How is gun crime rising in Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...

[2aguy]

Here we have another story of the police in Britain trying to deal with rising gun crime...the problem....their resources are stripped away to pay for their other social welfare programs....so violent crime, including gun crime is going through the roof.....

Police hope for more cash to tackle gun crime over fears "innocents could die"

The Government has told Merseyside’s top police and political figures that it will try to find more cash for the struggling force - amid fears a rise in gun crime could lead to “innocent deaths” on the streets.

A high level meeting was held this morning which saw several Merseyside MPs, Chief Constable Andy Cooke and Crime Commissioner Jane Kennedy calling for more urgent funding from Government Security Minister Ben Wallace.

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Speaking after the meeting at the Home Office the Labour MP said: “It was a constructive meeting and the Minister understands the pressure that gun crime and shootings are placing on the police and communities.

“He also understands the excellent reputation Merseyside Police happens in dealing with gun issues when it is properly resourced.

“Now the Home Office, the Police and Crime Commissioner, the Chief Constable and will work together to find the extra resources as soon as possible to tackle gun crime on Merseyside.”

why are they tackling rising gun crime? Back in the 1990s Britain banned and confiscated guns....and nothing changed in their gun murder rates.....and now, their gun crime rates are going up..so you can bet eventually their criminals will get tired of just wounding and firing warning shots......their gun murder rate will go up....21 years after they banned guns from law abiding people.....and those people are defenseless in Britain...

"21 years after they banned guns"

And suddenly banning the guns is the 'cause' of gun crimes?

Meanwhile- the rate of gun crimes in Britain continues to be far, far lower than the United States.

The disease called disarmament

Odd isn't it that your 'disease' kills the fewest people where it is most fully implemented?

And kills the most where it is least implimented?

If the disease was Malaria, you would be calling for your rights to mosquitoes.

Odd isn't it that your 'disease' kills the fewest people where it is most fully implemented?

Wrong....12 million unarmed Europeans murdered by the nazis......

Wrong....25 million unarmed Russians murdered by the communists....

Wrong...70 million unarmed Chinese murdered by the communists...

Wrong...1/3 of the unarmed population of Cambodia murdered by the communists...

Wrong...10s of thousands of unarmed Mexican citizens murdered by the drug cartels and their allies in the Mexican military and police....

Wrong...8-900,000 unarmed Rwandans murdered by their own government...

The two things these things have in common.....and this is just a short list........

1) the victims of the mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing...were all unarmed.

2) their governments took their guns away from them on the promise they would keep them safe and that they didn't need guns.....

 

[2aguy]

You ain't never gonna understand how cause and effect works, are you?

If a person is found to have cancer ---- and a treatment of chemo is prescribed --- and the chemo fails to stop the cancer --- shall we then say the chemo accelerated the cancer?

This is sailing way over your head isn't it.....

And you are an idiot. Banning guns for law abiding people does not lower the crime rate or the gun crime rate...as Britain shows......allowing people to own guns and carry them for self defense...does not raise the gun crime rate or gun murder rate, as the U.S. shows....

Britain....21 years after banning guns...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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7/1/17...

Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

The United States....21 years after Concealed carry laws were put into place...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Violent crime has been coming down in the United States for decades- regardless of gun laws.
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Meanwhile- the UK still has a much lower rate of gun violence than the United States.

And you are wrong....and you know you are wrong....anti gunners like you say that more guns = more crime......and actual history, and actual statistics show that that is not true.....you guys preach more gun laws will lower the gun crime rate....not true, as the gun crime increase in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns shows....

To repeat the truth....more guns in the hands of more law abiding people lowered the crime rate.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower the crime rate...in Britain, in fact, their gun crime rate is up 42% in London and up all over the country....

There is nothing about the gun issue that you anti gunners are even remotely accurate about....absolutely nothing.....not one fact, on bit of truth or one little bit of reality...everything you say is wrong.......and then you make up lies to cover how wrong you are....

 

[2aguy]

Here we have another story of the police in Britain trying to deal with rising gun crime...the problem....their resources are stripped away to pay for their other social welfare programs....so violent crime, including gun crime is going through the roof.....

Police hope for more cash to tackle gun crime over fears "innocents could die"

The Government has told Merseyside’s top police and political figures that it will try to find more cash for the struggling force - amid fears a rise in gun crime could lead to “innocent deaths” on the streets.

