How St. Augustine Invented Sex

[Disir]

One day in 370 C.E., a sixteen-year-old boy and his father went to the public baths together in the provincial city of Thagaste, in what is now Algeria. At some point during their visit, the father may have glimpsed that the boy had an involuntary erection, or simply remarked on his recently sprouted pubic hair. Hardly a world-historical event, but the boy was named Augustine, and he went on to shape Christian theology for both Roman Catholics and Protestants, to explore the hidden recesses of the inner life, and to bequeath to all of us the conviction that there is something fundamentally damaged about the entire human species. There has probably been no more important Western thinker in the past fifteen hundred years.In the “Confessions,” written around 397, Augustine described what happened in the bathhouse many years earlier. That day, Patricius, his father, saw in him the signs of inquieta adulescentia, restless young manhood, and was—in Sarah Ruden’s new, strikingly colloquial translation—“over the moon” at the thought of someday soon having grandchildren. It is easy, even across a vast distance in time, to conjure up a teen-ager’s exquisite embarrassment. But what fixed itself in Augustine’s memory, instead, is something that happened when they got home: “In his glee he told my mother—it was the sort of tipsy glee in which this sorry world has forgotten you, its creator, and fallen in love instead with something you’ve created.” (Augustine’s “Confessions” are addressed to his God.) His mother, Monica, was a pious Christian and responded very differently. Since God had already started to build his temple in her breast, she “endured a violent spasm of reverent, tremulous trepidation.” The unbaptized adolescent’s sexual maturity had become the occasion—not the first and certainly not the last—for a serious rift between his parents.
How St. Augustine Invented Sex

I have always found St. Augustine an interesting character due to the amount of influence he had over shaping Christianity---considering his personal history.

 

[aris2chat]

He was quite the sex addict. Mistress, child, affairs even with men........

 

[HenryBHough]

He was quite the sex addict. Mistress, child, affairs even with men........

Well, shit! He had to do something. Facebook,Twitter, even The Blogosphere hadn't been invented at the time.

 

[Aletheia4u]

One day in 370 C.E., a sixteen-year-old boy and his father went to the public baths together in the provincial city of Thagaste, in what is now Algeria. At some point during their visit, the father may have glimpsed that the boy had an involuntary erection, or simply remarked on his recently sprouted pubic hair. Hardly a world-historical event, but the boy was named Augustine, and he went on to shape Christian theology for both Roman Catholics and Protestants, to explore the hidden recesses of the inner life, and to bequeath to all of us the conviction that there is something fundamentally damaged about the entire human species. There has probably been no more important Western thinker in the past fifteen hundred years.In the “Confessions,” written around 397, Augustine described what happened in the bathhouse many years earlier. That day, Patricius, his father, saw in him the signs of inquieta adulescentia, restless young manhood, and was—in Sarah Ruden’s new, strikingly colloquial translation—“over the moon” at the thought of someday soon having grandchildren. It is easy, even across a vast distance in time, to conjure up a teen-ager’s exquisite embarrassment. But what fixed itself in Augustine’s memory, instead, is something that happened when they got home: “In his glee he told my mother—it was the sort of tipsy glee in which this sorry world has forgotten you, its creator, and fallen in love instead with something you’ve created.” (Augustine’s “Confessions” are addressed to his God.) His mother, Monica, was a pious Christian and responded very differently. Since God had already started to build his temple in her breast, she “endured a violent spasm of reverent, tremulous trepidation.” The unbaptized adolescent’s sexual maturity had become the occasion—not the first and certainly not the last—for a serious rift between his parents.
How St. Augustine Invented Sex

I have always found St. Augustine an interesting character due to the amount of influence he had over shaping Christianity---considering his personal history.

It was the fruit from off of the tree of awareness of the physical nature that had introduced them to sex, and the separation of the spiritual world. But before, they did not focused on the flesh. They had only noticed the spiritual nature of a person.

