Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies

[MindWars]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

 

[MindWars]

“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter - The American Revenant

 

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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter - The American Revenant

Wow. I had no idea how utterly obsessed Steve Bannon is with sex and genitalia. Holy crap.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

 

[Montrovant]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why don't they stick a test tube up their ass and have at it

 

[gallantwarrior]

There appears no limit to the perversity of this segment of society. Sorry, fellahs, you ARE NOT, and NEVER WILL BE a woman. Even worse when these freaks demand that normal people pay for their delusional self mutilation. Worse yet, when these modern-day Mengeles are sanctioned and supported by government and public funding.

And this from the same folks who compare conservatives with Nazis. Really?

Hack-n-slash will never, ever, in any true way make these poor, mentally ill men (boys) into women.

 

[MindWars]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

 

[MindWars]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

 

[Montrovant]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

 

[Montrovant]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

 

[MindWars]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

 

[Montrovant]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

1. You still are not showing that the cell created by Venter and scientists is a disease.
2. The "synthetic life" created by those scientists is completely unrelated to the possibility of a uterus transplant into a transgendered person.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

 

[MindWars]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

1. You still are not showing that the cell created by Venter and scientists is a disease.
2. The "synthetic life" created by those scientists is completely unrelated to the possibility of a uterus transplant into a transgendered person.

No matter what I tell you, what I show you won't be good enough for you so as I said research it yourself and maybe you can find what you want to see that's what works for those uninformed.

 

[Montrovant]

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

Here is a perfect example:

Dr David King, of the Human Genetics Alert watchdog, said: 'What is really dangerous is these scientists' ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as 'playing God'.

'Scientists' understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have learned to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.'

Professor Julian Savulescu, an Oxford University ethicist, said: 'Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

Artificial life created by Craig Venter - but could it wipe out humanity? | Daily Mail Online

That is not an example of a disease.

It's too complicated for me to give you all the details of why or how come. Just research it yourself.

.....It is important to recognize that many of these hazards are not eliminated if there is no germline transmission. The biology of the developing individual will still be profoundly altered by the manipulation on his/her genes at an early stage. Laboratory experience shows that miscalculations in where genes are incorporated into the chromosomes can lead to extensive perturbation of development. The disruption of a normal gene by insertion of foreign DNA in a mouse caused lack of eye development, lack of development of the semicircular canals of the inner ear, and anomalies of the olfactory epithelium, the tissue that mediates the sense of smell.

.....Cloning is another example of developmental modification, with hazards that extend beyond any potential effect on the germline. Intact eggs and sperm are the components that evolution has yielded to produce a new individual. The fact that an enucleated egg and the nucleus of a somatic cell can cooperate to give rise to something that looks and acts like the animal they were derived from is almost fortuitous. DNA is chemically modified during the normal developmental process. Hence, the genes that the somatic cell nucleus is providing to the novel assemblage are aberrant starting materials for initiating the development of a new embryo. The only reason anyone would think that a somatic nucleus is equivalent to a zygotic nucleus is a simplistic genetic reductionism that imagines that the nucleus equals its DNA, and the only function of DNA is exerted via its sequence of bases. Both these propositions are incorrect.


THE HAZARDS OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENTAL GENE MODIFICATION

1. You still are not showing that the cell created by Venter and scientists is a disease.
2. The "synthetic life" created by those scientists is completely unrelated to the possibility of a uterus transplant into a transgendered person.

No matter what I tell you, what I show you won't be good enough for you so as I said research it yourself and maybe you can find what you want to see that's what works for those uninformed.

You have yet to even attempt to show that the synthetic cell is a disease.

You have yet to show any connection between the possibility of a uterus transplant into a transgendered person and the synthetic cell.

It's certainly possible the synthetic cell might cause disease......but you haven't even attempted to show that.

The only reason what you tell me won't be good enough is because what you are telling me is not related to your claims. You make a claim, then try to back it up with something completely unrelated. If I told you that a uterus transplant causes acidosis, and then started talking about sheep cloning, the problem wouldn't be you not believing me, the problem would be that the one has nothing to do with the other.

A uterus transplant is not synthetic life.

A synthetic cell is not a disease (although it may cause a disease).

You have not explained how the synthetic cell is related to a uterus transplant.

You have not indicated how a uterus transplant into a transgendered person will cause disease.

 

[Montrovant]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Transgender women who were born male should be given womb transplants so that they can have children, leading NHS doctors have told The Mail on Sunday. And fertility experts say taxpayers should fund such transplants for those who identify as women, on the basis of ‘equality enshrined in law’. Leading the debate on the controversial procedure is medical ethics lawyer Dr Amel Alghrani, who is pressing for a talks on whether womb transplants for trans-

DAYS OF LOT: Fertility doctors making a way for transgender women born as boys to have babies
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“Gender Identity” Concept Came From A Pedophile and Human Experimenter


This is beyond wrong, it is beyond UN-ETHICAL, and is going to cause so many disease and issues that these nut job scientist aren't going to tell you about. As they will play stupid for the next twenty years before it's openly admitted all it's caused.

