First new settlement for 20 years?

[Humanity]

Is this not a new settlement construction?

A couple of links in relation to the Trump administrations views of settlements....

Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Netanyahu's honeymoon with Trump reaches abrupt end - CNNPolitics.com

Amona is a special case to deal with Israelis who were dispossessed by a activist High Court, but the agreement between Trump and Netanyahu is that there is no limit on new construction within existing communities but the establishment of new communities will be on hold while Trump tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations. The US is now only interested in the Palestinians in the context of trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab states.

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

 

[Humanity]

Amona is a special case to deal with Israelis who were dispossessed by a activist High Court, but the agreement between Trump and Netanyahu is that there is no limit on new construction within existing communities but the establishment of new communities will be on hold while Trump tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations. The US is now only interested in the Palestinians in the context of trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab states.

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Are you daft? What was stupid about it?

That's a question no honest, intelligent person would ask.

You just said that Netanyahu and Trump have come to an agreement that the Israelis can build within existing settlements, but they cannot build new ones. Humanity posted a link about Netanyahu authorizing a new settlement. He asked why would Netanyahu do that if this is not part of the new agreement between Israel and the U.S. You said this was a stupid question. He asked why. Now take it up from there...

Jeeze... If brains were dynamite he wouldn't have enough to blow his nose!

I think it a fair question... Really cannot see why there is no direct answer to a direct question.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Amona is a special case to deal with Israelis who were dispossessed by a activist High Court, but the agreement between Trump and Netanyahu is that there is no limit on new construction within existing communities but the establishment of new communities will be on hold while Trump tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations. The US is now only interested in the Palestinians in the context of trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab states.

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Are you daft? What was stupid about it?

That's a question no honest, intelligent person would ask.

You just said that Netanyahu and Trump have come to an agreement that the Israelis can build within existing settlements, but they cannot build new ones. Humanity posted a link about Netanyahu authorizing a new settlement. He asked why would Netanyahu do that if this is not part of the new agreement between Israel and the U.S. You said this was a stupid question. He asked why. Now take it up from there...

I explained in my previous post that this new community is provide a home for the residents of Amona who were dispossessed by an activist High Court. Th WH made an explicit statement that explained this is why it is not objecting to this new community but has requested Israel not authorize anymore new communities while the Trump administration tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations.

There are three messages here.

1. The fact that Trump doesn't object to any new construction within existing communities tells us he support Israel keeping all of its communities in Judea and Samaria if there is a final status agreement.

2. The fact that he is only asking Israel not to build new communities while he is trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations means he has no objections, per se, to new communities in Judea and Samaria, but wants a period of relative quiet in this regard while he is negotiating with the Arab nations.

3. The fact that he is only discussing the disputes between Israel and the Palestinians in the context of a regional peace with the Arab nations means that a final status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians is no longer a separate agenda item for the US.

 

[louie888]

toomuchtime_

Is it new?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Amona is a special case to deal with Israelis who were dispossessed by a activist High Court, but the agreement between Trump and Netanyahu is that there is no limit on new construction within existing communities but the establishment of new communities will be on hold while Trump tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations. The US is now only interested in the Palestinians in the context of trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab states.

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

 

[montelatici]

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

There is always an excuse. It's the Jewish mentality.

 

[toomuchtime_]

toomuchtime_

Is it new?

Yes and no. It is a replacement for a community the High Court unfairly ordered demolished so in that sense it is a correction of an injustice and therefore now new, but since new buildings will be going up, in that sense it is new.

 

[louie888]

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

Lots of BS, but toomuchtime_,

Is it new?

 

[toomuchtime_]

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

There is always an excuse. It's the Jewish mentality.

You only say that because of your racist mentality.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

Lots of BS, but toomuchtime_,

Is it new?

Asked and answered, dimwit.

 

[montelatici]

Oh come, come....

There are ONLY ever stupid answers, NEVER stupid questions! And your's was a stupid reply, not even a stupid answer!

And, no, you didn't answer the question I asked... So, we can assume that, indeed, this is a new settlement... Which kind of blows your 'argument' away completely...

It's incredible how easy some people find it to NOT answer a direct question yet still believe they have!

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

There is always an excuse. It's the Jewish mentality.

You only say that because of your racist mentality.

No, because there is always an excuse for whatever harm Israel does.

And, when your buddies bring up the Palestinian mentality it isn't racist, you will have an excuse for that too. LOL

 

[toomuchtime_]

You're a legend in your own mind, but obviously too stupid to understand what has transpired between Trump and Netanyahu.

How about we just deal with this short interchange that we have had....

You stated that new settlements were not allowed under the 'agreement' between Trump and Netanyahu... And that expanding existing settlements had been agreed....

I asked if this is a new settlement or not...