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

1 John 2:16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

 

[Aletheia4u]

1 Corinthians 6:13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

 

[shimon]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

 

[aris2chat]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

Stories go back well before Genesis. Even the bible tells of two different origin stories.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

And so, Adam had went around telling the truth before he ate the fruit. And so, what truth that he was telling Eve? So they hid their lies behind fig leaves. And so then that I better watch out for those that has figs trees at their homes.
A fig tree is sort of like a bush that you can walk into it and hide behind the leaves because their branches stretches out and down to the ground, and you can step into it like a tent. It is just the leaves that covers the bush on the outside only, but none are in the inside of it. So basically, they hid themselves in the bushes. Then God was looking for them to be out in the open. But they were ashamed to come from out of the bush because they were naked. But God knew that they must of have had eaten from the tree in order for them to be aware that they were naked. Because before they weren't aware of it.
And Adam did not lie, but only disobeyed a direct order from God. You cannot lie in the presence of God. Because we all knows that He knows all.

Hebrews 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.



And so, sex has been around since the beginning in order for Adam and Eve to have had children.
But who taught us all about rough dirty sex were the people of India.

 

[aris2chat]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

And so, Adam had went around telling the truth before he ate the fruit. And so, what truth that he was telling Eve? So they hid their lies behind fig leaves. And so then that I better watch out for those that has figs trees at their homes.
A fig tree is sort of like a bush that you can walk into it and hide behind the leaves because their branches stretches out and down to the ground, and you can step into it like a tent. It is just the leaves that covers the bush on the outside only, but none are in the inside of it. So basically, they hid themselves in the bushes. Then God was looking for them to be out in the open. But they were ashamed to come from out of the bush because they were naked. But God knew that they must of have had eaten from the tree in order for them to be aware that they were naked. Because before they weren't aware of it.
And Adam did not lie, but only disobeyed a direct order from God. You cannot lie in the presence of God. Because we all knows that He knows all.

Hebrews 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.



And so, sex has been around since the beginning in order for Adam and Eve to have had children.
But who taught us all about rough dirty sex were the people of India.

rough? dirty?

pleasure, even religious ecstasy for both partners

pillow books, instruction, art, are found around the world

if sex was not pleasurable, humans would have died out millennia ago.

Thank nature, thank god, thank who ever and what ever you want..............just enjoy

 

[shimon]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

And so, Adam had went around telling the truth before he ate the fruit. And so, what truth that he was telling Eve? So they hid their lies behind fig leaves. And so then that I better watch out for those that has figs trees at their homes.
A fig tree is sort of like a bush that you can walk into it and hide behind the leaves because their branches stretches out and down to the ground, and you can step into it like a tent. It is just the leaves that covers the bush on the outside only, but none are in the inside of it. So basically, they hid themselves in the bushes. Then God was looking for them to be out in the open. But they were ashamed to come from out of the bush because they were naked. But God knew that they must of have had eaten from the tree in order for them to be aware that they were naked. Because before they weren't aware of it.
And Adam did not lie, but only disobeyed a direct order from God. You cannot lie in the presence of God. Because we all knows that He knows all.

Hebrews 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.



And so, sex has been around since the beginning in order for Adam and Eve to have had children.
But who taught us all about rough dirty sex were the people of India.

It wasn't fig leaves try thinking out of the box....When someone tells a lie they usually have to make up stories to cover those lies usually the lie must be covered by another lie and so on and so forth..In order to remember what you said to cover up the lie you might have had to write whole books to do so and you might have to constantly change the wording to keep the lie covered...Does that sound like anything you might know.. Hint .....Remember the Jewish scriptures are referred to as a TREE of LIFE... IF the book being used to cover up that truth is the opposite say a TREE of DEATH then one can figure that out... That is all I am willing to say accept one hint in the Hebrew Scriptures Adam means Mankind it is more then one individual and Adam had a wife before EVE who left him... Try thinking in the terms of allegories and symbolism instead of literal....

 

[Aletheia4u]

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
That is because they had the NAKED TRUTH so there was no LIE within them.................................Remember the truth can walk around NAKED but the LIE must be covered.........
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

IT was only after they ATE the fruit of "ANOTHER TREE" that they SAW that they had SWALLOWED lies and that they needed to COVER them up.. There is so much more that could be said here it did not have to do with Sex or anything of that nature...Remember TEACHINGS are FRUITS and they ate or partook of a TREE that was not condoned of by Gd...They were seduced by the LIEsssssssss of a certain serpent that promised them something that he could not deliver...You should be asking yourself what lies that particular serpent told them and what TREE they ate from...

