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Ft. Hood Hero: Obama Betrayed Me, Other Victims

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Fort Hood Hero Says Obama ‘Betrayed’ Her, Other Victims


Three years after the White House arranged a hero’s welcome at the State of the Union address for the Fort Hood police sergeant and her partner who stopped the deadly shooting there, Kimberly Munley says President Obama broke the promise he made to her that the victims would be well taken care of.

“Betrayed is a good word,” former Sgt. Munley told ABC News in a tearful interview to be broadcast tonight on “World News with Diane Sawyer” and “Nightline.”

“Not to the least little bit have the victims been taken care of,” she said. “In fact they’ve been neglected.” There was no immediate comment from the White House about Munley’s allegations.

Thirteen people were killed, including a pregnant soldier, and 32 others shot in the November 2009 rampage by the accused shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, who now awaits a military trial on charges of premeditated murder and attempted murder.

Tonight’s broadcast report also includes dramatic new video, obtained by ABC News, taken in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, capturing the chaos and terror of the day.

Munley, since laid off from her job with the base’s civilian police force, was shot three times as she and her partner, Sgt. Mark Todd, confronted Hasan, who witnesses said had shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he opened fire on soldiers being processed for deployment to Afghanistan. As Munley lay wounded, Todd fired the five bullets credited with bringing Hasan down.

Despite extensive evidence that Hasan was in communication with al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack, the military has denied the victims a Purple Heart and is treating the incident as “workplace violence” instead of “combat related” or terrorism. Al-Awlaki has since been killed in a U.S. drone attack in Yemen, in what was termed a major victory in the U.S. efforts against al Qaeda.

Munley and dozens of other victims have now filed a lawsuit against the military alleging the “workplace violence” designation means the Fort Hood victims are receiving lower priority access to medical care as veterans, and a loss of financial benefits available to those who injuries are classified as “combat related.”

Some of the victims “had to find civilian doctors to get proper medical treatment” and the military has not assigned liaison officers to help them coordinate their recovery, said the group’s lawyer, Reed Rubinstein.
“There’s a substantial number of very serious, crippling cases of post-traumatic stress disorder exacerbated, frankly, by what the Army and the Defense Department did in this case,” said Rubinstein. “We have a couple of cases in which the soldiers’ command accused the soldiers of malingering, and would say things to them that Fort Hood really wasn’t so bad, it wasn’t combat.”

A spokesperson for the Army said its policy is not to comment on pending litigation, but that it is “not true” any of the military victims have been neglected and that it has no control over the guidelines of the Veterans Administration.

Secretary of the Army John McHugh told ABC News he was unaware of any specific complaints from the Fort Hood victims, even though he is a named defendant in the lawsuit filed last November which specifically details the plight of many of them.

“If a soldier feels ignored, then we need to know about it on a case by case basis,” McHugh told ABC News. “It is not our intent to have two levels of care for people who are wounded by whatever means in uniform.”

Some of the victims in the lawsuit believe the Army Secretary and others are purposely ignoring their cases out of political correctness.

“These guys play stupid every time they’re asked a question about it, they pretend like they have no clue,” said Shawn Manning, who was shot six times that day at Fort Hood. Two of the bullets remain in his leg and spine, he said.
“It was no different than an insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan trying to kill us,” said Manning, who was twice deployed to Iraq and had to retire from the military because of his injuries.

An Army review board initially classified Manning’s injuries as “combat related,” but that finding was later overruled by higher-ups in the Army.
Manning says the “workplace violence” designation has cost him almost $70,000 in benefits that would have been available if his injuries were classified as “combat related.” “Basically, they’re treating us like I was downtown and I got hit by a car,” he told ABC News.

For Alonzo Lunsford, who was shot seven times at Fort Hood and blinded in one eye, the military’s treatment is deeply hurtful. “It’s a slap in the face, not only for me but for all of the 32 that wore the uniform that day,” he told ABC News. Lunsford’s medical records show his injuries were determined to be “in the line of duty” but neither he nor any of the other soldiers shot or killed at Fort Hood is eligible for the Purple Heart under the Department of Defense’s current policy for decorations and awards.

