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Fuck the UN.If Canada invaded Illinois and took possession of it the US would have a choice, give up the land or fight for it back. If they choose to give up the land, Like the Lebanese and Egyptians did then it belongs to the victor and so do all it's inhabitants.This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.P F Tinmore, et al,
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You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)
Most Respectfully,
R
In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.
Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”
The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.
What violation of law was that? Resisting colonization? Is there a law to that effect?
What Lebanese and Egyptians. They had nothing to do with it.
By the way your contention runs counter to the Charter of the United Nations.
2. I believe the golan heights or whatever used to belong to Egypt before they gave it up and the west bank used to belong to Lebanon before they also gave up the land.
The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.
Israel would like to control the Perception of the report
Israel's smear campaign against hard truths picked up steam on Sunday with the publication of its fabricated account of last summer's war.
It reads like bad fiction. It's beginning-to-end bald-faced lies - self-absolution blaming Hamas and other Palestinians for its genocidal crimes.
At the same time, Netanyahu and other Israeli officials bashed the UN Human Rights Council (HRC) report on the war before its release. Whether it has advance word of its contents isn't clear.
Israeli hardline MK/Yesh Atid party leader Yair Lapid condemned HRC's report without seeing it. He anticipates it'll unfairly criticize Israel.
He calls the report "born in sin" - evidence that the UN "lost its mind. (O)nly Israel is obsessively investigated again and again and again, always with the assumption that the Jews are to blame for everything," he blustered.
He repeated the canard about Israel having "the most moral army in the world." Its specialty is murdering defenseless women, small children at play, the elderly, frail and infirm.
Its brave airmen fire missiles at people they can't see - in civilian neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, refugee camps and UN shelters. Its ground and naval forces do the same thing - murdering defenseless people threatening no one.
Lapid and other Israeli hardliners spread Big Lies claiming otherwise. Repeated enough times gets most people to believe themhttp://sjlendman.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/israeli-smear-campaign-against.html
Show me an elected and legally constituted government.Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.
My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.
BTW, have you checked out my link yet?
UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999
Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.
You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)
Most Respectfully,
R
In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.
Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”
The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.
They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.
EVIDENCE ?
The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.
Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.
The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.
The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.
Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.
The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.
Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)
You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)
Most Respectfully,
R
In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.
Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”
The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.
They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.
EVIDENCE ?
Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.
In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.
Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”
The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.
They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.
EVIDENCE ?
What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.
EVIDENCE ?
Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?
What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.
EVIDENCE ?
Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?
What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.EVIDENCE ?
Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?
You have been so brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Your lack of knowledge is amazing.
What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.Show me an elected and legally constituted government.
Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?
You have been so brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Your lack of knowledge is amazing.
So all those christians being raped and having their heads chopped off on the news here lately is just Zionist propaganda eh?
You are the one full of shit.
They are doing it even in areas where there are no Jews.
Hamas is talking to Israel about peace.....
IDF is going to protect syrian druze.....
PA government is going resign because of no unity with gaza.....
but the massacre of christians is propaganda????
(COMMENT)Show me an elected and legally constituted government.
P F Tinmore, et al,
This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."
(COMMENT)Show me an elected and legally constituted government.
Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.
I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.
Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.
Most Respectfully,
R
Interesting rewrite of history there, Rocco. Did you make that up yourself?P F Tinmore, et al,
This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."
(COMMENT)Show me an elected and legally constituted government.
Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.
I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.
Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.
Most Respectfully,
R
