In search of the source of trump's affection for Vlad.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those with even a modicum of understanding of the past 30 years of history know that the U.S. and NATO have been antagonizing Moscow, daring them to pick a fight for the entire time since the Soviet Union collapsed. They broke the promise made to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward, jettisoned the ABM treaty, deposed an elected President in Ukraine who promised to remain neutral, installed offensive missile launchers in Eastern Europe, and more.

Trump knows something that no other American politician will admit: The war in Russia could have been avoided if the U.S., NATO, or Ukraine had simply assured Putin that Ukraine would remain neutral - not under Russian domination, and not a member of NATO - just neutral.

And that is where we are headed today. At the end of the negotiations, Ukraine will be neutral - not a NATO member - and the fighting will end. Other details will be worked out, mainly how much of the former Ukraine will Russia retain, but the main point is that Ukraine will be neutral.

Those of us who have swallowed the Media and NeoCon characterizations of events over that time period - "Putin is evil!" - will characterize that resolution as Trump caving in to Putin.

What can I say? It is just stupid.

They broke the promise made to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward,

Promise? Like a pinky promise?

jettisoned the ABM treaty

We shouldn't defend ourselves from nuclear missiles?

installed offensive missile launchers in Eastern Europe, and more.

Where? When?

 

[berg80]

Too flexible?
Need a reset?

Dude. You're a one trick pony. Read and learn.

U.S. launches long-awaited European missile defense shield

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

www.cnn.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dude. You're a one trick pony. Read and learn.

U.S. launches long-awaited European missile defense shield

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

www.cnn.com

I know, after being all flexible with Putin, Obama finally gave in
and built the missile defense he tried to stall for so long.

 

[Crepitus]

Look at the praise he has so often heaped on Putin, Xi and the fat Korean kid.

It's always about two things: Strength (and who knows what his definition of that is) and loyalty (everyone does what they're told or else). I think he looks at himself, Putin and Xi as co-rulers of the world. And that he'd stab them both in the back at the first chance.

He has a profound need to appear strong and feel protected/admired. His family has talked about this: It goes back to his lousy relationship with his awful father. Then the flock buys it because he makes THEM feel strong for being a part of this.

I'm with you on all of that except I do not think he's stab Putin in the back. I don't think he has the balls.

 

[Crepitus]

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

The system, to be operated by NATO, is getting up and running nearly a decade after the U.S. first announced plans to do so, only to encounter pushback from Russia. The U.S. has long insisted that the shield is directed against rogue states like Iran and not intended to target Moscow’s missiles, but Russian officials have slammed the move as an “attempt to destroy the strategic balance” in Europe.

U.S. launches long-awaited European missile defense shield

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

www.cnn.com

Do you get a news feed straight from the Kremlin?

I'm pretty sure there are several here who get more than that from the Kremlin.

Paychecks, for instance...

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump’s Affinity for Putin Grows More Consequential Than Ever

In early 2017, American intelligence agencies delivered an unequivocal judgment about why President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered a sprawling effort to sabotage the recent American presidential election.

Mr. Putin wanted to cripple the faith Americans have in their own elections, they found, and to undermine a United States-led “liberal world order” that the Russians see as a threat to their security. As a way to achieve this goal, the assessment found, Russia worked to help Donald J. Trump win the election.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump sat in the Oval Office for a blustery meeting with President Voldymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and rendered, once again, his own judgment on that period. There was no Russian sabotage, just a “phony witch hunt” of which both he and Mr. Putin were victims.

“Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” he said.

The statement was a tell. The president sees common cause with Mr. Putin, a merging of interests forged through battles against those he believes are his and Mr. Putin’s mutual adversaries — including Democratic lawmakers, European leaders and a spectral “deep state” inside the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/...putin-grows-more-consequential-than-ever.html

Putin could not have chosen a more willing partner than trump to achieve his goal of undermining faith in our elections. Don started saying the 2016 election was rigged months before any votes were cast. Even after he won he claimed, without evidence, millions of votes for Hillary were fraudulent.

Trump also seems hellbent to see the US recede as the leader of the free world by taking a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

In these ways he sees himself as being aligned with Putin, because he is. As evidenced by the shocking events at the 2018 Helsinki conference and his parroting of Russian talking points during the recent, now infamous, Oval Office meeting with Zelenskyy.

It's weird to have the POTUS find common ground with, and affection for, a murderous dictator, right? It will never be normal, but it's the new reality.

In search of the source of your inability to see a nuclear WWIII on the horizon.

 

[Crepitus]

LMAO

Yeah, when was he elected again? What was the date and when was the next election supposedly to occur?

How about the state run media being lapdogs of his?

How many opponents of his policy are currently in jail?

I'll be you don't even know.

Piss off killer.

You do know that most countries do that during wartime, right?

 

[Crepitus]

Prog idiot politicians and elites spouting you will drive an electric car, or we will kill you.

Once again, totally random off topic bullshit from the maybe bot.

 

[Darkwind]

Ukraine's constitution prohibits elections during times when martial law is in effect.

