E.U. No Longer Charmed by Obama

[ScreamingEagle]

Helle Dale, senior fellow for public diplomacy at the Heritage Foundation, said Mr. Obama's attitude toward Europe is also a reflection of his lack of a "European sensitivity and a coherent concept of the West." She said his decision to skip the Madrid summit reflects his "feeling that he is the first 'Pacific president,' as he himself has stated."

What the hell does Obama mean he is the first "Pacific president".....?

....or does he mean "pacifist"....?

 

[beowolfe]

After eight often testy years dealing with President George W. Bush, they thought Mr. Obama would change the world to their liking, but now realize that any American president will act in his country's interests first.

"We are in a period of managing down some unrealistic expectations about what the administration was going to do,"

Hmmmm....good stuff

A President who stands up for our interests first

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

 

[beowolfe]

Helle Dale, senior fellow for public diplomacy at the Heritage Foundation, said Mr. Obama's attitude toward Europe is also a reflection of his lack of a "European sensitivity and a coherent concept of the West." She said his decision to skip the Madrid summit reflects his "feeling that he is the first 'Pacific president,' as he himself has stated."

What the hell does Obama mean he is the first "Pacific president".....?

....or does he mean "pacifist"....?

God, does everything have to be explained to you guys? And Palin says we don't need a professor. LOL

 

[beowolfe]

After eight often testy years dealing with President George W. Bush, they thought Mr. Obama would change the world to their liking, but now realize that any American president will act in his country's interests first.

"We are in a period of managing down some unrealistic expectations about what the administration was going to do,"

Hmmmm....good stuff

A President who stands up for our interests first

How do you stand up for our interests while ignoring what we have to say?

I see you're still under the delusion that your side is the majority, huh.....

 

[Annie]

Helle Dale, senior fellow for public diplomacy at the Heritage Foundation, said Mr. Obama's attitude toward Europe is also a reflection of his lack of a "European sensitivity and a coherent concept of the West." She said his decision to skip the Madrid summit reflects his "feeling that he is the first 'Pacific president,' as he himself has stated."

What the hell does Obama mean he is the first "Pacific president".....?

....or does he mean "pacifist"....?

God, does everything have to be explained to you guys? And Palin says we don't need a professor. LOL

Nope, but he seems to. Both Reagan and Nixon were Californians. Last I checked, that was a Pacific state, no?

 

[beowolfe]

How do you stand up for our interests while ignoring what we have to say?

I think we have to say in in French.

I don't know why they put in the quote that Rightwinger especially likes, because it is not compatible with the thesis of the rest of the essay. I have to believe it was poorly edited or they left something out. Especially when it is followed by comments that it must be incomprehensible why George Bush made all the meetings. Obviously whether or not a President attends the meetings does not translate to standing up for a country's interests.

President Obama has a gazillion czars and most new jobs created that we can identify have been government jobs and most of those are under his direct control.

It looks like he would have signed on a good protocol officer amongst all that wouldn't you think?

Something tells me that you don't have a clue what a tsar is, do you? You can look it up if you like and then sit quietly as you realize how silly that comment was.

 

[beowolfe]

What the hell does Obama mean he is the first "Pacific president".....?

....or does he mean "pacifist"....?

God, does everything have to be explained to you guys? And Palin says we don't need a professor. LOL

Nope, but he seems to. Both Reagan and Nixon were Californians. Last I checked, that was a Pacific state, no?

Ah, 'pacific president' doesn't reference the fact that he is from a pacific state. Pacific president is a term he used to show the Japanese that he recognizes the rise of Asian nations and their growing economic might. If you look at the flip side, he's saying that he doesn't see himself being as 'euro-centric' as presidents in the past.

Is that a good thing? I don't know. I see pluses and minuses both ways.

 

[Xenophon]

Bingo. If they want to be heard, stop with the petty, childish name calling and attacks and start discussing policies.

The irony of you posting this is off the hook, your first thread here was an attack thread.

Sure, whatever you say. because you lack reading comprehension.

Only in your fantasy world Wiley E Coyote.

 

[Si modo]

Hmmmm....good stuff

A President who stands up for our interests first

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

Huh?

 

[Xenophon]

Hmmmm....good stuff

A President who stands up for our interests first

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

You think Bubba Clinton is a Cowboy?

He invented extrodinary rendition.

 

[Annie]

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

Huh?

I think he's referring to rendition, another Bush policy that Obama has kept up with.

 

[Si modo]

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

Huh?