Army Secretary McHugh says awarding Purple Hearts could adversely affect the trial of Major Hasan. “To award a Purple Heart, it has to be done by a foreign terrorist element,” said McHugh. “So to declare that soldier a foreign terrorist, we are told, I’m not an attorney and I don’t run the Justice Department, but we’re told would have a profound effect on the ability to conduct the trial.”

Members of Congress, including the chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, say they will introduce legislation to force the military and the Obama administration to give the wounded and dead the recognition and honors they deserve. “It was clearly an act of terrorism that occurred that day, there’s no question in my mind,” McCaul told ABC News. “I think the victims should be treated as such.”

Former Sgt. Munley says she now believes the White House used her for political advantage in arranging for her to sit next to Michelle Obama during the President’s State of the Union address in 2010.

Munley says she has no hesitation now speaking out against the President or taking part in the lawsuit, because she wants to help the others who were shot that day and continue to suffer. “We got tired of being neglected. So this was our last resort and I’m not ashamed of it a bit,” she said.

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Question - Why does this administration have such a hard time calling this islamic terrorism when that is what it was? Why didn't they want to call that islamic terrorist attack at Benghazi what it was? What is the big deal with not addressing Islamic terrorism and admitting that Israel is handling their security far better than America is!
 
Question - Why does this administration have such a hard time calling this islamic terrorism when that is what it was? Why didn't they want to call that islamic terrorist attack at Benghazi what it was? What is the big deal with not addressing Islamic terrorism and admitting that Israel is handling their security far better than America is!


Jeremiah----excuse me----but-----its a way of LICKING THE ASS OF THE UMMAH----
a kind of denial of the reality of domestic islamic terrorism '
The fact that a PHYSICIAN who was active duty military---shot
up his PATIENT POPULATION----for the glory of allah-----impacts
on every muslim doc in the USA ---Obama wants to down play ---
but the fact that his effort to play nice impacts on the victims----is
actually nauseating LOTS of people are demanding that the
term "islamic" terrorism' not be used at all ----it just isn't
"islamic" ----so they claim Let's all lie
 
Another day, another person trying to get their 15 minutes by crying about something.

But tell me is it true that there are more satanists in the Army than in any other branch of the military? I was reading the Shuffert story about how he converted to Satanism while in Army and later was surprised the Pentagon was infilitrated with satanism too. Is that what the upsurge in atheism in military is all about lately? Or do you know....
 
Another day, another person trying to get their 15 minutes by crying about something.

But tell me is it true that there are more satanists in the Army than in any other branch of the military? I was reading the Shuffert story about how he converted to Satanism while in Army and later was surprised the Pentagon was infilitrated with satanism too. Is that what the upsurge in atheism in military is all about lately? Or do you know....

By definition a satanist could not be an atheist, so you might want to go back an rewrite that.

It didn't come across as witty or clever as you probably imagined it would when you were writing it.
 
Question - Why does this administration have such a hard time calling this islamic terrorism when that is what it was? Why didn't they want to call that islamic terrorist attack at Benghazi what it was? What is the big deal with not addressing Islamic terrorism and admitting that Israel is handling their security far better than America is!


Jeremiah----excuse me----but-----its a way of LICKING THE ASS OF THE UMMAH----
a kind of denial of the reality of domestic islamic terrorism '
The fact that a PHYSICIAN who was active duty military---shot
up his PATIENT POPULATION----for the glory of allah-----impacts
on every muslim doc in the USA ---Obama wants to down play ---
but the fact that his effort to play nice impacts on the victims----is
actually nauseating LOTS of people are demanding that the
term "islamic" terrorism' not be used at all ----it just isn't
"islamic" ----so they claim Let's all lie

How does one justify shouting Allah Akbar and gunning down over a dozen people equate to an act of workplace violence? It isn't random. This type thing has been consistently done in Islamic culture since the beginning. So how does anyone justify calling it workplace violence??
 
Here is my question to anyone who reads: Is shouting Allah Akbar before gunning down over a dozen people a case of workplace violence to you? If not, what is the difference? Thanks!
 
Another day, another person trying to get their 15 minutes by crying about something.

