How TRUMP's relationship to TRUTH has changed

[Dante]

It's become quite controversial. I believe it can not only successfully challenge personal and partisan narratives, but successfully challenge world views as well. Cognitive dissonances cannot escape the challenges either. Not everybody is a fan. It's called fact checking.

And fact checking has become a big business with claims made by Donald Trump. Why do I focus exclusively on him in this thread? Nobody else in America has faced such intense scrutiny on claims and facts. Mr. Trump's relationship to truth has been an issue since long before he entered the political scene. Long ago he proudly touted his relationship to things as "Truthful Hyperbole."

Fact Check:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One​

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

Former President Donald J. Trump’s penchant for fabrication and hyperbole has long been a core tenet of his bombastic persona and political messaging. Two campaigns, one term in the Oval Office and eight years later, Mr. Trump has loosened his grasp on the facts even more.

A comparison of his addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed, offering a glimpse of how he will likely cast himself on the campaign trail as he seeks to reclaim the White House.

In 2016, when he accepted the nomination after a bitter primary campaign, with doubts and skepticism lingering over his candidacy, Mr. Trump hewed closely to his prepared remarks and paid some heed to the facts.

Last Thursday, he stood before a party altered in his image, after four nights of allies, friends and former foes repeating falsehoods and exaggerations that have become a staple of his speeches, rallies and social media posts.

Here’s a breakdown:

Mr. Trump veered farther from the facts.​

Whereas many of Mr. Trump’s claims eight years ago contained a kernel of truth or simply omitted context, many of his claims during his acceptance speech last week were flat-out false.

Take, for example, his statements about crime.
...

Mr. Trump’s use of statistics in 2016 was also more precise.

Warnings about immigration were more fantastical.​

The list of inaccurate superlatives has grown.​

Mr. Trump sometimes has a point when diagnosing an issue or boasting about an accomplishment, yet he exaggerates anyway.

His attacks on his opponents were still hyperbolic.

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Dante]

Just a few facts:




there's more...

Opinion | Don’t Take Trump’s Word for It. Check the Data.

Don’t Take Trump’s Word for It. Check the Data.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MisterBeale]

It's become quite controversial. I believe it can not only successfully challenge personal and partisan narratives, but successfully challenge world views as well. Cognitive dissonances cannot escape the challenges either. Not everybody is a fan. It's called fact checking.

And fact checking has become a big business with claims made by Donald Trump. Why do I focus exclusively on him in this thread? Nobody else in America has faced such intense scrutiny on claims and facts. Mr. Trump's relationship to truth has been an issue since long before he entered the political scene. Long ago he proudly touted his relationship to things as "Truthful Hyperbole."

Fact Check:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One​

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

Former President Donald J. Trump’s penchant for fabrication and hyperbole has long been a core tenet of his bombastic persona and political messaging. Two campaigns, one term in the Oval Office and eight years later, Mr. Trump has loosened his grasp on the facts even more.

A comparison of his addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed, offering a glimpse of how he will likely cast himself on the campaign trail as he seeks to reclaim the White House.

In 2016, when he accepted the nomination after a bitter primary campaign, with doubts and skepticism lingering over his candidacy, Mr. Trump hewed closely to his prepared remarks and paid some heed to the facts.

Last Thursday, he stood before a party altered in his image, after four nights of allies, friends and former foes repeating falsehoods and exaggerations that have become a staple of his speeches, rallies and social media posts.

Here’s a breakdown:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

www.nytimes.com

From your NYT piece;

According to their. . . well, less than reliable links;

https://archive.ph/fmDzM

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

And. . .

https://archive.ph/48BJS

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2024-quarterly-crime-report-and-use-of-force-data-update

So why are these. . . so called, "facts," unreliable and manipulated by the establishment and the government? Why is this the type of shit Russia and China do?

Let is dive deeper, into the failing government and NYT, and find out why they are gas-lighting the fuck out of you, as they always have. Intelligent folks know, the NYT is nothing but government and corporate propaganda. This is not to say Trump is completely honest, hell no. But come on. This is a shit rag that lies as much as Trump does..


So, where is the hard proof of this lie they the FBI, the Biden admin is selling you that crime is falling. . . HERE;

Explaining Immigration Policy (in four commentaries)

You're referring to a few isolated incident by many millions of good people. And I'll have to leave it at that because you're only getting yourself more upset and agitated. I hope you find that a satisfying way of winning the debate! Another 12 year old girl killed in Houston by two...

www.usmessageboard.com

"IMO? Leaving the connection between the Cartels and the DNC is missing a giant hole in the picture.

