Zone1 Feasibility of US-Canada Unification?

[Dragonlady]

That is why in last 40 Years 1/8th of the Populace of Canada moved to the US

No they have not. You haven't even provide a link that makes any such claim. Since 1980, the population of Canada went from 24.5 million to 41.5 million. That's a 70% increase.

Half of the people moving from Canada to the USA, are Americans who are moving back to the US. More than half of the rest of the Canadians moving to the USA, are doing so because they married Americans. There's a lot of that going on.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is no pretending that an invasion on Canada by American troops will not end in blood.

The American armed forces will not support Trump.

 

[Dante]

Given that Canada is one of the top 5 nations in the world to live in and the USA doesn't even make the top 20, we'd have to be out of our minds to want to amalgamate with the fucked up mess that is the USA today.

The difference being that your economy is structured to benefit the wealthy, and impoverish the working and middle class, and our economy is structured to benefit the working and middle class.

The American economy has always relied upon a large pool of disenfranchised cheap labour, who will never have full participation in your democracy. Initially it was the slaves, then the "guest workers", and now, it's illegal immigrants.

Our economy has been built on a fair deal and opportunity for all Canadians. Our average incomes are similar, but working Canadians don't have to pay out thousands of dollars every year in for health insurance or co-pays.

The money in our schools is spent in the classrooms, on a non-politicized education system which is top of the world.

Canada of today was started by former English/British colonists in North America who stayed loyal. They fought the Parliament and ended up with a peaceful, nonviolent transition from being a colony.

 

[Dante]

No they have not. You haven't even provide a link that makes any such claim. Since 1980, the population of Canada went from 24.5 million to 41.5 million. That's a 70% increase.

Half of the people moving from Canada to the USA, are Americans who are moving back to the US. More than half of the rest of the Canadians moving to the USA, are doing so because they married Americans. There's a lot of that going on.

you keep arguing with that member and you may end up in a treatment center. Why? The circular arguments can initiate a vertigo type illness

 

[Dragonlady]

you keep arguing with that member and you may end up in a treatment center. Why? The circular arguments can initiate a vertigo type illness

I've barely responded to this poster, and had to look to see who it was.

These are NOT circular arguments. The Cult keeps repeating lies about Canada, and I keep correcting the lies.

How is this a problem for you????

 

[Dante]

I've barely responded to this poster, and had to look to see who it was.

These are NOT circular arguments. The Cult keeps repeating lies about Canada, and I keep correcting the lies.

How is this a problem for you????

Canada of today was started by former English/British colonists in North America who stayed loyal. They fought the Parliament and ended up with a peaceful, nonviolent transition from being a colony.

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[Failzero]

you keep arguing with that member and you may end up in a treatment center. Why? The circular arguments can initiate a vertigo type illness

Wayne Gretzky and hundreds moved to America for Success in Sports & Hollywood & Music / Entertainment and then there was a flood of Canadiens and average folks from Canada , at one point due to immigration after WW2 there were almost as many People from Canada or people who first immigrated to Canada who had resettled in America as there were people ( non Native North American / Inuit ) in Canada

 

[Captain Caveman]

I am posting this is the Clean Debate Zone in order to avoid irrelevant emotional and illogical responses. I hope the mods will help out.

1. Economic Union. It seems that Canada's economy is so intertwined with the US economy that maintaining separate rules for each country is an unnecessary and counterproductive distinction.

2. Military Union. It seems that maintaining separate military establishments is inefficient and inequitable. By necessity, the US is forced to provide the same level of defense for Canada that it provides for its own States.

3. Political Union. It seems that Canada could retain its identity and customs under the US State/Federal system, particularly if Constitutional Amendment addressed this issue.

4. Other Issues. The idea of Canada becoming the largest state of the USA might create some unintended political consequences. With over 40 million residents, it would have an outsized influence on federal elections. In addition, Quebec would probably be opposed to any union that did not preserve the special privileges it now enjoys from the rest of Canada. (On the other hand, an isolated Quebec would quickly descend into third-world status.)

One possible scenario in which unification might become feasible would be for Canada to be represented by two or more States. The Province of Ontario has about 15 million people, and Quebec has about 9 million, so let's start with them as States. The Maritime Provinces have about 2.5 million, so they could decide to become part of Quebec, Maine and/or Greenland. On the West Coast, British Columbia could join up with Washington, Alaska or Hawaii. That leaves the Prairie Provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are the heartland of Canada and could join up with their sister States across their southern borders. The Northern Territories could associate with Greenland, creating a solid wall of defense for North America.

I know this sounds outlandish, but maybe we could join in this intellectual exercise and leave our emotional outbursts at the door.

Canada said no. Trump et. al. just simply need to move on rather than carry on the charade. It's getting embarrassing. Unfortunately, the US is not attractive to the vast majority of countries, it's going bust and it's unreliable.

 

[Failzero]

Canada said no. Trump et. al. just simply need to move on rather than carry on the charade. It's getting embarrassing. Unfortunately, the US is not attractive to the vast majority of countries, it's going bust and it's unreliable.

Trump has 3 + Years for The People of Canada to Eschew Marxism and choose a new path

 

[Captain Caveman]

Trump has 3 + Years for The People of Canada to Eschew Marxism and choose a new path

Thank you for highlighting the embarrassment.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I doubt Canada is overly concerned with what Trump, Failzero, and Captain Caveman think.