You then repeat your first post...

Then you tell me it's a stupid question?!?!?!

Why are not able to answer a very simple yes/no question???

Is the proposed settlement new or not?

YES?
NO?

You tell me Einstein!

I answered this question is my first post, and I am confident you are not competent to understand any explanation, but if anyone else is following this exchange, I will answer it again for them. This is and isn't a new community. Netanyahu promised to build a new community for the residents of Amona who suffered a miscarriage of justice from the High Court before the negotiations between the US and Israel began and Trump is respecting Netanyahu's promise to his people by not objecting to this one new community but has asked no more new communities be built while he is trying to negotiate a regional peace plan between Israel and the Arab nations.

There is always an excuse. It's the Jewish mentality.

You only say that because of your racist mentality.

No, because there is always an excuse for whatever harm Israel does.

And, when your buddies bring up the Palestinian mentality it isn't racist, you will have an excuse for that too. LOL

In other words, you are saying because you believe some other posters, whom you imagine to be Jewish, also seem racist it is ok for you to be racist, but how can some one who clearly hates Jews as passionately as you do also set Jews up as your standard of behavior?

 

[Humanity]

Ok, look you didn't answer the question...

Is this not a new settlement?

It is a stupid question, but I answered it anyway. Perhaps someday you might try asking an intelligent question.

Are you daft? What was stupid about it?

That's a question no honest, intelligent person would ask.

You just said that Netanyahu and Trump have come to an agreement that the Israelis can build within existing settlements, but they cannot build new ones. Humanity posted a link about Netanyahu authorizing a new settlement. He asked why would Netanyahu do that if this is not part of the new agreement between Israel and the U.S. You said this was a stupid question. He asked why. Now take it up from there...

I explained in my previous post that this new community is provide a home for the residents of Amona who were dispossessed by an activist High Court. Th WH made an explicit statement that explained this is why it is not objecting to this new community but has requested Israel not authorize anymore new communities while the Trump administration tries to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations.

There are three messages here.

1. The fact that Trump doesn't object to any new construction within existing communities tells us he support Israel keeping all of its communities in Judea and Samaria if there is a final status agreement.

2. The fact that he is only asking Israel not to build new communities while he is trying to establish a regional peace between Israel and the Arab nations means he has no objections, per se, to new communities in Judea and Samaria, but wants a period of relative quiet in this regard while he is negotiating with the Arab nations.

3. The fact that he is only discussing the disputes between Israel and the Palestinians in the context of a regional peace with the Arab nations means that a final status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians is no longer a separate agenda item for the US.

Well, it was your second post actually but who's arguing....

And it wasn't so difficult was it, saying that it is in fact a NEW settlement... (leaving the excuses behind of course)

So, one illegal settlement gets closed down for another illegal settlement to be built...

Makes perfect sense!

 

[yiostheoy]

I am against settlements and this new settlement is just another nail in the coffin for finding a peaceful solution...

Whatever your view on the settlements, why is Netanyahu playing at?

He is negotiating with the U.S on reducing settlement activity!

Israel approves first new West Bank settlement in 20 years - BBC News

You failed to state WHY you are against new settlements.

That suggests that you are a great liar, and I will fight you because you are a liar.

[Alexander Siddig, in Kingdom Of Heaven]

Kingdom of Heaven (2005) - IMDb

You FAILED to read my comment clearly, though, please, let me try and elaborate for you....

Settlements are considered under 'international law' to be illegal....

Netanyahu is currently in negotiations with the US to 'reduce' settlement activity, then announces a new settlement...

If, as I believe is the most palpable solution, a two state solution, continuing to build settlements further blocks any chance of finding that solution....

How you think that I am a "liar" based upon my last comment is beyond me but there we are...

Your comment was only 3 sentences long.

Ergo a blind man or woman could have easily read it clearly.

Thus your assertion that I did not read it clearly is also a great lie and you are a great liar.

And because you are a great liar I will fight you.

 

[louie888]

I am against settlements and this new settlement is just another nail in the coffin for finding a peaceful solution...

Whatever your view on the settlements, why is Netanyahu playing at?

He is negotiating with the U.S on reducing settlement activity!

Israel approves first new West Bank settlement in 20 years - BBC News

You failed to state WHY you are against new settlements.

That suggests that you are a great liar, and I will fight you because you are a liar.

[Alexander Siddig, in Kingdom Of Heaven]

Kingdom of Heaven (2005) - IMDb

You FAILED to read my comment clearly, though, please, let me try and elaborate for you....

Settlements are considered under 'international law' to be illegal....

Netanyahu is currently in negotiations with the US to 'reduce' settlement activity, then announces a new settlement...

If, as I believe is the most palpable solution, a two state solution, continuing to build settlements further blocks any chance of finding that solution....