But tell me is it true that there are more satanists in the Army than in any other branch of the military? I was reading the Shuffert story about how he converted to Satanism while in Army and later was surprised the Pentagon was infilitrated with satanism too. Is that what the upsurge in atheism in military is all about lately? Or do you know....

By definition a satanist could not be an atheist, so you might want to go back an rewrite that.

It didn't come across as witty or clever as you probably imagined it would when you were writing it.

Of course a satanist can be an atheist as it is the satanist who openly claims there is no God, while privately he vows to throw him from his throne down to earth. Engels vowed the same thing ( Marx financial provider and fellow satanist ) while professing God of bible did not exist. The communists are also satanists ( the inner circle who call their oganization "hell" ) and have been down through the centuries unbeknownst to those who study Marx. They never even knew he was a high priest in Satanism. You know the satanists today still go to High Gate cemetary to perform satanic rituals at his grave site there? Yes, they do.

So communists lie and claim they are atheists ( while torturing christians in their prison cells and demanding these christians renounce their faith in God or desecrate the cross in some fashion ) and satanists go on Oprah claiming they do not believe in God ( while performing their own rituals with inverted symbols, words, upside down cross, etc ) and of course they are all liars like their father, the father of lies.

But tell me while you are here! What ever will they do when they breathe their last breath as Anton Lavey did only to find that the devil lied to them and is not sharing his kingdom with them after all? That in fact they ARE the entertainment for hell to be tortured eternally by the very same demons who helped escort them down there in the first place? I mean how stupid could they be!!!? Right?

- Jeremiah
 
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Here is my question to anyone who reads: Is shouting Allah Akbar before gunning down over a dozen people a case of workplace violence to you? If not, what is the difference? Thanks!


Jeremiah ---lets ask sherri ---- did nidal mention
"isa" ? sherri needs to know---she may classify
the event as "holy" --- almost as 'holy' as
samer's dabbling in "terrorism" <<if you will
excuse the expression :eusa_silenced:
 
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Here is my question to anyone who reads: Is shouting Allah Akbar before gunning down over a dozen people a case of workplace violence to you? If not, what is the difference? Thanks!


Jeremiah ---lets ask sherri ---- did nidal mention
"isa" ? sherri needs to know---she may classify
the event as "holy" --- almost as 'holy' as
samer's dabbling in "terrorism" <<if you will
excuse the expression :eusa_silenced:

How about this, Sherri? Can you answer the question honestly?
 
But tell me is it true that there are more satanists in the Army than in any other branch of the military? I was reading the Shuffert story about how he converted to Satanism while in Army and later was surprised the Pentagon was infilitrated with satanism too. Is that what the upsurge in atheism in military is all about lately? Or do you know....

By definition a satanist could not be an atheist, so you might want to go back an rewrite that.

It didn't come across as witty or clever as you probably imagined it would when you were writing it.

Of course a satanist can be an atheist as it is the satanist who openly claims there is no God, while privately he vows to throw him from his throne down to earth. Engels vowed the same thing ( Marx financial provider and fellow satanist ) while professing God of bible did not exist. The communists are also satanists ( the inner circle who call their oganization "hell" ) and have been down through the centuries unbeknownst to those who study Marx. They never even knew he was a high priest in Satanism. You know the satanists today still go to High Gate cemetary to perform satanic rituals at his grave site there? Yes, they do.

So communists lie and claim they are atheists ( while torturing christians in their prison cells and demanding these christians renounce their faith in God or desecrate the cross in some fashion ) and satanists go on Oprah claiming they do not believe in God ( while performing their own rituals with inverted symbols, words, upside down cross, etc ) and of course they are all liars like their father, the father of lies.

But tell me while you are here! What ever will they do when they breathe their last breath as Anton Lavey did only to find that the devil lied to them and is not sharing his kingdom with them after all? That in fact they ARE the entertainment for hell to be tortured eternally by the very same demons who helped escort them down there in the first place? I mean how stupid could they be!!!? Right?

- Jeremiah

By definition, if their is a satan their must be a god, therefore satanists cannot be atheists. Therefore who post is so much psuedo-intellectual mental masturbation.

As for heaven and hell and all those other myths, their just so many silly legends.