I really do think there was a reason Eric Holder refused to go before congress, and was in contempt. Likewise, there is a reason that election in Arizona was so contested, IMO.

Why have they been gaslighing the nation that crime has been going down, when it has actually been going up?


The reason that the mass media and the Biden admin keep parroting a drop in crime rates, while everyone sees crime increasing in the major blue cities, is a change in how crime is reported and new systems put in place which localities aren't using.

I have long been puzzling over this in a big way. But I got to the bottom of it.

Over and over, I hear one thing, but in the news, I see another. They say, according to stats, crime has fallen, yet we hear, story after story, it doesn't seem that way. . . this is a puzzle.



I think I may have found the answer.

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics​

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.​

October 5, 2022

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics - Poynter

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.

www.poynter.org

"The FBI will release its first full report on crime trends in the United States today based exclusively on its new incident reporting system. The report traditionally drops the last Monday of September, but it did not appear last week.

This new National Incident-Based Reporting System will be fertile ground for those who want to distort or exaggerate crime trends for political or commercial reasons. And, it lays bare a dirty secret about counting crime in the United States: As a nation, we keep horrible, incomplete data that makes it impossible to get an accurate sense of the scope or impact of crime. . . "

<snip>

". . .Incomplete data:A full third of all the police agencies in the U.S. did not submit any data to the FBI for this report, including some of the largest cities in the country. As a result, the FBI will fill in the blanks with estimates as it calculates national, state and regional crime trends and provide confidence intervals for those estimates. In short, each crime statistic published by the FBI will be presented as a range of possible values rather than as a specific number. Reporters using the data will have to check the notes to see if trends for their local areas are based on actual data or estimates. If estimates are involved, it will be critical to include a clear caveat describing the margin of error.

<snip>

". . . Unaudited and unreliable: There are no checks and balances on the gathering of this data. No third party routinely audits law enforcement agencies to ensure they are counting crimes accurately. As a result, there are inconsistencies from agency to agency about what counts as reported crimes. And there are numerous examples of police using bureaucratic smokescreens to deliberately manipulate crime numbers, sometimes to make crime seem scarier, sometimes to make crime seem to be less of a problem, sometimes to make it seem like they are solving more crimes, and sometimes to undercount specific types of crimes. . . . "

FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies​

FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the NYPD, LAPD and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system.

www.usatoday.com

". . . The FBI reported a 4.3% estimated increase in murders in 2021 and a negligible 1% decrease in overall violent crime Wednesday, relying on an alternate reporting system. At the same time, officials acknowledged about 48% of the country's eligible police agencies, or 9,700, had not submitted 12 months of data to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) by the March 14 deadline.

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the New York Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system, the officials said.

Federal authorities said all of the jurisdictions have committed to providing the information, yet some agencies are operating on timelines slowed by a lack of funding, personnel shortages or delays in acquiring technology. . . ."

The FBI's new crime report is in, but it's incomplete​

October 5, 2022 4:20 PM ET

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

"Crime is a huge topic in elections this November, and the FBI has now entered the chat. It has just released the Crime in the Nation report for 2021. But the bureau switched the way it collects crime data this year, and many police departments did not get on board. Los Angeles and New York City did not report to the FBI. In fact, only 63% of the country's police departments submitted anything, and some of the data that was submitted was incomplete. Weihua Li of The Marshall Project has been poring over the FBI's findings. Hey there.. . "

<snip>
". . LI: Yeah, for sure. So we have some states like California and Florida, where almost no agency in that state submitted any data to the FBI. And there are also a lot of larger cities. You know, the largest police department, New York Police Department, didn't submit anything to the FBI. So a lot of blind spots.

KELLY: A lot of blind spots. I mean, I'm wondering how accurate the numbers can possibly be if - just to take the two biggest cities in the country, New York and LA, they didn't report at all.