How you think that I am a "liar" based upon my last comment is beyond me but there we are...

Your comment was only 3 sentences long.

Ergo a blind man or woman could have easily read it clearly.

Thus your assertion that I did not read it clearly is also a great lie and you are a great liar.

And because you are a great liar I will fight you.

He might have been lying his ass off on the holocaust thread, but he is absolutely on point here.

You are lying.

 

[yiostheoy]

...

Settlements are considered under 'international law' to be illegal....

Netanyahu is currently in negotiations with the US to 'reduce' settlement activity, then announces a new settlement...

If, as I believe is the most palpable solution, a two state solution, continuing to build settlements further blocks any chance of finding that solution....
...

Humanity your reason for opposing new settlements is apparently because someone (you don't say who) considers them illegal under something you call international law.

But you fail to state the law and cite which court considers them as such.

You sound like a child in high school trying to stutter-out a personal opinion.

You sound like a child in high school trying to sound smart.

But you only sound stupid and ignorant.

You have not made any case at all either way, for or against further settlements.

 

[yiostheoy]

I am against settlements and this new settlement is just another nail in the coffin for finding a peaceful solution...

Whatever your view on the settlements, why is Netanyahu playing at?

He is negotiating with the U.S on reducing settlement activity!

Israel approves first new West Bank settlement in 20 years - BBC News

You failed to state WHY you are against new settlements.

That suggests that you are a great liar, and I will fight you because you are a liar.

[Alexander Siddig, in Kingdom Of Heaven]

Kingdom of Heaven (2005) - IMDb

You FAILED to read my comment clearly, though, please, let me try and elaborate for you....

Settlements are considered under 'international law' to be illegal....

Netanyahu is currently in negotiations with the US to 'reduce' settlement activity, then announces a new settlement...

If, as I believe is the most palpable solution, a two state solution, continuing to build settlements further blocks any chance of finding that solution....

How you think that I am a "liar" based upon my last comment is beyond me but there we are...

Your comment was only 3 sentences long.

Ergo a blind man or woman could have easily read it clearly.

Thus your assertion that I did not read it clearly is also a great lie and you are a great liar.

And because you are a great liar I will fight you.

He might have been lying his ass off on the holocaust thread, but he is absolutely on point here.

You are lying.

I can't tell who your "you" is.

Is "you" Humanity or is "you" yiostheoy ??

You seem to have an antecedent problem and your grammar/syntax really sucks.

 

[Humanity]

Humanity your reason for opposing new settlements is apparently because someone (you don't say who) considers them illegal under something you call international law.

Strangely enough, I have enough humility to be able to say that I don't know all the answers...

Google is your friend... Go check out for yourself who says what about 'illegal settlements', it's called independent research!

For the rest of your comment, well, we can see the immature one in this debate can't we

 

[Humanity]

And because you are a great liar I will fight you.

And, I have to say, I quite like this repetition...

Is it to convince yourself that you are 'The Truth'

More importantly, care to show me where I lied?

Can you tell a lie in a question? Interesting concept...

 

[fanger]

The Geneva Convention
It is widely accepted that under international law, the Jewish settlements in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 are illegal.

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war states:"The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."

Within the international community the overwhelming view is that Article 49 is applicable to the occupation of the West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights.

Almost the entire international community, including allies of Israel, have referred to the situation in these territories as occupation.

The position that the 4th Geneva Convention does apply to the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights is supported by the International Committee of the Red Cross, UN bodies, and the International Court of Justice.

Israel is a party to the Geneva Conventions, and bound by its obligations.
BBC News - The Geneva Convention

The Security Council reaffirmed this afternoon that Israel’s establishment of settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had no legal validity, constituting a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the vision of two States living side-by-side in peace and security, within internationally recognized borders.
Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

Prohibited actions include forcibly transferring protected persons from the occupied territories to the territory of the occupying power.
It is unlawful under the Fourth Geneva Convention for an occupying power to transfer parts of its own population into the territory it occupies. This means that international humanitarian law prohibits the establishment of settlements, as these are a form of population transfer into occupied territory. Any measure designed to expand or consolidate settlements is also illegal. Confiscation of land to build or expand settlements is similarly prohibited.
What does the law say about the establishment of settlements in occupied territory? - ICRC

Every few months or so, I come across an op-ed on an Israeli or Jewish website that attempts to argue that the world’s uproar against settlements is illegitimate, and that settlements are perfectly legal under international law.

The latest such op-ed I read, about a month ago in this publication, was from Yair Shamir, the current Israeli minister of agriculture and son of the late Yitzchak Shamir.





While I do not dispute that there has always been an intense bias toward Israel when it comes to applying the standards of international law, this does not, however, change the fact that Israel’s settlement enterprise is, and has always been, grossly illegal under international law.
The settlements are illegal under international law