"How many opponents of his policy are currently in jail?"

You're saying putting political opponents in jail, like trump has promised to do, is a sign of a dictatorship?

 

[Darkwind]

You do know that most countries do that during wartime, right?

You do know that under no circumstances would YOU or the LEFT tolerate the suspension of elections in America during a war UNLESS, of course, it was a dictator YOU wanted to keep in Office.

 

[Crepitus]

You do know that under no circumstances would YOU or the LEFT tolerate the suspension of elections in America during a war UNLESS, of course, it was a dictator YOU wanted to keep in Office.

And now you are just projecting.

We are done here.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump’s Affinity for Putin Grows More Consequential Than Ever

In early 2017, American intelligence agencies delivered an unequivocal judgment about why President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered a sprawling effort to sabotage the recent American presidential election.

Mr. Putin wanted to cripple the faith Americans have in their own elections, they found, and to undermine a United States-led “liberal world order” that the Russians see as a threat to their security. As a way to achieve this goal, the assessment found, Russia worked to help Donald J. Trump win the election.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump sat in the Oval Office for a blustery meeting with President Voldymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and rendered, once again, his own judgment on that period. There was no Russian sabotage, just a “phony witch hunt” of which both he and Mr. Putin were victims.

“Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” he said.

The statement was a tell. The president sees common cause with Mr. Putin, a merging of interests forged through battles against those he believes are his and Mr. Putin’s mutual adversaries — including Democratic lawmakers, European leaders and a spectral “deep state” inside the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/...putin-grows-more-consequential-than-ever.html

Putin could not have chosen a more willing partner than trump to achieve his goal of undermining faith in our elections. Don started saying the 2016 election was rigged months before any votes were cast. Even after he won he claimed, without evidence, millions of votes for Hillary were fraudulent.

Trump also seems hellbent to see the US recede as the leader of the free world by taking a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

In these ways he sees himself as being aligned with Putin, because he is. As evidenced by the shocking events at the 2018 Helsinki conference and his parroting of Russian talking points during the recent, now infamous, Oval Office meeting with Zelenskyy.

It's weird to have the POTUS find common ground with, and affection for, a murderous dictator, right? It will never be normal, but it's the new reality.

 

[dudmuck]

You do know that under no circumstances would YOU or the LEFT tolerate the suspension of elections in America during a war UNLESS, of course, it was a dictator YOU wanted to keep in Office.

the election tactically cant be held due to much of the population residing in neighboring countries. Then, inside ukraine, how to vote when the air-raid sirens are going off while under attack.

 

[jknowgood]

Trump’s Affinity for Putin Grows More Consequential Than Ever

In early 2017, American intelligence agencies delivered an unequivocal judgment about why President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered a sprawling effort to sabotage the recent American presidential election.

Mr. Putin wanted to cripple the faith Americans have in their own elections, they found, and to undermine a United States-led “liberal world order” that the Russians see as a threat to their security. As a way to achieve this goal, the assessment found, Russia worked to help Donald J. Trump win the election.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump sat in the Oval Office for a blustery meeting with President Voldymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and rendered, once again, his own judgment on that period. There was no Russian sabotage, just a “phony witch hunt” of which both he and Mr. Putin were victims.

“Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” he said.

The statement was a tell. The president sees common cause with Mr. Putin, a merging of interests forged through battles against those he believes are his and Mr. Putin’s mutual adversaries — including Democratic lawmakers, European leaders and a spectral “deep state” inside the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/...putin-grows-more-consequential-than-ever.html

Putin could not have chosen a more willing partner than trump to achieve his goal of undermining faith in our elections. Don started saying the 2016 election was rigged months before any votes were cast. Even after he won he claimed, without evidence, millions of votes for Hillary were fraudulent.

Trump also seems hellbent to see the US recede as the leader of the free world by taking a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

In these ways he sees himself as being aligned with Putin, because he is. As evidenced by the shocking events at the 2018 Helsinki conference and his parroting of Russian talking points during the recent, now infamous, Oval Office meeting with Zelenskyy.

It's weird to have the POTUS find common ground with, and affection for, a murderous dictator, right? It will never be normal, but it's the new reality.

Yet most Americans voted for that, instead of your parties views. That should make you think.

 

[jknowgood]

I'm pretty sure there are several here who get more than that from the Kremlin.

Paychecks, for instance...

Hunter got paychecks from Putin. Enough that Biden pulled the sanctions on Putin's pipeline. That gave him the money to start his war.

 

[Crepitus]

Hunter got paychecks from Putin. Enough that Biden pulled the sanctions on Putin's pipeline. That gave him the money to start his war.

YOu know that was a lie, right?

 

[jknowgood]

YOu know that was a lie, right?

Hunter received 4 million and putin got his pipeline. That's the truth.

 

[Crepitus]

Hunter received 4 million and putin got his pipeline. That's the truth.

No, no it's not.

 

[jknowgood]

No, no it's not.

Yes it is, both those things happened.

 

[Darkwind]

And now you are just projecting.

We are done here.

Correct. YOU are done here.