And so, Adam had went around telling the truth before he ate the fruit. And so, what truth that he was telling Eve? So they hid their lies behind fig leaves. And so then that I better watch out for those that has figs trees at their homes.
A fig tree is sort of like a bush that you can walk into it and hide behind the leaves because their branches stretches out and down to the ground, and you can step into it like a tent. It is just the leaves that covers the bush on the outside only, but none are in the inside of it. So basically, they hid themselves in the bushes. Then God was looking for them to be out in the open. But they were ashamed to come from out of the bush because they were naked. But God knew that they must of have had eaten from the tree in order for them to be aware that they were naked. Because before they weren't aware of it.
And Adam did not lie, but only disobeyed a direct order from God. You cannot lie in the presence of God. Because we all knows that He knows all.

Hebrews 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.



And so, sex has been around since the beginning in order for Adam and Eve to have had children.
But who taught us all about rough dirty sex were the people of India.

It wasn't fig leaves try thinking out of the box....When someone tells a lie they usually have to make up stories to cover those lies usually the lie must be covered by another lie and so on and so forth..In order to remember what you said to cover up the lie you might have had to write whole books to do so and you might have to constantly change the wording to keep the lie covered...Does that sound like anything you might know.. Hint .....Remember the Jewish scriptures are referred to as a TREE of LIFE... IF the book being used to cover up that truth is the opposite say a TREE of DEATH then one can figure that out... That is all I am willing to say accept one hint in the Hebrew Scriptures Adam means Mankind it is more then one individual and Adam had a wife before EVE who left him... Try thinking in the terms of allegories and symbolism instead of literal....

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’(Singular, not plural that it is referring to.)

 

[Iceweasel]

Women and men enjoyed sex long before goat herders put their beliefs to papyrus.

 

[aris2chat]

Women and men enjoyed sex long before goat herders put their beliefs to papyrus.

and priest to popes have been enjoying "all" types of sex even into the late 19th century. No doubt many are even today, just not a publicly.

Orthodox have always permitted marriage, now catholic priests can as well, in some cases.

Sex and the church (all denominations) have gone hand in hand since the followers of Jesus.

certainly the human race would not exist without it, or any species

 

[shimon]

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’(Singular, not plural that it is referring to.)[/QUOTE]
A " Mark" is someone that is "CONNED" told a story and anything of Value that the conman wants out of him is usually taken from him..... What part of a FIGment of a be LEAF do you not undertstand...What part of a book of LIES to cover the NAKED TRUTH residing in the jewish scriptures Or TREE of LIFE do you not get....hmmmm...

 

[Aletheia4u]

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’(Singular, not plural that it is referring to.)

A " Mark" is someone that is "CONNED" told a story and anything of Value that the conman wants out of him is usually taken from him..... What part of a FIGment of a be LEAF do you not undertstand...What part of a book of LIES to cover the NAKED TRUTH residing in the jewish scriptures Or TREE of LIFE do you not get....hmmmm...[/QUOTE]
Mark was just one of the many scribes that had followed Paul. It is in our hearts to only serve or love one at a time.

Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Genesis 29:25 When morning came, there was Leah! So Jacob said to Laban, “What is this you have done to me? I served you for Rachel, didn’t I? Why have you deceived me?”

 

[shimon]

Mark was just one of the many scribes that had followed Paul. It is in our hearts to only serve or love one at a time.

That is not true at all you realize that The name Mark was attributed to that book many many years after the fact As were Mathew and Luke as a matter of fact they were blatant ripoffs of each other and we do not know who the true authors really were...Now since you
Decided to mention Paul
Who supposedly wrote the majority of the New Testament that would make Paul the teacher it would be his FRUIT that was EATEN from and SWALLOWED ..Pay attention now that would be Apaul(Apple) the forbidden fruit from the forbidden teachings... The interesting thing is we don't even know who this Paul was he could have been one of many compiled figures or he could have based on the teachings of Appolonius( There is that Apple again) of Tyani.. Regardless one lie followssssss another lie in this tale tale to cover up the original truth...

 

[fncceo]

The real inventors of sex ...