LI: Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's something that criminologists and people who work in criminal justice have been very worried about for a while now. So the FBI is used to receiving data from more than 90% of police departments across the country. But like you said earlier, in 2021, because they changed their data collection method, the number have dropped to roughly 60%. So instead of saying a finite number, you know, X number of crimes took place, they're saying we think the range of crime that took place in 2021 is somewhere between Y and Z. So for violent crime, property crime and homicides, the number of crimes could have gone up, gone down or stayed the same. We really don't know. . . "

Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data

Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.

www.themarshallproject.org

So now. . .. explain to me why the Biden administration changed how the FBI gathered up the crime reporting to make it appear to partisans like you. . . to gaslight the population that crime is going down, when actually it is rising, to get re-elected. . .

How do his donors and folks like you profit off of this?

I have, myself, always suspected that the DNC is more infiltrated by the cartels south of the border, and now you have just confirmed it for me. . . is there another connection I am missing?


IMO? The only folks that still spread this narrative of, "declining crime?" When we all see it increasing? Are ether;

1) Terminally stoopid.

2) Hyper-partisan

3) On the payroll of the cartels.

4) All three.

Democrats and the Cartels​

One hand washes the other​

Democrats and the Cartels

One hand washes the other

daveziffer.substack.com

Democrats and the Cartels

One hand washes the other

daveziffer.substack.com

YOUR IQ TEST

". . . There is something weird about the “conservative” media’s inability to see the patterns here. Conservatives complain constantly about the nefarious activities of Democrats, but they never seem to connect the dots into a larger picture. While fixating on the details of each day’s Democrat outrage, conservative journalists don’t seem to talk about what the Democratic Party has become and what its motives might be.

If we are going to make progress, we’ll need to put on our thinking caps. So hold on folks. This is an IQ test:

Q: Why would a political party relentlessly enact laws to:

• reduce the severity of crime classifications (e.g. turn felonies into misdemeanors),
• eliminate bail,
• reduce jail time for crimes in all categories,
• endorse district attorneys who don’t prosecute crimes,
• install public defenders as prosecutors,
• stay (i.e. cancel) the sentences of chronic repeat offenders,
• support the elimination of police,
• and prosecute police for using force against dangerous assailants?

Q: Why would a political party practice an open-borders policy with Mexico, where:

• cartels control the political process,
• cartels control the press,
• cartels murder anyone who opposes them or talks about them,
• cartels transport humans, including sex slaves and minors, across the border,
• and cartels effectively control the U.S. / Mexican border?

Q: Why would a political party pursue election-related policies that:

• allow illegal aliens, who are by definition criminals, to vote,
• allow felons to vote (professionals regard jail time as a routine cost of doing business),
• make it impossible to determine whether any ballot anywhere is legitimate,
• and eliminate all supervision of the vast majority of all cast ballots?

Q: Why would a political party facilitate cartel business by:

• creating (ironically named) “safe injection sites”,
• reducing penalties for use of illegal drugs,
• reducing penalties for transport & sale of illegal drugs,
• and staying the sentences of multiply convicted criminal offenders?

Q: Why would a political party complain constantly about historical slavery while:

• facilitating illegal human trafficking across our border,
• financing and legalizing abortion, thereby keeping sex slaves on the street,
• inducing ever-younger children to regard sexual activity as normal,
• removing the roadblocks to legalizing pedophilia,
• and being completely opaque about where all these illegal aliens are ending up?

Q: Why would a political party help cartels rule unopposed by:

• constantly passing gun laws that only law-abiding citizens would observe,
• restricting semi-automatic rifles (while cartels use fully automatic machine guns),
• restricting magazine sizes (while cartels use whatever they want in unlimited quantities),
• and restricting civilian ownership of “assault rifles” used heavily by military operations (like cartels)?

Q: Why would a “democratic” political party:

• demonize anyone critical of open borders,
• engage with media companies to censor and de-platform its critics,
• and constantly attempt to establish a national “disinformation” authority?

My hope is that your pattern recognition skills will be jogged by my listing all these things together. There’s no formal time limit for completing this test, but every day that you fail is a day closer to our losing our country forever. . . ""

BUT?

Yesterday I came across solid evidence, that indeed, our establishment is corrupted. Someone from the DNC has come forward.

Whistleblower: I Was Fired By HHS for INVESTIGATING MS-13 Trafficking of Migrant Kids​

Premiered Jul 11, 2024

 

[MisterBeale]

So. . . if you can't Trust the establishment and the NYT on something as simple and basic as to get this right?

Screw the rest of that article. Nothing but lies.