I do agree that anyone who believes in the concept of a heaven or hell or supernatural deities is stupid, though.
 
Here is my question to anyone who reads: Is shouting Allah Akbar before gunning down over a dozen people a case of workplace violence to you? If not, what is the difference? Thanks!


Jeremiah ---lets ask sherri ---- did nidal mention
"isa" ? sherri needs to know---she may classify
the event as "holy" --- almost as 'holy' as
samer's dabbling in "terrorism" <<if you will
excuse the expression :eusa_silenced:

How about this, Sherri? Can you answer the question honestly?


Jeremiah----DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH-----but if you wish to claim
"hunger strike"-----feel free to make that claim
 
By definition a satanist could not be an atheist, so you might want to go back an rewrite that.

It didn't come across as witty or clever as you probably imagined it would when you were writing it.

Of course a satanist can be an atheist as it is the satanist who openly claims there is no God, while privately he vows to throw him from his throne down to earth. Engels vowed the same thing ( Marx financial provider and fellow satanist ) while professing God of bible did not exist. The communists are also satanists ( the inner circle who call their oganization "hell" ) and have been down through the centuries unbeknownst to those who study Marx. They never even knew he was a high priest in Satanism. You know the satanists today still go to High Gate cemetary to perform satanic rituals at his grave site there? Yes, they do.

So communists lie and claim they are atheists ( while torturing christians in their prison cells and demanding these christians renounce their faith in God or desecrate the cross in some fashion ) and satanists go on Oprah claiming they do not believe in God ( while performing their own rituals with inverted symbols, words, upside down cross, etc ) and of course they are all liars like their father, the father of lies.

But tell me while you are here! What ever will they do when they breathe their last breath as Anton Lavey did only to find that the devil lied to them and is not sharing his kingdom with them after all? That in fact they ARE the entertainment for hell to be tortured eternally by the very same demons who helped escort them down there in the first place? I mean how stupid could they be!!!? Right?

- Jeremiah

By definition, if their is a satan their must be a god, therefore satanists cannot be atheists. Therefore who post is so much psuedo-intellectual mental masturbation.

As for heaven and hell and all those other myths, their just so many silly legends.

I do agree that anyone who believes in the concept of a heaven or hell or supernatural deities is stupid, though.

That does not negate the existence of either place nor the fact that you as well as all the rest of mankind will being spending eternity there. ( one or the other place ) I find it similar to the idea of jumping off a 100 story building while claiming that gravity does not exist and nothing bad shall happen. The person ignores all reason, takes the jump, finds out gravity is a reality, there is such a thing as "hitting the bottom" albeit too late.

Here is the problem as I see it. If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything. If you are right and I am wrong, you've lost nothing. So it would behoove you to listen to me and give the bible a thorough reading before deciding I'm wrong.
 
Of course a satanist can be an atheist as it is the satanist who openly claims there is no God, while privately he vows to throw him from his throne down to earth. Engels vowed the same thing ( Marx financial provider and fellow satanist ) while professing God of bible did not exist. The communists are also satanists ( the inner circle who call their oganization "hell" ) and have been down through the centuries unbeknownst to those who study Marx. They never even knew he was a high priest in Satanism. You know the satanists today still go to High Gate cemetary to perform satanic rituals at his grave site there? Yes, they do.

So communists lie and claim they are atheists ( while torturing christians in their prison cells and demanding these christians renounce their faith in God or desecrate the cross in some fashion ) and satanists go on Oprah claiming they do not believe in God ( while performing their own rituals with inverted symbols, words, upside down cross, etc ) and of course they are all liars like their father, the father of lies.

But tell me while you are here! What ever will they do when they breathe their last breath as Anton Lavey did only to find that the devil lied to them and is not sharing his kingdom with them after all? That in fact they ARE the entertainment for hell to be tortured eternally by the very same demons who helped escort them down there in the first place? I mean how stupid could they be!!!? Right?

- Jeremiah

By definition, if their is a satan their must be a god, therefore satanists cannot be atheists. Therefore who post is so much psuedo-intellectual mental masturbation.

As for heaven and hell and all those other myths, their just so many silly legends.