I think he's referring to rendition, another Bush policy that Obama has kept up with.

Oh. Like Clinton?

Looks like we have a hat trick with the presidents in that matter.

 

[Annie]

Huh?

I think he's referring to rendition, another Bush policy that Obama has kept up with.

Oh. Like Clinton?

Looks like we have a hat trick with the presidents in that matter.

Indeed.

 

[beowolfe]

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

You think Bubba Clinton is a Cowboy?

He invented extrodinary rendition.

While the US has used legal rendition increasingly since the 1980s as a method for dealing with foreign defendants[citation needed], extraordinary rendition is a wholly extra-legal process that differs in its nature and usage as a tool in the US-led "war on terror".[14] Modern methods of rendition include a form where suspects are taken into US custody but delivered to a third-party state, often without ever being on US soil, and without involving the rendering country's /termed "extraordinary rendition".[citation needed] The CIA was granted permission to use rendition in a presidential directive signed by US President Bill Clinton in 1995.[15]

Critics have accused the CIA of rendering suspects to other countries in order to avoid US laws mandating due process and prohibiting torture, even though many of those countries have, like the US, signed or ratified the United Nations Convention Against Torture.[16] Critics have also called this practice "torture flights".[17] Defenders of the practice argue that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects.[18][19]

In a number of cases, suspects to whom the procedure is believed to have been applied later were found to be innocent.[20] In the cases of Khalid El-Masri and Maher Arar, the practice of extraordinary rendition appears to have been applied to innocent civilians, and the CIA has reportedly launched an investigation into such cases (which it refers to as "erroneous rendition").

The first well-known rendition case involved the Achille Lauro hijackers in 1985: while in international air space they were forced by United States Navy fighter planes to land at the Naval Air Station Sigonella, an Italian military base in Sicily used by the US navy and NATO, in an attempt to place them within judicial reach of United States government representatives for transport to and trial in the United States.[21]

[edit] 20th century
In September 1987, during the Reagan administration, the United States executed an extraordinary rendition, codenamed Goldenrod, in a joint FBI-CIA operation. Fawaz Yunis, who was wanted in the U.S. courts for his role in the hijacking of a Jordanian airliner that had American citizens onboard, was lured onto a boat off the coast of Cyprus and taken to international waters, where he was arrested.

"The Reagan administration did not undertake this kidnapping lightly. Then-FBI Director William Webster had opposed an earlier bid to snatch Yunis, arguing that the United States should not adopt the tactics of Israel, which had abducted Adolf Eichmann on a residential street in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1960... In 1984 and 1986, during a wave of terrorist attacks, Congress passed laws making air piracy and attacks on Americans abroad federal crimes. Ronald Reagan added teeth to these laws by signing a secret covert-action directive in 1986 that authorized the CIA to kidnap, anywhere abroad, foreigners wanted for terrorism. A new word entered the dictionary of U.S. foreign relations: rendition."[

 

[Si modo]

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

You think Bubba Clinton is a Cowboy?

He invented extrodinary rendition.

While the US has used legal rendition increasingly since the 1980s as a method for dealing with foreign defendants[citation needed], extraordinary rendition is a wholly extra-legal process that differs in its nature and usage as a tool in the US-led "war on terror".[14] Modern methods of rendition include a form where suspects are taken into US custody but delivered to a third-party state, often without ever being on US soil, and without involving the rendering country's /termed "extraordinary rendition".[citation needed] The CIA was granted permission to use rendition in a presidential directive signed by US President Bill Clinton in 1995.[15]

Critics have accused the CIA of rendering suspects to other countries in order to avoid US laws mandating due process and prohibiting torture, even though many of those countries have, like the US, signed or ratified the United Nations Convention Against Torture.[16] Critics have also called this practice "torture flights".[17] Defenders of the practice argue that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects.[18][19]

In a number of cases, suspects to whom the procedure is believed to have been applied later were found to be innocent.[20] In the cases of Khalid El-Masri and Maher Arar, the practice of extraordinary rendition appears to have been applied to innocent civilians, and the CIA has reportedly launched an investigation into such cases (which it refers to as "erroneous rendition").