 

[Dante]

From your NYT piece;

View attachment 983114

According to their. . . well, less than reliable links;

https://archive.ph/fmDzM

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

View attachment 983115


And. . .

https://archive.ph/48BJS

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2024-quarterly-crime-report-and-use-of-force-data-update

View attachment 983116



So why are these. . . so called, "facts," unreliable and manipulated by the establishment and the government? Why is this the type of shit Russia and China do?

Let is dive deeper, into the failing government and NYT, and find out why they are gas-lighting the fuck out of you, as they always have. Intelligent folks know, the NYT is nothing but government and corporate propaganda. This is not to say Trump is completely honest, hell no. But come on. This is a shit rag that lies as much as Trump does..


So, where is the hard proof of this lie they the FBI, the Biden admin is selling you that crime is falling. . . HERE;

Explaining Immigration Policy (in four commentaries)

You're referring to a few isolated incident by many millions of good people. And I'll have to leave it at that because you're only getting yourself more upset and agitated. I hope you find that a satisfying way of winning the debate! Another 12 year old girl killed in Houston by two...

www.usmessageboard.com

"IMO? Leaving the connection between the Cartels and the DNC is missing a giant hole in the picture.

I really do think there was a reason Eric Holder refused to go before congress, and was in contempt. Likewise, there is a reason that election in Arizona was so contested, IMO.

Why have they been gaslighing the nation that crime has been going down, when it has actually been going up?


The reason that the mass media and the Biden admin keep parroting a drop in crime rates, while everyone sees crime increasing in the major blue cities, is a change in how crime is reported and new systems put in place which localities aren't using.

I have long been puzzling over this in a big way. But I got to the bottom of it.

Over and over, I hear one thing, but in the news, I see another. They say, according to stats, crime has fallen, yet we hear, story after story, it doesn't seem that way. . . this is a puzzle.



I think I may have found the answer.

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics​

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.​

October 5, 2022

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics - Poynter

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.

www.poynter.org

"The FBI will release its first full report on crime trends in the United States today based exclusively on its new incident reporting system. The report traditionally drops the last Monday of September, but it did not appear last week.

This new National Incident-Based Reporting System will be fertile ground for those who want to distort or exaggerate crime trends for political or commercial reasons. And, it lays bare a dirty secret about counting crime in the United States: As a nation, we keep horrible, incomplete data that makes it impossible to get an accurate sense of the scope or impact of crime. . . "

<snip>

". . .Incomplete data:A full third of all the police agencies in the U.S. did not submit any data to the FBI for this report, including some of the largest cities in the country. As a result, the FBI will fill in the blanks with estimates as it calculates national, state and regional crime trends and provide confidence intervals for those estimates. In short, each crime statistic published by the FBI will be presented as a range of possible values rather than as a specific number. Reporters using the data will have to check the notes to see if trends for their local areas are based on actual data or estimates. If estimates are involved, it will be critical to include a clear caveat describing the margin of error.

<snip>

". . . Unaudited and unreliable: There are no checks and balances on the gathering of this data. No third party routinely audits law enforcement agencies to ensure they are counting crimes accurately. As a result, there are inconsistencies from agency to agency about what counts as reported crimes. And there are numerous examples of police using bureaucratic smokescreens to deliberately manipulate crime numbers, sometimes to make crime seem scarier, sometimes to make crime seem to be less of a problem, sometimes to make it seem like they are solving more crimes, and sometimes to undercount specific types of crimes. . . . "

FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies​

FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the NYPD, LAPD and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system.

www.usatoday.com

". . . The FBI reported a 4.3% estimated increase in murders in 2021 and a negligible 1% decrease in overall violent crime Wednesday, relying on an alternate reporting system. At the same time, officials acknowledged about 48% of the country's eligible police agencies, or 9,700, had not submitted 12 months of data to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) by the March 14 deadline.

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the New York Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system, the officials said.

Federal authorities said all of the jurisdictions have committed to providing the information, yet some agencies are operating on timelines slowed by a lack of funding, personnel shortages or delays in acquiring technology. . . ."

The FBI's new crime report is in, but it's incomplete​

October 5, 2022 4:20 PM ET

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

"Crime is a huge topic in elections this November, and the FBI has now entered the chat. It has just released the Crime in the Nation report for 2021. But the bureau switched the way it collects crime data this year, and many police departments did not get on board. Los Angeles and New York City did not report to the FBI. In fact, only 63% of the country's police departments submitted anything, and some of the data that was submitted was incomplete. Weihua Li of The Marshall Project has been poring over the FBI's findings. Hey there.. . "

<snip>
". . LI: Yeah, for sure. So we have some states like California and Florida, where almost no agency in that state submitted any data to the FBI. And there are also a lot of larger cities. You know, the largest police department, New York Police Department, didn't submit anything to the FBI. So a lot of blind spots.

