Immigration... Whats wrong with the GOP?

[bripat9643]

The GOP is supposed to be the job friendly party that promotes free enterprise... When it comes to illegal immigration why is nobody proposing a way to create jobs and put 11 million immigrants to work? We have a tremendous opportunity to kickstart our industries and the workforce available to do it. Why not utilize it? Why does nobody explore this avenue instead of wasting years and billions of dollars fighting to send them back and shrink our economic potential?

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What does free enterprise have to do with illegal immigration. If you think creating jobs was so easy, don't you think someone would have done it? What's your plan?

Every illegal takes a job from an American and also drives down the wages of Americans who are working. That's why they have to go. If you say they should stay, you're saying you want to crap on American citizens. It's as simple as that.

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

 

[Slade3200]

The GOP is supposed to be the job friendly party that promotes free enterprise... When it comes to illegal immigration why is nobody proposing a way to create jobs and put 11 million immigrants to work? We have a tremendous opportunity to kickstart our industries and the workforce available to do it. Why not utilize it? Why does nobody explore this avenue instead of wasting years and billions of dollars fighting to send them back and shrink our economic potential?

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First we have to create good jobs for our (legal) citizens....then worry about jobs for illegals. Where are your priorities? Illegals don't get to go to the front of the line. They can always return to where they came from.

I agree, my point is to utilize our unemployed and immigrants to grow our economy rather then put our sole focus on arresting or deporting. We could accomplish so much more if that time and money was spent towards more productive things.

 

[Slade3200]

What does free enterprise have to do with illegal immigration. If you think creating jobs was so easy, don't you think someone would have done it? What's your plan?

Every illegal takes a job from an American and also drives down the wages of Americans who are working. That's why they have to go. If you say they should stay, you're saying you want to crap on American citizens. It's as simple as that.

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

The GOP is supposed to be the job friendly party that promotes free enterprise... When it comes to illegal immigration why is nobody proposing a way to create jobs and put 11 million immigrants to work? We have a tremendous opportunity to kickstart our industries and the workforce available to do it. Why not utilize it? Why does nobody explore this avenue instead of wasting years and billions of dollars fighting to send them back and shrink our economic potential?

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First we have to create good jobs for our (legal) citizens....then worry about jobs for illegals. Where are your priorities? Illegals don't get to go to the front of the line. They can always return to where they came from.

I agree, my point is to utilize our unemployed and immigrants to grow our economy rather then put our sole focus on arresting or deporting. We could accomplish so much more if that time and money was spent towards more productive things.

No matter how much our economy grows, the presence of illegals means fewer jobs for Americans and lower wages. If you want to move to Mexico so an illegal can take your place, be my guest, but I don't you'll find many Americans willing to make that exchange.

 

[BluesLegend]

Deport every last damn one of the lawless foreign illegals, problem solved.

 

[bripat9643]

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

 

[Slade3200]

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

Your insight of economics is humorous.

We do not build communities because we have nothing better to do, we build communities because there is a demand. Same thing for products. As long as Americans are consumed with cheap products, you could take half this country and build industry and it won't do squat.

Immigration infects more than fields, they are in nearly every line of work in America and keeping wages low. You will find Americans do to any job, but the pay has to be acceptable and we need to severely cut down on our social goodies we currently give out that keep people from finding work.

I wouldn't consider your dinner tonight an infection... It came from the ground to your mouth at the hands of an immigrant, i promise you that. Your lack of imagination would disqualify you from being part of a healthy discussion regarding job opportunities for both our immigrants and unemployed. There are many many many viable options.

Give us one decent reason why any illegal alien should be provided with a job taken from an American rather than being deported.

There are 11 million reasons

You mean the 11 million Americans are without a job because of those illegals?

Thats not quite how its working... nice try

 

[BluesLegend]

The GOP is supposed to be the job friendly party that promotes free enterprise... When it comes to illegal immigration why is nobody proposing a way to create jobs and put 11 million immigrants to work? We have a tremendous opportunity to kickstart our industries and the workforce available to do it. Why not utilize it? Why does nobody explore this avenue instead of wasting years and billions of dollars fighting to send them back and shrink our economic potential?

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First we have to create good jobs for our (legal) citizens....then worry about jobs for illegals. Where are your priorities? Illegals don't get to go to the front of the line. They can always return to where they came from.

I agree, my point is to utilize our unemployed and immigrants to grow our economy rather then put our sole focus on arresting or deporting. We could accomplish so much more if that time and money was spent towards more productive things.

