he let the crazy nonsense go on.

What did you do to keep from going broke? Bush went to congress 8 times to get the system corrected. Democrats told Bush things were wonderful. Then it crashed. Not Bush's fault.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Even Republicans don't try to pretend Bush was a good president anymore.



As Upton Sinclair once observed, it's hard to get a man to understand a problem when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it.

Fannie and Freddie were part of the government. That means Bush didn't do enough to regulate them. I know in some weird universe you want to blame Barnie Frank because he once dated a guy who worked at Fannie, but Bush was in charge, he let the crazy nonsense go on.

Same thing with Lehman. The SEC should have been watching those clowns like a hawk. Instead, the SEC was watching online porn.

And we want to put this entity (the jackass federal government) in charge of health care.

 

[Robert W]

Same thing with Lehman. The SEC should have been watching those clowns like a hawk. Instead, the SEC was watching online porn.

Out of the multitude of loans my firm did, Lehman was used perhaps 2 times in all. The entire market shot down, not merely subprimes. The Democrats in congress refused to take action though Bush was on their ass for several years.