I do agree that anyone who believes in the concept of a heaven or hell or supernatural deities is stupid, though.

That does not negate the existence of either place nor the fact that you as well as all the rest of mankind will being spending eternity there. ( one or the other place ) I find it similar to the idea of jumping off a 100 story building while claiming that gravity does not exist and nothing bad shall happen. The person ignores all reason, takes the jump, finds out gravity is a reality, there is such a thing as "hitting the bottom" albeit too late.

Here is the problem as I see it. If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything. If you are right and I am wrong, you've lost nothing. So it would behoove you to listen to me and give the bible a thorough reading before deciding I'm wrong.

Terrible analogy. One can prove gravity exists. One cannot prove the existance of a deity.

As for your second point, it also holds no water. According to christian dogma, to attain heaven, one must accept jesus christ. If one does not truly believe and is just paying lip service "just in case", they won't see heaven anyway.
 
By definition, if their is a satan their must be a god, therefore satanists cannot be atheists. Therefore who post is so much psuedo-intellectual mental masturbation.

As for heaven and hell and all those other myths, their just so many silly legends.

I do agree that anyone who believes in the concept of a heaven or hell or supernatural deities is stupid, though.

That does not negate the existence of either place nor the fact that you as well as all the rest of mankind will being spending eternity there. ( one or the other place ) I find it similar to the idea of jumping off a 100 story building while claiming that gravity does not exist and nothing bad shall happen. The person ignores all reason, takes the jump, finds out gravity is a reality, there is such a thing as "hitting the bottom" albeit too late.

Here is the problem as I see it. If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything. If you are right and I am wrong, you've lost nothing. So it would behoove you to listen to me and give the bible a thorough reading before deciding I'm wrong.

Terrible analogy. One can prove gravity exists. One cannot prove the existance of a deity.

As for your second point, it also holds no water. According to christian dogma, to attain heaven, one must accept jesus christ. If one does not truly believe and is just paying lip service "just in case", they won't see heaven anyway.

And what's more is you know it! To deny the existence of God while living in the Creation He made is quite a feat. I do not believe such a being exists to be truthful. You may have your reasons for denying His existence, for worshiping the created rather than the Creator, for going your own way and living independently from God but you cannot convince Him that you don't believe He exists. God knows the very mind of man, he searches the deep places and knows the heart. Yet man himself cannot even know his own heart the bible says because it is so deceitful! Do you know what it is to be deceived? Ever been to a magic show as a kid? One minute you see something, the next you don't? God isn't out to trick you. If you were to will to do the will of God you would know if the Gospel Message was sent by God ( John 7: 17 ) but first you must be willing to do the will of God.

The bible New Testament says A man must be born again. He is speaking of being born of the spirit. Being born into the Kingdom of heaven. Grafted into Abrahams family as denoted by an olive tree - see Romans 11 - So if Jesus Christ is the door, the way in which for you to enter heaven eternally, to have that settled even now, you prefer to reject Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior because..............? You are into the occult? Your pentagram kinda gave it away but hey! We can have that avatar changed into a cross in no time!! :eusa_angel:
 
That does not negate the existence of either place nor the fact that you as well as all the rest of mankind will being spending eternity there. ( one or the other place ) I find it similar to the idea of jumping off a 100 story building while claiming that gravity does not exist and nothing bad shall happen. The person ignores all reason, takes the jump, finds out gravity is a reality, there is such a thing as "hitting the bottom" albeit too late.

Here is the problem as I see it. If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything. If you are right and I am wrong, you've lost nothing. So it would behoove you to listen to me and give the bible a thorough reading before deciding I'm wrong.

Terrible analogy. One can prove gravity exists. One cannot prove the existance of a deity.

As for your second point, it also holds no water. According to christian dogma, to attain heaven, one must accept jesus christ. If one does not truly believe and is just paying lip service "just in case", they won't see heaven anyway.