KELLY: A lot of blind spots. I mean, I'm wondering how accurate the numbers can possibly be if - just to take the two biggest cities in the country, New York and LA, they didn't report at all.

LI: Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's something that criminologists and people who work in criminal justice have been very worried about for a while now. So the FBI is used to receiving data from more than 90% of police departments across the country. But like you said earlier, in 2021, because they changed their data collection method, the number have dropped to roughly 60%. So instead of saying a finite number, you know, X number of crimes took place, they're saying we think the range of crime that took place in 2021 is somewhere between Y and Z. So for violent crime, property crime and homicides, the number of crimes could have gone up, gone down or stayed the same. We really don't know. . . "

Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data

Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.

www.themarshallproject.org

So now. . .. explain to me why the Biden administration changed how the FBI gathered up the crime reporting to make it appear to partisans like you. . . to gaslight the population that crime is going down, when actually it is rising, to get re-elected. . .

How do his donors and folks like you profit off of this?

I have, myself, always suspected that the DNC is more infiltrated by the cartels south of the border, and now you have just confirmed it for me. . . is there another connection I am missing?


IMO? The only folks that still spread this narrative of, "declining crime?" When we all see it increasing? Are ether;

1) Terminally stoopid.

2) Hyper-partisan

3) On the payroll of the cartels.

4) All three.

Democrats and the Cartels​

One hand washes the other​

Democrats and the Cartels

One hand washes the other

daveziffer.substack.com

Democrats and the Cartels

One hand washes the other

daveziffer.substack.com

YOUR IQ TEST

". . . There is something weird about the “conservative” media’s inability to see the patterns here. Conservatives complain constantly about the nefarious activities of Democrats, but they never seem to connect the dots into a larger picture. While fixating on the details of each day’s Democrat outrage, conservative journalists don’t seem to talk about what the Democratic Party has become and what its motives might be.

If we are going to make progress, we’ll need to put on our thinking caps. So hold on folks. This is an IQ test:

Q: Why would a political party relentlessly enact laws to:

• reduce the severity of crime classifications (e.g. turn felonies into misdemeanors),
• eliminate bail,
• reduce jail time for crimes in all categories,
• endorse district attorneys who don’t prosecute crimes,
• install public defenders as prosecutors,
• stay (i.e. cancel) the sentences of chronic repeat offenders,
• support the elimination of police,
• and prosecute police for using force against dangerous assailants?

Q: Why would a political party practice an open-borders policy with Mexico, where:

• cartels control the political process,
• cartels control the press,
• cartels murder anyone who opposes them or talks about them,
• cartels transport humans, including sex slaves and minors, across the border,
• and cartels effectively control the U.S. / Mexican border?

Q: Why would a political party pursue election-related policies that:

• allow illegal aliens, who are by definition criminals, to vote,
• allow felons to vote (professionals regard jail time as a routine cost of doing business),
• make it impossible to determine whether any ballot anywhere is legitimate,
• and eliminate all supervision of the vast majority of all cast ballots?

Q: Why would a political party facilitate cartel business by:

• creating (ironically named) “safe injection sites”,
• reducing penalties for use of illegal drugs,
• reducing penalties for transport & sale of illegal drugs,
• and staying the sentences of multiply convicted criminal offenders?

Q: Why would a political party complain constantly about historical slavery while:

• facilitating illegal human trafficking across our border,
• financing and legalizing abortion, thereby keeping sex slaves on the street,
• inducing ever-younger children to regard sexual activity as normal,
• removing the roadblocks to legalizing pedophilia,
• and being completely opaque about where all these illegal aliens are ending up?

Q: Why would a political party help cartels rule unopposed by:

• constantly passing gun laws that only law-abiding citizens would observe,
• restricting semi-automatic rifles (while cartels use fully automatic machine guns),
• restricting magazine sizes (while cartels use whatever they want in unlimited quantities),
• and restricting civilian ownership of “assault rifles” used heavily by military operations (like cartels)?