 

[Aletheia4u]

Mark was just one of the many scribes that had followed Paul. It is in our hearts to only serve or love one at a time.

That is not true at all you realize that The name Mark was attributed to that book many many years after the fact As were Mathew and Luke as a matter of fact they were blatant ripoffs of each other and we do not know who the true authors really were...Now since you
Decided to mention Paul
Who supposedly wrote the majority of the New Testament that would make Paul the teacher it would be his FRUIT that was EATEN from and SWALLOWED ..Pay attention now that would be Apaul(Apple) the forbidden fruit from the forbidden teachings... The interesting thing is we don't even know who this Paul was he could have been one of many compiled figures or he could have based on the teachings of Appolonius( There is that Apple again) of Tyani.. Regardless one lie followssssss another lie in this tale tale to cover up the original truth...

There were many People in those days were named John, Jesus and Mary and so on. Those were common names. They did not had surnames. The way they distinguished or addressed to a certain person.That they will called them by their name and what they are known as in certain areas. Like when they had called Jesus, that they will include like, The son Of David, the Son of Jesse, The Nazareth or the Healer. Or like John, the Baptist. And so it had made it even more harder for biblical scholars to understand whom they were referring to in those days.
The Apostles had taken scribes with them as recorders or witnesses as the way they had done in the Old Testaments' days.


Matthew 12:47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

Acts 12:12 When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary the mother of John, also called Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying.

Acts 15:37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them,

Philemon 1:24 And so do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas and Luke, my fellow workers.

2 Timothy 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry.

Were Some Of The Biblical Books Actually Written By A Scribe Rather Than By The Named Author? Were Some Of The Biblical Books Actually Written By A Scribe Rather Than By The Named Author? (Amanuensis)

Luke was the only Gentile to write books of the Bible, and he was a close companion of St. Paul. St. Luke is known as a very gifted writer, a physician by trade with marked artistic abilities. St. Luke: The Scribe of Christ’s Gentleness

Mark and Luke 1-14. Mark A Jew writing to the Gentiles! Mark was a scribe for Peter and a missionary companion for Paul. Mark and Luke Mark A Jew writing to the Gentiles! Mark was a scribe for Peter and a missionary companion for Paul. Material exclusive to Mark: 1.One. - ppt download

 

[shimon]

Do you have a listening disorder...Once again there is no mention of theGospels until the second century..Further the gospels were unknown to Justin Martyr who obviously would have quoted them had he known they exsisted but he did not as the very names Mathew, Mark Luke and John are never mentioned by him... These books were all anonymous and the interesting thing is more then 70 per cent of Mark is copied word for word in both Mathew and Luke...Not even the bible claims that Mark was an eyewitness to Jesus time on earth...People can look these things up on line and figure it out for themselves they don't need me to point it out for them...That is why Mark is so telling because as I stated before a Mark is someone who has been conned and or fleeced( How appropriate for sheep or sheeple)
...Living in today's times there is no excuse for people to be deceived and to eat of or partake of ROTTEN FRUIT and be left with a belly ache at best and an emptier wallet and a feeling of being taken for a fool at worst....

 

[aris2chat]

4 gospel

Do you have a listening disorder...Once again there is no mention of theGospels until the second century..Further the gospels were unknown to Justin Martyr who obviously would have quoted them had he known they exsisted but he did not as the very names Mathew, Mark Luke and John are never mentioned by him... These books were all anonymous and the interesting thing is more then 70 per cent of Mark is copied word for word in both Mathew and Luke...Not even the bible claims that Mark was an eyewitness to Jesus time on earth...People can look these things up on line and figure it out for themselves they don't need me to point it out for them...That is why Mark is so telling because as I stated before a Mark is someone who has been conned and or fleeced( How appropriate for sheep or sheeple)
...Living in today's times there is no excuse for people to be deceived and to eat of or partake of ROTTEN FRUIT and be left with a belly ache at best and an emptier wallet and a feeling of being taken for a fool at worst....

4 gospels out of once more than 200

Seriously those 4 that contradict each other should be the only authoritative gospels?????

Jesus spoke in parables and metaphors but bible thumpers take the gospels as absolute fact?

They are religious text not history or science.