No matter how much our economy grows, the presence of illegals means fewer jobs for Americans and lower wages. If you want to move to Mexico so an illegal can take your place, be my guest, but I don't you'll find many Americans willing to make that exchange.

Its not a theory, the amnesty Reagan was tricked into signing proved its a net loss to America financially and lowered wages for Americans for 15 years.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

What the hell is wrong with liberals when they can't tell the difference between free enterprise and illegal criminal immigration?

They see an endless supply of people they can easily manipulate and easily train them that they need government, that government is their only salvation.
And of course the keys to that government is through the Dimocrat party.

 

[BluesLegend]

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

^^^ here here Put amnesty to a national vote, it will go down in flames.

 

[Slade3200]

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

YOU wouldn't be responsible for that, its obviously beyond you... But those at the top that should have the intellect and ability to institute change should be discussing it.

 

[bripat9643]

Your insight of economics is humorous.

We do not build communities because we have nothing better to do, we build communities because there is a demand. Same thing for products. As long as Americans are consumed with cheap products, you could take half this country and build industry and it won't do squat.

Immigration infects more than fields, they are in nearly every line of work in America and keeping wages low. You will find Americans do to any job, but the pay has to be acceptable and we need to severely cut down on our social goodies we currently give out that keep people from finding work.

I wouldn't consider your dinner tonight an infection... It came from the ground to your mouth at the hands of an immigrant, i promise you that. Your lack of imagination would disqualify you from being part of a healthy discussion regarding job opportunities for both our immigrants and unemployed. There are many many many viable options.

Give us one decent reason why any illegal alien should be provided with a job taken from an American rather than being deported.

There are 11 million reasons

You mean the 11 million Americans are without a job because of those illegals?

Thats not quite how its working... nice try

That's exactly how it works.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The GOP is supposed to be the job friendly party that promotes free enterprise... When it comes to illegal immigration why is nobody proposing a way to create jobs and put 11 million immigrants to work? We have a tremendous opportunity to kickstart our industries and the workforce available to do it. Why not utilize it? Why does nobody explore this avenue instead of wasting years and billions of dollars fighting to send them back and shrink our economic potential?

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What does free enterprise have to do with illegal immigration. If you think creating jobs was so easy, don't you think someone would have done it? What's your plan?

Every illegal takes a job from an American and also drives down the wages of Americans who are working. That's why they have to go. If you say they should stay, you're saying you want to crap on American citizens. It's as simple as that.

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

One reason we don't start producing more is because of things like Bill Clinton's NAFTA. How anyone expects US worker so complete with 3rd world slaves is anyone's guess.

As for farm help. I realize you want your lettece picked on the cheap but those folks doing it are not illegal they have work visas. No one, NO ONE, has a problem with legal immigration.

I assume in the next week you will post about how the poor are getting a bad shake by the rich. Yet in the next post you will be all for more illegal uneducated low skilled workers flooding our borders. It makes no sense, it is nonsense.

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

No, it's the same discussion. These people are coming here legally and illegally and taking food out of the mouths of Americans. Not only has this administration been lax on doing anything about it, he is promoting it.

 

[bripat9643]

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

YOU wouldn't be responsible for that, its obviously beyond you... But those at the top that should have the intellect and ability to institute change should be discussing it.

You just tried to make it my responsibility. Those at the top obviously don't have the intellect and to accomplish what you are demanding. In fact, no one does because it can't be done. The presence of illegals here means a lower standard of living for America. That's basic economics. What you're asking is why the government can't draw a triangle with four sides. The fact that you insist on it doesn't say too much for your intellect.

Keep unwanted foreigners out of this country is one of the most basic functions of government. It's time for them to get on with doing their job. You're obviously an open-borders traitor who wants to flood this country with illegals.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

First of all if you think Americans are praying at night to hit the fields and pick fruit and veggies until their backs break, then you are nutz... We are way to spoiled and entitled to do that. Fact, many Mexican immigrants do the jobs that we "American" are too privileged to do.

Second, here is a plan... Drive across middle America and note how much open land there is... Why not start building communities, industry, agriculture... Start actually producing shit so we aren't dependent on foreign imports. Connect our cities with a bullet train line to make domestic travel and shipping faster. Colonize Mars and start charging the citizens for air... There are plenty of things that we can do. Im not saying it is an easy answer but the conversation isn't being had or explored... I would think this would fit well with the GOP agenda but all i hear is vast opposition to anything that considers accepting and utilizing illegal immigrants to help progress our nation.

Your insight of economics is humorous.

We do not build communities because we have nothing better to do, we build communities because there is a demand. Same thing for products. As long as Americans are consumed with cheap products, you could take half this country and build industry and it won't do squat.