Q: Why would a “democratic” political party:

• demonize anyone critical of open borders,
• engage with media companies to censor and de-platform its critics,
• and constantly attempt to establish a national “disinformation” authority?

My hope is that your pattern recognition skills will be jogged by my listing all these things together. There’s no formal time limit for completing this test, but every day that you fail is a day closer to our losing our country forever. . . ""

BUT?

Yesterday I came across solid evidence, that indeed, our establishment is corrupted. Someone from the DNC has come forward.

Whistleblower: I Was Fired By HHS for INVESTIGATING MS-13 Trafficking of Migrant Kids​

Premiered Jul 11, 2024

Wow!

Didn't sleep well the last few nights? This is some -- uhm -- post.

 

[Dante]

So. . . if you can't Trust the establishment and the NYT on something as simple and basic as to get this right?

Screw the rest of that article. Nothing but lies.

thank you:

It's become quite controversial. I believe it can not only successfully challenge personal and partisan narratives, but successfully challenge world views as well. Cognitive dissonances cannot escape the challenges either. Not everybody is a fan. It's called fact checking.

And fact checking has become a big business with claims made by Donald Trump. Why do I focus exclusively on him in this thread? Nobody else in America has faced such intense scrutiny on claims and facts. Mr. Trump's relationship to truth has been an issue since long before he entered the political scene. Long ago he proudly touted his relationship to things as "Truthful Hyperbole."

 

[MisterBeale]

Wow!

Didn't sleep well the last few nights? This is some -- uhm -- post.

I just had researched that issue before.

I was aware before. I just pulled up previous postings on the issue.


Why the hell was the establishment and Biden telling us crime was going down, and yet I am seeing reports of increasing crime everywhere.

. . . and then I see, even in liberal sources, reports that the FBI is not receiving complete crime data.

What the ever living fuck?

And now reports that Homeland is suppressing whistleblowers of cartel trafficking, just like they did back before Trump issued his executive orders?

What the ever living fuck?

Trafficked in America (full documentary) | FRONTLINE​

C'mon Dante', you know I have no dog in this fight. I just want the truth here. Stahp already.

 

[Dante]

Why the hell was the establishment and Biden telling us crime was going down, and yet I am seeing reports of increasing crime everywhere.

Sorry, but YouTube and Wingnut websites are...

What they are.

 

[MisterBeale]

Sorry, but YouTube and Wingnut websites are...

These are the sources I quoted;

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics - Poynter

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.

www.poynter.org

Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data

Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.

www.themarshallproject.org

The Hill - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

. . . all of these are in the center or on the left. Tell me which ones you bleev are, "wing-nut?"

. . . and here is the transcript of the whistleblower who was a member of the DNC;

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/rodas-testimony.pdf

 

[MisterBeale]

What they are.

nope. You are just making excuses for not accepting reality.

 

[Dante]

Just a few facts:

View attachment 983111View attachment 983113View attachment 983112


there's more...

Opinion | Don’t Take Trump’s Word for It. Check the Data.

Don’t Take Trump’s Word for It. Check the Data.

www.nytimes.com

Poor Beale

 

[surada]

I just had researched that issue before.

I was aware before. I just pulled up previous postings on the issue.


Why the hell was the establishment and Biden telling us crime was going down, and yet I am seeing reports of increasing crime everywhere.

. . . and then I see, even in liberal sources, reports that the FBI is not receiving complete crime data.

What the ever living fuck?

And now reports that Homeland is suppressing whistleblowers of cartel trafficking, just like they did back before Trump issued his executive orders?

What the ever living fuck?

Trafficked in America (full documentary) | FRONTLINE​

C'mon Dante', you know I have no dog in this fight. I just want the truth here. Stahp already.

So where is Trump getting his information?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Sorry, but YouTube and Wingnut websites are...

What they are.

Your worst enemy......reality.

 

[Dante]

Your worst enemy......reality.

...

 

[HikerGuy83]

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This certainly won't work on you. You have no mind to control.

 

[Independent thinker]

It's become quite controversial. I believe it can not only successfully challenge personal and partisan narratives, but successfully challenge world views as well. Cognitive dissonances cannot escape the challenges either. Not everybody is a fan. It's called fact checking.

And fact checking has become a big business with claims made by Donald Trump. Why do I focus exclusively on him in this thread? Nobody else in America has faced such intense scrutiny on claims and facts. Mr. Trump's relationship to truth has been an issue since long before he entered the political scene. Long ago he proudly touted his relationship to things as "Truthful Hyperbole."

