Donald Trump: This is a war (in Ukraine) that never should have started.

[rightwinger]

He was a genius who took advantage of Biden's inaction.

You sound like Trump

A genius who overestimated his own strength
Ukraine made him pay

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You sound like Trump

A genius who overestimated his own strength
Ukraine made him pay

At the time Trump made that statement, he was mocking Biden. That was all it was intended to do.

 

[rightwinger]

At the time Trump made that statement, he was mocking Biden. That was all it was intended to do.

Trump called Putin a genius and called Biden and NATO losers

The man you voted for

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump called Putin a genius and called Biden and NATO losers

The man you voted for

Trump was right. Biden lost and NATO fixed itself for the most part.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump was right. Biden lost and NATO fixed itself for the most part.

Trump sided with Putin over the US and NATO

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump sided with Putin over the US and NATO

Your memory is failing you yet again. That's a ridiculous assertion that you simply made up.

Trump said Putin was a genius in the way he flummoxed Biden in 2022. His criticism of NATO was during his first term, long before that.

Try again, dumbass!

 

[Ringo]

 

[rightwinger]

Your memory is failing you yet again. That's a ridiculous assertion that you simply made up.

Trump said Putin was a genius in the way he flummoxed Biden in 2022. His criticism of NATO was during his first term, long before that.

Try again, dumbass!

How could anyone call invading Ukraine a genius move?

It was one of the biggest military blunders in 100 years

Only Trump would admire it
Shows a lack of judgement

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How could anyone call invading Ukraine a genius move?

It was one of the biggest military blunders in 100 years

Only Trump would admire it
Shows a lack of judgement

Putin waited until Biden took office. That was the genius move, because he would have never even attempted to do so when Trump was in there. That is what Trump was talking about, catching Buden with his shit stained Depends down around his ankles.

 

[Ringo]

 

[GMCGeneral]

Putin waited until Biden took office. That was the genius move, because he would have never even attempted to do so when Trump was in there. That is what Trump was talking about, catching Buden with his shit stained Depends down around his ankles.

You noticed that too? Seems every Democrat since Kennedy has been a gutless turd when it comes to foreign policy, especially concerning hostile regimes. With Carter finally becoming worm food, I was reminded of his blunders with both the Middle East and his handling of Brezhnev's Soviet Union.

 

[Deadstick]

You noticed that too? Seems every Democrat since Kennedy has been a gutless turd when it comes to foreign policy, especially concerning hostile regimes. With Carter finally becoming worm food, I was reminded of his blunders with both the Middle East and his handling of Brezhnev's Soviet Union.

Do you really think Russia makes decisions based on who is in the White House? Russia will make decisions based on what is right for the Country and people, i doubt Putin stays awake at night worrying about who is the US President, the World doesn't revolve around the US even though they think it does.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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Donald Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, has a fundamentally different opinion on events in Ukraine compared to the opinion of Democrats, especially Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
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Spoiler

Obama, Biden and Harris say that the events in Ukraine began with popular outrage against the corrupt regime of the then Ukrainian President Yanukovych, who - on November 21, 2013 - postponed the signing of the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU. Obama personally called Yanukovych a corrupt ruler; see the thread Democratic Party Politicians and the Ukrainian Crisis.

However, Donald Trump assessed the initial situation differently last year (see the quote and video below):
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In my articles, I too have always emphasized the absolute absence of internal reasons for the protest movement – the so-called Euromaidan - that began in Ukraine at the end of 2013.

No one in their right mind would believe that people could start throwing stones at police and then start burning and killing because of something as trivial as a delay in signing some agreement.

In 1949 France became a member of NATO under one government; then in 1966 under another government, it left NATO's military structures, and in 2009 under another government, it fully returned to NATO. Probably, it will leave again in the future, then return again, etc.

In 1973, the UK became a member of the EU under one government, and left the EU in 2020 under another government. Probably, it will return again in the future, then leave again, etc.

In 1952, Greece entered NATO, in 1974 left it and in 1980 returned.

That is, countries constantly enter into some unions, leave them, return, etc. Nobody can understand why it was so important for Ukrainians to sign the association agreement with the EU exactly in 2013.