Immigration infects more than fields, they are in nearly every line of work in America and keeping wages low. You will find Americans do to any job, but the pay has to be acceptable and we need to severely cut down on our social goodies we currently give out that keep people from finding work.

True enough, a person can make 15,000 a year on welfare, just guessing. Would you give that up to go work in the fields for 10,000 a year? Who would do that? What apparently the left wants is a modern slave class working fields breaking their backs for minimum wage.

I've seen estimates that when you include free housing, free food, free medical care and all the other benefits that they receive as much as $45,000/yr in benefits.

Cash value of welfare spending to households in poverty greater than median household income

Why are you still talking about welfare?

Why? Because our over generous welfare programs are an incentive for Americans not to work, that's why. Because of that, industry feels they have no choice but to hire foreigners to take their place.

 

[bripat9643]

You are an employer. You have many bills to pay. You have a choice to hire an American worker or a foreigner for less wages. Which one are you going to hire?

Before you answer, the pot is sweetened: If you hire the American, you have to provide him with health insurance under Commie Care. If you hire the foreigner, he or she is not under the provisions of Commie Care. If your employees are around the 50 person count, in order to avoid Obama Care, you must keep it under 50 full-time working AMERICANS!

Thanks Obama.........

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

^^^ here here Put amnesty to a national vote, it will go down in flames.

Anyone who votes for it should be forced to pack his bags and move to Mexico.

 

[Slade3200]

We should obviously have incentives to hire American... This is a different discussion

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

YOU wouldn't be responsible for that, its obviously beyond you... But those at the top that should have the intellect and ability to institute change should be discussing it.

You just tried to make it my responsibility. Those at the top obviously don't have the intellect and to accomplish what you are demanding. In fact, no one does because it can't be done. The presence of illegals here means a lower standard of living for America. That's basic economics. What you're asking is why the government can't draw a triangle with four sides. The fact that you insist on it doesn't say to much about your intellect.

Keep unwanted foreigners out of this country is one of the most basic functions of government. It's time for them to get on with doing their job. You're obviously an open-borders traitor who wants to flood this country with illegals.

Can you read? Have I demanded anything? I suggested that there be a discussion

 

[bripat9643]

Here's an incentive: no illegal aliens willing to work for half the price. They have to hire Americans if they don't have another choice. What part of that don't you get? Allowing illegals to stay means fewer jobs and lower pay for Americans.

So get smart and create more jobs.

Why should I be responsible for that? How about all you turds who want to grant amnesty to illegals give up your jobs and move to Mexico? Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

YOU wouldn't be responsible for that, its obviously beyond you... But those at the top that should have the intellect and ability to institute change should be discussing it.

You just tried to make it my responsibility. Those at the top obviously don't have the intellect and to accomplish what you are demanding. In fact, no one does because it can't be done. The presence of illegals here means a lower standard of living for America. That's basic economics. What you're asking is why the government can't draw a triangle with four sides. The fact that you insist on it doesn't say to much about your intellect.

Keep unwanted foreigners out of this country is one of the most basic functions of government. It's time for them to get on with doing their job. You're obviously an open-borders traitor who wants to flood this country with illegals.

Can you read? Have I demanded anything? I suggested that there be a discussion

Yes you have. You insisted that I provide jobs for illegals without harming the economic welfare of Americans. We're discussing it here, and you're being told in no uncertain terms that we have no intention of allowing illegals to stay. That's the bottom line.

 

[Slade3200]

You're obviously an open-borders traitor who wants to flood this country with illegals.

You're funny in the most idiotic of ways... I never said anything about open borders. But there is a problem with 11 million people in the country illegally. We can spend a shit ton of money trying to deport them and letting crime spike... or we can try and be smarter... Unfortunately, we may have too many close minded bigots in this country to be able to actually even have a discussion about it. Look how this forum turned out... It's quite sad.

 

[bripat9643]

You're obviously an open-borders traitor who wants to flood this country with illegals.

You're funny in the most idiotic of ways... I never said anything about open borders. But there is a problem with 11 million people in the country illegally. We can spend a shit ton of money trying to deport them and letting crime spike... or we can try and be smarter... Unfortunately, we may have too many close minded bigots in this country to be able to actually even have a discussion about it. Look how this forum turned out... It's quite sad.

Any money spent deporting them will be more than compensated for by the money saved on their welfare benefits. How will deporting them cause crime to spike? If anything, it will greatly reduce crime because illegals are the source of a lot of it.

Granting amnesty is not being "smarter." It's being dumber, and in your case the shoe fits.