And what's more is you know it! To deny the existence of God while living in the Creation He made is quite a feat. I do not believe such a being exists to be truthful. You may have your reasons for denying His existence, for worshiping the created rather than the Creator, for going your own way and living independently from God but you cannot convince Him that you don't believe He exists. God knows the very mind of man, he searches the deep places and knows the heart. Yet man himself cannot even know his own heart the bible says because it is so deceitful! Do you know what it is to be deceived? Ever been to a magic show as a kid? One minute you see something, the next you don't? God isn't out to trick you. If you were to will to do the will of God you would know if the Gospel Message was sent by God ( John 7: 17 ) but first you must be willing to do the will of God.

The bible New Testament says A man must be born again. He is speaking of being born of the spirit. Being born into the Kingdom of heaven. Grafted into Abrahams family as denoted by an olive tree - see Romans 11 - So if Jesus Christ is the door, the way in which for you to enter heaven eternally, to have that settled even now, you prefer to reject Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior because..............? You are into the occult? Your pentagram kinda gave it away but hey! We can have that avatar changed into a cross in no time!! :eusa_angel:

Believe your silly myths if you see fit.

While I certainly disagree as to their reality, I support your right to believe it and live your life accordingly.

As far as my avatar, I'm not into the occult or supernatural, it was given to me as a running joke on another board, and I've grown kind of fond of the picture.
 
Terrible analogy. One can prove gravity exists. One cannot prove the existance of a deity.

As for your second point, it also holds no water. According to christian dogma, to attain heaven, one must accept jesus christ. If one does not truly believe and is just paying lip service "just in case", they won't see heaven anyway.

And what's more is you know it! To deny the existence of God while living in the Creation He made is quite a feat. I do not believe such a being exists to be truthful. You may have your reasons for denying His existence, for worshiping the created rather than the Creator, for going your own way and living independently from God but you cannot convince Him that you don't believe He exists. God knows the very mind of man, he searches the deep places and knows the heart. Yet man himself cannot even know his own heart the bible says because it is so deceitful! Do you know what it is to be deceived? Ever been to a magic show as a kid? One minute you see something, the next you don't? God isn't out to trick you. If you were to will to do the will of God you would know if the Gospel Message was sent by God ( John 7: 17 ) but first you must be willing to do the will of God.

The bible New Testament says A man must be born again. He is speaking of being born of the spirit. Being born into the Kingdom of heaven. Grafted into Abrahams family as denoted by an olive tree - see Romans 11 - So if Jesus Christ is the door, the way in which for you to enter heaven eternally, to have that settled even now, you prefer to reject Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior because..............? You are into the occult? Your pentagram kinda gave it away but hey! We can have that avatar changed into a cross in no time!! :eusa_angel:

Believe your silly myths if you see fit.

While I certainly disagree as to their reality, I support your right to believe it and live your life accordingly.

As far as my avatar, I'm not into the occult or supernatural, it was given to me as a running joke on another board, and I've grown kind of fond of the picture.

odd gift
 
Question - Why does this administration have such a hard time calling this islamic terrorism when that is what it was? Why didn't they want to call that islamic terrorist attack at Benghazi what it was? What is the big deal with not addressing Islamic terrorism and admitting that Israel is handling their security far better than America is!

This really doesn't answer the basic question the victims have but it appears to be the military reasoning behind this.

Hasan has already been charged and the appropriate investigations were conducted to determine he is eligible for the death penalty.

If DOD changes the status of the attack to terrorism - or an act of war - it nullifies all previous legal proceedings and makes them start all over.
 
Question - Why does this administration have such a hard time calling this islamic terrorism when that is what it was? Why didn't they want to call that islamic terrorist attack at Benghazi what it was? What is the big deal with not addressing Islamic terrorism and admitting that Israel is handling their security far better than America is!

This really doesn't answer the basic question the victims have but it appears to be the military reasoning behind this.

Hasan has already been charged and the appropriate investigations were conducted to determine he is eligible for the death penalty.

If DOD changes the status of the attack to terrorism - or an act of war - it nullifies all previous legal proceedings and makes them start all over.


ok fine----then they can just ----add a little ruling----that the victims will be treated
AS IF THEY WERE INJURED IN COMBAT ok? lets bend a bit

as for the other issue of SEMANTICS -------we all know what happened "THE LAW"
is supposed to be something for the GOOD OF PEOPLE-----not its enemy ----
The laws of the DOD were not handed down on Mount Sinai
 

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