A high level meeting was held this morning which saw several Merseyside MPs, Chief Constable Andy Cooke and Crime Commissioner Jane Kennedy calling for more urgent funding from Government Security Minister Ben Wallace.

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Speaking after the meeting at the Home Office the Labour MP said: “It was a constructive meeting and the Minister understands the pressure that gun crime and shootings are placing on the police and communities.

“He also understands the excellent reputation Merseyside Police happens in dealing with gun issues when it is properly resourced.

“Now the Home Office, the Police and Crime Commissioner, the Chief Constable and will work together to find the extra resources as soon as possible to tackle gun crime on Merseyside.”

why are they tackling rising gun crime? Back in the 1990s Britain banned and confiscated guns....and nothing changed in their gun murder rates.....and now, their gun crime rates are going up..so you can bet eventually their criminals will get tired of just wounding and firing warning shots......their gun murder rate will go up....21 years after they banned guns from law abiding people.....and those people are defenseless in Britain...

"21 years after they banned guns"

And suddenly banning the guns is the 'cause' of gun crimes?

Meanwhile- the rate of gun crimes in Britain continues to be far, far lower than the United States.

And you don't understand. They banned guns when they had gun crime that was far lower than the United States....and their gun crime rate went up..

Their gun crime went up as you pointed out "21 years after they banned guns"

I understand fine.

You want us to believe that gun bans are the cause for gun violence.

Despite the fact that the places with the most successful gun bans have the lowest rates of gun violence.

No....there gun crime went up 42% last year.....it has been going up since the gun ban...and their gun murder rate...didn't change, after they banned guns.....taking guns away from law abiding gun owners did not lower their gun crime rate, and didn't lower their gun murder rate....you are wrong.....completely wrong...

And now....their gun crime rate is going up, because their criminals have changed. They are more willing to shoot and kill each other and their victims....before, they shot each other in the legs...now they are aiming higher....

 

[2aguy]

Here we have another story of the police in Britain trying to deal with rising gun crime...the problem....their resources are stripped away to pay for their other social welfare programs....so violent crime, including gun crime is going through the roof.....

Police hope for more cash to tackle gun crime over fears "innocents could die"

The Government has told Merseyside’s top police and political figures that it will try to find more cash for the struggling force - amid fears a rise in gun crime could lead to “innocent deaths” on the streets.

A high level meeting was held this morning which saw several Merseyside MPs, Chief Constable Andy Cooke and Crime Commissioner Jane Kennedy calling for more urgent funding from Government Security Minister Ben Wallace.

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Speaking after the meeting at the Home Office the Labour MP said: “It was a constructive meeting and the Minister understands the pressure that gun crime and shootings are placing on the police and communities.

“He also understands the excellent reputation Merseyside Police happens in dealing with gun issues when it is properly resourced.

“Now the Home Office, the Police and Crime Commissioner, the Chief Constable and will work together to find the extra resources as soon as possible to tackle gun crime on Merseyside.”

why are they tackling rising gun crime? Back in the 1990s Britain banned and confiscated guns....and nothing changed in their gun murder rates.....and now, their gun crime rates are going up..so you can bet eventually their criminals will get tired of just wounding and firing warning shots......their gun murder rate will go up....21 years after they banned guns from law abiding people.....and those people are defenseless in Britain...

"21 years after they banned guns"

And suddenly banning the guns is the 'cause' of gun crimes?

Meanwhile- the rate of gun crimes in Britain continues to be far, far lower than the United States.

Poorly executed deflection at best. The disease called disarmament takes time to spread until it's out of control, and make no mistake, you gun banning crime enablers are a disease that kills!

It`s interesting that you would mention "disease". Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease and you seem to be paranoid. Should you really be allowed to play with guns? The guns for all policy btw, is where the Nation`s Real Assholes have taken us. Terror suspects, criminals and crazies have no better friend than the nra.

No.....you guys want gun criminals back on the streets....I don't know why, but you keep letting them out over and over again......

Terror suspects.....you mean people who have not been convicted of any crime....you mean them? The ACLU has led the fight against you assholes on that one.....

The crazies...again...the ACLU and 23 other mental health organizations fought you on that one....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

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The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.