How Stalin saved Germany

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Stalin was the best friend of Germans that Germany could ever imagine. While Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to divide Germany into several separated states, Stalin proposed a united Germany.

"At the final session of the conference, held on December 1, Roosevelt outlined his own plan for the dismemberment of Germany into five autonomous states: the first was to include Prussia, in a truncated form, Hanover and the Northwest of the country. The second is Saxony and the Leipzig region, the third is Hesse-Darmstadt, Hesse-Kassel and areas south of the Rhine, the fourth is Bavaria, and the fifth is Baden-Württemberg.

Hamburg, the Ruhr, the Saar region and the Kiel Canal were proposed by the President of the United States to be placed under the control of the United Nations.

Roosevelt proposed dismembering Germany into five self-governing states and two major territories under UN trusteeship.

Churchill had his own plan, at first glance somewhat similar to the proposals of his American colleague. He believed that Germany should be divided into three parts: Prussia, Southern Germany, which should include Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, the Palatinate (that is, the Rhine Palatinate) from the Saar to Saxony and the Ruhr.

The head of Great Britain wanted to preserve Prussia as a national state, and to include the southern German lands in the so-called "Danube Federation". That is, to recreate something similar to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Behind all these gestures of Churchill, one could clearly see his great desire to put the Ruhr under his control, and therefore to dominate Europe.

Unlike his allies, Stalin took a different position. He refused to dismember Germany. Stalin was true to his words, expressed as early as February 1942 in the order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR: "It would be ridiculous to identify Hitler's clique with the German people, with the German state. Hitlers come and go, but the German people, but the German state remains."

The leader of the Soviet Union wanted to turn Nazi Germany into a single, peace-loving state."

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How should Germany look like in your opinion?
 
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You do realize Stalin murdered millions more than Hitler, right?
 
Nothing, which is why the Left continually tries to edit it to their liking.

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This is a history thread. It is not about whether today´s left or right is righteous. All I can say is that if you have good governance you don´t need to care for terms.

"DURING World War II, the idea of punishing Germany for obeying Hitler to the end and supporting the Nazi bid for world domination found strong backing. Many influential Allied leaders felt that the most telling reprisal could be inflicted on her by decreeing her dismemberment. This feeling reached its high point at the Yalta Conference. There a provision for dismemberment was added to the surrender instrument previously prepared for German signature, and a secret committee was established to study and report on the steps necessary for carrying the plan into execution. Three weeks after V-E Day, however, Marshal Stalin complained."


So, without Stalin´s intervention, they would have created a number of small German countries and international territories.
That is a historic fact, whether you like it or not.
 
Stalin was the best friend of Germans that Germany could ever imagine. While Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to divide Germany into several separated states, Stalin proposed a united Germany.

"At the final session of the conference, held on December 1, Roosevelt outlined his own plan for the dismemberment of Germany into five autonomous states: the first was to include Prussia, in a truncated form, Hanover and the Northwest of the country. The second is Saxony and the Leipzig region, the third is Hesse-Darmstadt, Hesse-Kassel and areas south of the Rhine, the fourth is Bavaria, and the fifth is Baden-Württemberg.

Hamburg, the Ruhr, the Saar region and the Kiel Canal were proposed by the President of the United States to be placed under the control of the United Nations.

Roosevelt proposed dismembering Germany into five self-governing states and two major territories under UN trusteeship.

Churchill had his own plan, at first glance somewhat similar to the proposals of his American colleague. He believed that Germany should be divided into three parts: Prussia, Southern Germany, which should include Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, the Palatinate (that is, the Rhine Palatinate) from the Saar to Saxony and the Ruhr.

The head of Great Britain wanted to preserve Prussia as a national state, and to include the southern German lands in the so-called "Danube Federation". That is, to recreate something similar to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Behind all these gestures of Churchill, one could clearly see his great desire to put the Ruhr under his control, and therefore to dominate Europe.

Unlike his allies, Stalin took a different position. He refused to dismember Germany. Stalin was true to his words, expressed as early as February 1942 in the order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR: "It would be ridiculous to identify Hitler's clique with the German people, with the German state. Hitlers come and go, but the German people, but the German state remains."

The leader of the Soviet Union wanted to turn Nazi Germany into a single, peace-loving state."

English Link


Original:


How should Germany look like in your opinion?

Oh Gody, anoter Russian Fucking Troll. Fuck Ivan. Fuck Putin.
 
This is a history thread. It is not about whether today´s left or right is righteous. All I can say is that if you have good governance you don´t need to care for terms.

"DURING World War II, the idea of punishing Germany for obeying Hitler to the end and supporting the Nazi bid for world domination found strong backing. Many influential Allied leaders felt that the most telling reprisal could be inflicted on her by decreeing her dismemberment. This feeling reached its high point at the Yalta Conference. There a provision for dismemberment was added to the surrender instrument previously prepared for German signature, and a secret committee was established to study and report on the steps necessary for carrying the plan into execution. Three weeks after V-E Day, however, Marshal Stalin complained."


So, without Stalin´s intervention, they would have created a number of small German countries and international territories.
That is a historic fact, whether you like it or not.
Germany had just tried to take over the world a second time

I see no problem with dividing the country to ensure that did not happen a third time.

 
Germany had just tried to take over the world a second time

I see no problem with dividing the country to ensure that did not happen a third time.


The Russian article is of the same opinion. Yet they pointed out that Russia didn´t only to have a hostile Germany now.

I think it is more complex and if every country that lost a war would have been abolished, hardly anyone would be present today.
 
Stalin was no friend to Germans but maybe he was a friend to socialist FDR who agreed to split Berlin and create what would become the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain. What was FDR thinking? Maybe he was a doddering old fool who wasn't capable of logical thinking.
 

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