Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies

[MindWars]

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

What you think about gender has nothing at all to do with the discussion I've been having with MindWars. That is about whether transplanting a uterus into a transgendered woman (or male wanna-be woman, if you prefer) will lead to new diseases, and about whether the synthetic cell brought up earlier constitutes a disease.

While I won't discount the possibility such a transplant might cause a new disease, it seems unlikely that such a disease would affect anyone other than those who undergo the procedure. I also don't see how a synthetic cell is a perfect example of a disease, as was claimed.

You are still arguing with a straw man. I haven't claimed that a transgender person is a man or a woman. I haven't given an opinion on whether transgendered people should be supported and encouraged or not, nor to what degree if I believe in such support.

As far as relishing the idea of human experimentation, when it is by the consent of an adult, to some extent I certainly do. For example, uterus transplants have so far been done to allow women who were born without a uterus, or whose uterus is so damaged they are infertile, to have a child. That sort of "human experimentation" seems wonderful to me.

As far as your discussion with MindWars, I will bow out.
The rest is not a straw man argument but a discussion best left for another time, place, and thread.
I cede the field...

There just comes a time when one realizes no matter what is put out there, it ends up in the same place.

But when it is obvious that questions aren't really questions , but tactics used to turn one into a gopher all the while never believing the information anyway.

It is just easier to ignore and let them find the information themselves either they will or they won't.

That's why at certain points ignoring what ever they flap out is so much easier LOL.

Not just with this person but I mean in general. Most of us know who they all are already bhahaha.

 

[Montrovant]

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

What you think about gender has nothing at all to do with the discussion I've been having with MindWars. That is about whether transplanting a uterus into a transgendered woman (or male wanna-be woman, if you prefer) will lead to new diseases, and about whether the synthetic cell brought up earlier constitutes a disease.

While I won't discount the possibility such a transplant might cause a new disease, it seems unlikely that such a disease would affect anyone other than those who undergo the procedure. I also don't see how a synthetic cell is a perfect example of a disease, as was claimed.

You are still arguing with a straw man. I haven't claimed that a transgender person is a man or a woman. I haven't given an opinion on whether transgendered people should be supported and encouraged or not, nor to what degree if I believe in such support.

As far as relishing the idea of human experimentation, when it is by the consent of an adult, to some extent I certainly do. For example, uterus transplants have so far been done to allow women who were born without a uterus, or whose uterus is so damaged they are infertile, to have a child. That sort of "human experimentation" seems wonderful to me.

As far as your discussion with MindWars, I will bow out.
The rest is not a straw man argument but a discussion best left for another time, place, and thread.
I cede the field...

I don't mind the discussion, I just don't know why you brought it up with me here, since I hadn't said anything about those things you brought up. However, you're probably right that this thread isn't the best place. Maybe we'll see each other in another thread more specifically about the morality or ethics of transgenderism.

 

[Montrovant]

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

What you think about gender has nothing at all to do with the discussion I've been having with MindWars. That is about whether transplanting a uterus into a transgendered woman (or male wanna-be woman, if you prefer) will lead to new diseases, and about whether the synthetic cell brought up earlier constitutes a disease.

While I won't discount the possibility such a transplant might cause a new disease, it seems unlikely that such a disease would affect anyone other than those who undergo the procedure. I also don't see how a synthetic cell is a perfect example of a disease, as was claimed.

You are still arguing with a straw man. I haven't claimed that a transgender person is a man or a woman. I haven't given an opinion on whether transgendered people should be supported and encouraged or not, nor to what degree if I believe in such support.

As far as relishing the idea of human experimentation, when it is by the consent of an adult, to some extent I certainly do. For example, uterus transplants have so far been done to allow women who were born without a uterus, or whose uterus is so damaged they are infertile, to have a child. That sort of "human experimentation" seems wonderful to me.

As far as your discussion with MindWars, I will bow out.
The rest is not a straw man argument but a discussion best left for another time, place, and thread.
I cede the field...

There just comes a time when one realizes no matter what is put out there, it ends up in the same place.

But when it is obvious that questions aren't really questions , but tactics used to turn one into a gopher all the while never believing the information anyway.

It is just easier to ignore and let them find the information themselves either they will or they won't.

That's why at certain points ignoring what ever they flap out is so much easier LOL.

Not just with this person but I mean in general. Most of us know who they all are already bhahaha.

It's always easier to claim something won't be believed than to actually provide the information.

Feel free to actually discuss how or why the potential transplant of a uterus into a transgendered person will cause "so many disease [sic] and issues that these nut job scientist [sic] aren't going to tell you about." Feel free to explain how the synthetic cell you brought up is the "perfect example" of a disease such a procedure might cause. Or, just keep making claims while providing no actual evidence of the claims.