Fifteen months after the signing of the agreement between Ukraine and the EU was postponed, the next Ukrainian presidential election was due to take place, in which Ukrainians could legally elect another President, who would have signed this agreement more quickly.​

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As for corruption under Yanukovych, during 10 years which passed since Yanukovych had been removed from office in February 2014, Ukrainian authorities failed to prove that Yanukovych had stolen even a cent.

But nobody in Ukraine was ever outraged by this fact; for example, in 2017 Ukrainians were outraged by a cruel treatment of a horse which drove a tourists' carriage in Odessa; see here.

By the way, information about Yanukovych was also removed from the Interpol data base and you can see it yourself on the official website of Interpol.

In March 2014, the Russian government decided to accept the Crimea – where the majority of population are ethnic Russians - into the Russian Federation; in my opinion, to a great extent due to the fact that protesters in Ukraine had begun to burn and kill during the Euromaidan; see the thread Was there a threat for ethnic Russians in February 2014 in Ukraine (Crimean question)?

However, after acceptance of the Crimea into the Russian Federation, Ukrainian authorities began to threat with military measures for “re-integration of the Crimea” into Ukraine - please see the official website of the Ukrainian President.

And these threats were accompanied by large-scale deliveries of Western military equipment to Ukraine; see in this regard the thread Has the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine been provoked?

As for the above mentioned Russian military operation in Ukraine, Trump lays blame for it on President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. He said Biden “egged it all on” by pledging to help Ukraine defend itself rather than pushing it to cede territory to Russia; see The Associated Press.

P. S.
The title of this article “This is a war that never should have started” is taken from Donald Trump's speech during his presidential debate with Joe Biden.​

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Shouldn't have started, Biden should have sent US troops to the Ukraine before the war started, Putin would never have dared.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you really think Russia makes decisions based on who is in the White House? Russia will make decisions based on what is right for the Country and people, i doubt Putin stays awake at night worrying about who is the US President, the World doesn't revolve around the US even though they think it does.

Of course it does. They'd have weighed up whether the sitting US president would have done anything about their invasion or not. They judged that Biden wouldn't send troops, and he didn't. They might also have judged that Biden wouldn't send aid.

How they'd have reacted to Trump, we don't know.

 

[Deadstick]

Of course it does. They'd have weighed up whether the sitting US president would have done anything about their invasion or not. They judged that Biden wouldn't send troops, and he didn't. They might also have judged that Biden wouldn't send aid.

How they'd have reacted to Trump, we don't know.

I believe you are wrong because when it comes down to it there may not be too much difference between the Republicans and Democrats on foreign policy, we shall see when Trump takes office, but Trump may come up with what he calls a deal that is just another Minsk or Istanbul both of which double crossed Russia, if Putin settles for nothing less than total victory in Ukraine he is probably finished to be replaced by someone more hard line, after all the carnage the Russian people won't settle for anything less than total victory they don't want anymore frozen front lines.

 

[Deadstick]

Shouldn't have started, Biden should have sent US troops to the Ukraine before the war started, Putin would never have dared.

You are deluded if you think Russia would have tolerated US troops in Ukraine at that time dangerously deluded.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In Trumps view, Ukraine should have just surrendered when Putin asked and not put up a fight.

Now that Putin is in a stalemate with no way out, he wants Ukraine to just surrender everything with nothing in return……On Day One

 

[frigidweirdo]

I believe you are wrong because when it comes down to it there may not be too much difference between the Republicans and Democrats on foreign policy, we shall see when Trump takes office, but Trump may come up with what he calls a deal that is just another Minsk or Istanbul both of which double crossed Russia, if Putin settles for nothing less than total victory in Ukraine he is probably finished to be replaced by someone more hard line, after all the carnage the Russian people won't settle for anything less than total victory they don't want anymore frozen front lines.

Well, sometimes it's about perception, rather than foreign policy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You are deluded if you think Russia would have tolerated US troops in Ukraine at that time dangerously deluded.

It wouldn't have "tolerated" but it wasn't strong enough to do anything about it, other than bluff and make threats it couldn't carry out. Imagine how short the war would have been had they attack with US troops there.

 

[Ringo]

Another mockery of the monument “Motherland” in Kiev
Even on New Year's Eve, the proud and independent ukro could not restrain itself from licking under the tail of the overseas master.