The first well-known rendition case involved the Achille Lauro hijackers in 1985: while in international air space they were forced by United States Navy fighter planes to land at the Naval Air Station Sigonella, an Italian military base in Sicily used by the US navy and NATO, in an attempt to place them within judicial reach of United States government representatives for transport to and trial in the United States.[21]

[edit] 20th century
In September 1987, during the Reagan administration, the United States executed an extraordinary rendition, codenamed Goldenrod, in a joint FBI-CIA operation. Fawaz Yunis, who was wanted in the U.S. courts for his role in the hijacking of a Jordanian airliner that had American citizens onboard, was lured onto a boat off the coast of Cyprus and taken to international waters, where he was arrested.

"The Reagan administration did not undertake this kidnapping lightly. Then-FBI Director William Webster had opposed an earlier bid to snatch Yunis, arguing that the United States should not adopt the tactics of Israel, which had abducted Adolf Eichmann on a residential street in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1960... In 1984 and 1986, during a wave of terrorist attacks, Congress passed laws making air piracy and attacks on Americans abroad federal crimes. Ronald Reagan added teeth to these laws by signing a secret covert-action directive in 1986 that authorized the CIA to kidnap, anywhere abroad, foreigners wanted for terrorism. A new word entered the dictionary of U.S. foreign relations: rendition."[

Link? Or is plagiarism cool with you?

 

[beowolfe]

That's so "cowboy" like isn't it ?

Actually, it's only 'cowboy' when you ask them to do things outside the law, like snatching innocent people in the middle of the night an wisking them off to other countries to be tortured.

You think Bubba Clinton is a Cowboy?

He invented extrodinary rendition.

In that instance, yes, he was being a cowboy. However, no one in modern history has been as much of a cowboy as Dubya. He created a cottage industry he used ERs so much.

 

[beowolfe]

You think Bubba Clinton is a Cowboy?

He invented extrodinary rendition.

While the US has used legal rendition increasingly since the 1980s as a method for dealing with foreign defendants[citation needed], extraordinary rendition is a wholly extra-legal process that differs in its nature and usage as a tool in the US-led "war on terror".[14] Modern methods of rendition include a form where suspects are taken into US custody but delivered to a third-party state, often without ever being on US soil, and without involving the rendering country's /termed "extraordinary rendition".[citation needed] The CIA was granted permission to use rendition in a presidential directive signed by US President Bill Clinton in 1995.[15]

Critics have accused the CIA of rendering suspects to other countries in order to avoid US laws mandating due process and prohibiting torture, even though many of those countries have, like the US, signed or ratified the United Nations Convention Against Torture.[16] Critics have also called this practice "torture flights".[17] Defenders of the practice argue that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects.[18][19]

In a number of cases, suspects to whom the procedure is believed to have been applied later were found to be innocent.[20] In the cases of Khalid El-Masri and Maher Arar, the practice of extraordinary rendition appears to have been applied to innocent civilians, and the CIA has reportedly launched an investigation into such cases (which it refers to as "erroneous rendition").

The first well-known rendition case involved the Achille Lauro hijackers in 1985: while in international air space they were forced by United States Navy fighter planes to land at the Naval Air Station Sigonella, an Italian military base in Sicily used by the US navy and NATO, in an attempt to place them within judicial reach of United States government representatives for transport to and trial in the United States.[21]

[edit] 20th century
In September 1987, during the Reagan administration, the United States executed an extraordinary rendition, codenamed Goldenrod, in a joint FBI-CIA operation. Fawaz Yunis, who was wanted in the U.S. courts for his role in the hijacking of a Jordanian airliner that had American citizens onboard, was lured onto a boat off the coast of Cyprus and taken to international waters, where he was arrested.

"The Reagan administration did not undertake this kidnapping lightly. Then-FBI Director William Webster had opposed an earlier bid to snatch Yunis, arguing that the United States should not adopt the tactics of Israel, which had abducted Adolf Eichmann on a residential street in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1960... In 1984 and 1986, during a wave of terrorist attacks, Congress passed laws making air piracy and attacks on Americans abroad federal crimes. Ronald Reagan added teeth to these laws by signing a secret covert-action directive in 1986 that authorized the CIA to kidnap, anywhere abroad, foreigners wanted for terrorism. A new word entered the dictionary of U.S. foreign relations: rendition."[

Link? Or is plagiarism cool with you?

Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[beowolfe]

I think he's referring to rendition, another Bush policy that Obama has kept up with.

Oh. Like Clinton?

Looks like we have a hat trick with the presidents in that matter.

Indeed.

I'll bet neither of you even remember what you're responding to.

 

[Annie]

Oh. Like Clinton?

Looks like we have a hat trick with the presidents in that matter.

Indeed.

I'll bet neither of you even remember what you're responding to.

Rendition.