FBI looking for next Lead Matching technology.

[SavannahMann]

Lead Matching was a technique the FBI swore by for decades. It was the scientific approach that lead from lots of bullets, in other words, one box of bullets would have roughly the same lead mix in each bullet. So the FBI could match the bullet found at a crime scene with the unfired cartridges in possession of the suspect. When other scientific laboratories and metallurgists asked how the FBI managed to match the bullets they were told that only the FBI had the proper facilities, and experience, to conduct this test. In other words, nobody could challenge the results, because the FBI was awesome!

Well those other scientists started to examine the bullets, and found that every bullet no matter who made it, was just about identical. The Science Community started to express doubts about this test. Now it is time for the FBI to put up or shut up right? Nope. It was time for the FBI to double down explaining that they knew what they were doing. That lasted a year, and then quietly the decades old test, with countless convictions because of it, was quietly withdrawn. A year later, the FBI admitted that the science behind this was questionable, at best.

Enter the next Lead Matching technology. This time it is obliterated fingerprints. We all have heard that there are times when even the famed FBI lab can’t match fingerprints. Scarring to the fingers, or smudges that make the print unreadable. Well have no fear. The FBI is asking for an Artifical Intelligence program that will now make those fingerprints readable. But obviously only by their own special program, using a test that is unrepeatable, and can not be questioned without the FBI explaining how awesome they are again.

FBI Looking For Tech to Foil Fingerprint Obliteration

The FBI hates to let people know how their tech works. Carnivore the Email reading computer was top secret while it read your messages. Stingray? You shall not know how it works, you have to take their word for it that the system is totally awesome and you can’t challenge the results, because it is awesome. Just like the Lead Matching. Now it will be Fingerprint AI systems. You won’t be able to challenge the results, because nobody can question the FBI.

I wouldn’t trust the FBI if they said Night was Dark and day was light. If you can’t tell me what you did, and how you did it, then I am going to view it as a magic show with slight of hand and the intent to deceive the viewers, or in this case, the public.

 

[harmonica]

.....but how often do they have a suspect and the weapon ?
..as stated in another thread, many murders go unsolved [ Chicago ie ]
..why is this?
..or what scenarios would this be used for?

 

[Hellokitty]

Comey later told Congress that “thanks to the wizardry of our technology,” the FBI was able to eliminate the vast majority of messages as “duplicates” of emails they’d previously seen. Tireless agents, he claimed, then worked “night after night after night” to scrutinize the remaining material.

Despite Comey Claim, FBI Didn't Examine Vast Bulk Of Weiner Emails

 

[night_son]

Lead Matching was a technique the FBI swore by for decades. It was the scientific approach that lead from lots of bullets, in other words, one box of bullets would have roughly the same lead mix in each bullet. So the FBI could match the bullet found at a crime scene with the unfired cartridges in possession of the suspect. When other scientific laboratories and metallurgists asked how the FBI managed to match the bullets they were told that only the FBI had the proper facilities, and experience, to conduct this test. In other words, nobody could challenge the results, because the FBI was awesome!

Well those other scientists started to examine the bullets, and found that every bullet no matter who made it, was just about identical. The Science Community started to express doubts about this test. Now it is time for the FBI to put up or shut up right? Nope. It was time for the FBI to double down explaining that they knew what they were doing. That lasted a year, and then quietly the decades old test, with countless convictions because of it, was quietly withdrawn. A year later, the FBI admitted that the science behind this was questionable, at best.

Enter the next Lead Matching technology. This time it is obliterated fingerprints. We all have heard that there are times when even the famed FBI lab can’t match fingerprints. Scarring to the fingers, or smudges that make the print unreadable. Well have no fear. The FBI is asking for an Artifical Intelligence program that will now make those fingerprints readable. But obviously only by their own special program, using a test that is unrepeatable, and can not be questioned without the FBI explaining how awesome they are again.

FBI Looking For Tech to Foil Fingerprint Obliteration

The FBI hates to let people know how their tech works. Carnivore the Email reading computer was top secret while it read your messages. Stingray? You shall not know how it works, you have to take their word for it that the system is totally awesome and you can’t challenge the results, because it is awesome. Just like the Lead Matching. Now it will be Fingerprint AI systems. You won’t be able to challenge the results, because nobody can question the FBI.

I wouldn’t trust the FBI if they said Night was Dark and day was light. If you can’t tell me what you did, and how you did it, then I am going to view it as a magic show with slight of hand and the intent to deceive the viewers, or in this case, the public.

Yes, this was the old tried and true bullet "batch making" matching technology--based on a scientific principal/method not unlike that used to investigate paper currency serial numbers in bank robberies. I will agree that any "real justice" which is reliant on the bug free operation software is somewhat terrifying in that the programmer's ego will inevitably enter the picture, and debugging programs dependent upon up to millions of lines of code is a science unto itself, with external debugging programs also unable to be proofed from bugs, glitches, exceptions and human error. Welcome to 21st century law enforcement.