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

 

[Montrovant]

What diseases would it cause?

From the little I've read about the possibility, it would require a more complex gender reassignment surgery, because of the need to widen the pelvis.

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

What you think about gender has nothing at all to do with the discussion I've been having with MindWars. That is about whether transplanting a uterus into a transgendered woman (or male wanna-be woman, if you prefer) will lead to new diseases, and about whether the synthetic cell brought up earlier constitutes a disease.

While I won't discount the possibility such a transplant might cause a new disease, it seems unlikely that such a disease would affect anyone other than those who undergo the procedure. I also don't see how a synthetic cell is a perfect example of a disease, as was claimed.

You are still arguing with a straw man. I haven't claimed that a transgender person is a man or a woman. I haven't given an opinion on whether transgendered people should be supported and encouraged or not, nor to what degree if I believe in such support.

As far as relishing the idea of human experimentation, when it is by the consent of an adult, to some extent I certainly do. For example, uterus transplants have so far been done to allow women who were born without a uterus, or whose uterus is so damaged they are infertile, to have a child. That sort of "human experimentation" seems wonderful to me.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You would have to understand the genetics of biological evolutions, etc. There are medical documents that state to put it in easy terms tampering with human DNA can cause many diseases to erupt so to speak.

A transplant is not tampering with DNA.

What you fail to recognize (and acknowledge) is the FACT that the female body is completely geared to reproduction by producing offspring through gestation. Your wanna-be, regardless of all chemical and surgical modifications, is not. What does society do with all the misbegotten, abortive products of tampering with a system that already works? Other than cosmetic measures, your wanna-be he-shes will never be "women". But scientists love the opportunity to experiment, don't they? Too bad delusional mental defectives like these give them something other than mice and monkeys to experiment on.

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about a transgendered person with a uterus transplant being a woman. You seem to be arguing with a straw man.

Whether a transgendered person is considered a woman or not has nothing to do with what diseases might arise from the uterus transplant discussed in the OP, nor does it make a transplant somehow a matter of tampering with DNA.

First: I personally will not ever consider a "transgendered male" (male wanna-be woman) can ever be a woman, despite all chemical and surgical manipulation. I consider it the highest form of abuse to entertain and foster the belief that someone born one gender can somehow magically become the other. What other reason would any male consider a uterus transplant other than to pretend, and further that pretense through extreme measures, that he is a "woman".

Second: transplant of organs, surgical cosmetic and chemical alteration, etc, do not change the DNA of the individual who chooses to undergo these experiments. He remains a HE, and she remains a SHE. Forensic inspection of their relative remains would still conclude that the male and female were nothing other than what they were born to be, so the individual will remain unchanged in the most structurally fundamental way as well.
It is no surprise to me that the suicide rate among people of this nature is abnormally high. In the end, despite all efforts, they will never change what they were born to be. Add that to the emotional and psychological instability expressed by their desire to become what they are not, and the support and encouragement of the "scientific", medical, and sociological communities that tell them they are somehow normal...that is a recipe for personal disaster.
I would rather those people and institutions telling these confused individuals do a better job of helping them understand their true nature, not nurture the individual's delusions.

What diseases or other abnormal conditions that might arise from the scientific experimentation being committed on these poor, sick, delusional persons remains to be discovered...discovered at the price of human lives. Do you relish the idea of human experimentation?

What you think about gender has nothing at all to do with the discussion I've been having with MindWars. That is about whether transplanting a uterus into a transgendered woman (or male wanna-be woman, if you prefer) will lead to new diseases, and about whether the synthetic cell brought up earlier constitutes a disease.

While I won't discount the possibility such a transplant might cause a new disease, it seems unlikely that such a disease would affect anyone other than those who undergo the procedure. I also don't see how a synthetic cell is a perfect example of a disease, as was claimed.

You are still arguing with a straw man. I haven't claimed that a transgender person is a man or a woman. I haven't given an opinion on whether transgendered people should be supported and encouraged or not, nor to what degree if I believe in such support.

As far as relishing the idea of human experimentation, when it is by the consent of an adult, to some extent I certainly do. For example, uterus transplants have so far been done to allow women who were born without a uterus, or whose uterus is so damaged they are infertile, to have a child. That sort of "human experimentation" seems wonderful to me.

As far as your discussion with MindWars, I will bow out.
The rest is not a straw man argument but a discussion best left for another time, place, and thread.
I cede the field...