Fact Check:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One​

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

Former President Donald J. Trump’s penchant for fabrication and hyperbole has long been a core tenet of his bombastic persona and political messaging. Two campaigns, one term in the Oval Office and eight years later, Mr. Trump has loosened his grasp on the facts even more.

A comparison of his addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed, offering a glimpse of how he will likely cast himself on the campaign trail as he seeks to reclaim the White House.

In 2016, when he accepted the nomination after a bitter primary campaign, with doubts and skepticism lingering over his candidacy, Mr. Trump hewed closely to his prepared remarks and paid some heed to the facts.

Last Thursday, he stood before a party altered in his image, after four nights of allies, friends and former foes repeating falsehoods and exaggerations that have become a staple of his speeches, rallies and social media posts.

Here’s a breakdown:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

www.nytimes.com

Well, I will admit that democrat's relationship with the truth has not changed. They lie all the time.

 

[Delldude]

It's become quite controversial. I believe it can not only successfully challenge personal and partisan narratives, but successfully challenge world views as well. Cognitive dissonances cannot escape the challenges either. Not everybody is a fan. It's called fact checking.

And fact checking has become a big business with claims made by Donald Trump. Why do I focus exclusively on him in this thread? Nobody else in America has faced such intense scrutiny on claims and facts. Mr. Trump's relationship to truth has been an issue since long before he entered the political scene. Long ago he proudly touted his relationship to things as "Truthful Hyperbole."

Fact Check:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One​

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

Former President Donald J. Trump’s penchant for fabrication and hyperbole has long been a core tenet of his bombastic persona and political messaging. Two campaigns, one term in the Oval Office and eight years later, Mr. Trump has loosened his grasp on the facts even more.

A comparison of his addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed, offering a glimpse of how he will likely cast himself on the campaign trail as he seeks to reclaim the White House.

In 2016, when he accepted the nomination after a bitter primary campaign, with doubts and skepticism lingering over his candidacy, Mr. Trump hewed closely to his prepared remarks and paid some heed to the facts.

Last Thursday, he stood before a party altered in his image, after four nights of allies, friends and former foes repeating falsehoods and exaggerations that have become a staple of his speeches, rallies and social media posts.

Here’s a breakdown:

Trump’s 2024 Convention Speech Had More Falsehoods Than His 2016 One

A comparison of former President Donald J. Trump’s addresses before the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2024 demonstrates how his relationship to the truth has changed.

www.nytimes.com

But when Biden and the Dems do it, we just look the other way ......

 

[surada]

Your worst enemy......reality.

Trump hasn't got a brain in his head.

Trump Mercilessly Mocked Over Frighteningly False Tariff Claim

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

www.huffpost.com

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

Mark Cuban joined a number of critics who mocked Donald Trump on Saturday after the Republican presidential nominee’s false claim that imposing tariffs doesn’t “affect our country.”

The former president, in a meandering speech at a campaign rally, pledged to impose tariffs on foreign-made products from China and other countries in order to bring jobs “back home” in an effort to take in “billions and billions of dollars.”

 

[Dante]

Trump hasn't got a brain in his head.

Trump Mercilessly Mocked Over Frighteningly False Tariff Claim

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

www.huffpost.com

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

Mark Cuban joined a number of critics who mocked Donald Trump on Saturday after the Republican presidential nominee’s false claim that imposing tariffs doesn’t “affect our country.”

The former president, in a meandering speech at a campaign rally, pledged to impose tariffs on foreign-made products from China and other countries in order to bring jobs “back home” in an effort to take in “billions and billions of dollars.”

keeper post

 

[Delldude]

Trump hasn't got a brain in his head.

Trump Mercilessly Mocked Over Frighteningly False Tariff Claim

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

www.huffpost.com

The former president described his proposal to impose tariffs on foreign-made products as a tax that "doesn't affect our country."

Mark Cuban joined a number of critics who mocked Donald Trump on Saturday after the Republican presidential nominee’s false claim that imposing tariffs doesn’t “affect our country.”

The former president, in a meandering speech at a campaign rally, pledged to impose tariffs on foreign-made products from China and other countries in order to bring jobs “back home” in an effort to take in “billions and billions of dollars.”

Depends how the tarrifs are structured.