TemplarKormac
Political Atheist
I have a Muslim friend, who will remain nameless for the sake of this discussion. He responded to a Facebook post of mine where I referred to the religious persecution of Christians in the Middle East with "I hope you are referring to the oppression of Palestinians by Israel." The below was my response:
Israel is one of the most culturally and religiously diverse nations on Earth, with immigration policies even stricter than America's. Many Muslims freely practice their faith there. If you want to blame someone, blame the Palestinian Arabs. They began by oppressing and slaughtering 300 Jews in the Arab Revolt of 1936, after the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini (who was a Nazi conspirator) issued a fatwa calling for the deaths of those Jews, let's also note that they weren't even Zionists. He also helped Hitler recruit 20,000 into the Schutzstaffel. His was largely a protest against Jewish Immigration and British Colonial rule. These Arabs had been freely selling land to the Jews during the 1910's and early 1920's. So whatever land Israel has now is Israel's.
In the 1948 Palestine War, the Palestinians along with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan (Transjordan) and Lebanon invaded the newly established nation of Israel. By 1949, Israel had crushed both the Palestinians and their allies. They kept all of the land the UN Partition plan gave them, and took 60% of the land belonging to the Palestinians. The First and Second Intifadas of the 1980's and 1990's were no different. The land they have now are spoils of War. In fact, the Israelis gave Gaza back to the Palestinians in the name of peace, but nothing ever really changed.
So, Palestine is responsible for inciting the conflict with Israel, and thus they are responsible for the 'oppression' they encounter. I've heard many people bring up the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel many times. But that was not the beginning of the conflict. I wonder why so many people think of Israel as an oppressive entity? Are the Palestinians not the ones who murdered the Fogel Family? Were they not the ones who conspired with Hitler?
Also, the Israelites have a link to the land dating back as far as 3700 years. Even by Palestine's own admission to the Anglo American Committee, also in 1946, that they could only trace their link to the land to the conquests of Muhammad's followers in the 7th Century, or about 1000 years.
In fact, in 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission "There is no such country as Palestine! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." To add, Palestine was a name the Romans applied to Judea (the West Bank) to diminish Jewish identification with the land of Israel after they crushed the most previous Jewish Revolt, the name was "Palestina." They (the Jews) were mostly driven into diaspora by 135 A.D.
You say Israel was or is 'oppressive.' Well, let's put that in perspective. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were slaughtered by the Crusaders, until Saladin broke them free and sent them packing. Jews on the other hand, 6 million of them were summarily executed at the hands of a fascist.
Israel is one of the most culturally and religiously diverse nations on Earth, with immigration policies even stricter than America's. Many Muslims freely practice their faith there. If you want to blame someone, blame the Palestinian Arabs. They began by oppressing and slaughtering 300 Jews in the Arab Revolt of 1936, after the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini (who was a Nazi conspirator) issued a fatwa calling for the deaths of those Jews, let's also note that they weren't even Zionists. He also helped Hitler recruit 20,000 into the Schutzstaffel. His was largely a protest against Jewish Immigration and British Colonial rule. These Arabs had been freely selling land to the Jews during the 1910's and early 1920's. So whatever land Israel has now is Israel's.
In the 1948 Palestine War, the Palestinians along with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan (Transjordan) and Lebanon invaded the newly established nation of Israel. By 1949, Israel had crushed both the Palestinians and their allies. They kept all of the land the UN Partition plan gave them, and took 60% of the land belonging to the Palestinians. The First and Second Intifadas of the 1980's and 1990's were no different. The land they have now are spoils of War. In fact, the Israelis gave Gaza back to the Palestinians in the name of peace, but nothing ever really changed.
So, Palestine is responsible for inciting the conflict with Israel, and thus they are responsible for the 'oppression' they encounter. I've heard many people bring up the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel many times. But that was not the beginning of the conflict. I wonder why so many people think of Israel as an oppressive entity? Are the Palestinians not the ones who murdered the Fogel Family? Were they not the ones who conspired with Hitler?
Also, the Israelites have a link to the land dating back as far as 3700 years. Even by Palestine's own admission to the Anglo American Committee, also in 1946, that they could only trace their link to the land to the conquests of Muhammad's followers in the 7th Century, or about 1000 years.
In fact, in 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission "There is no such country as Palestine! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." To add, Palestine was a name the Romans applied to Judea (the West Bank) to diminish Jewish identification with the land of Israel after they crushed the most previous Jewish Revolt, the name was "Palestina." They (the Jews) were mostly driven into diaspora by 135 A.D.
You say Israel was or is 'oppressive.' Well, let's put that in perspective. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were slaughtered by the Crusaders, until Saladin broke them free and sent them packing. Jews on the other hand, 6 million of them were summarily executed at the hands of a fascist.
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