Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Coyote]

Yes. This is where we are disagreeing. You believe that the military objectives of dismantling Hamas and destroying its military infrastructure are not possible to be achieved, but that the return of the hostages can be. I, on the other hand, believe that the return of the hostages can not be achieved while the other two objectives can be.

I will go a bit further. The human price being paid in an attempt to attain those military objectives outweighs any value that can be gained at this point. The war is continuing for reasons that go beyond military objectives.

 

[Coyote]

Even less than the Israelis? that isn't even possible, don't mistake the people of Egypt for the gangster in charge, same as that tin pot King in Jordan, they are cowards.

The Egyptians don’t like Hamas and they don’t want Hamas stirring up people within their own borders or using their territory to launch attacks on to Israel.

Those who falsely claim they “don’t like Palestinians” ignore that and ignore the other issue which is that they don’t want Israel dumping millions of refugees on them.

 

[Deadstick]

The Palestinians should have considered the Israeli response before they attacked Israel. It is time for the Palestinians to leave so that the Jews can settle and develop the land.

Like the Czechs should have thought about the response from the Nazis when they killed Heydrich, which was the liquidation of Lidice, Israel is the bastard child of Hitler.

 

[Coyote]

What you seem to have missed is my continued agreement with Coyote on this matter. Do you know why?

Hey, I guess we are sister wives?

 

[Shusha]

The human price being paid in an attempt to attain those military objectives outweighs any value that can be gained at this point. The war is continuing for reasons that go beyond military objectives.

These two feel contradictory to me. The first seems to say that military objectives must be abandoned if the cost is too high. The second seems to say that the military objectives have already been achieved, but the war continues. The first seems to hint at an objective measure of morality, while the second hints at perceived intent.

 

[Coyote]

I doubt any of those so called "Jews" attend synagogue services regularly.

Why would they, or for that matter any Jew need to? Are you suggesting they can’t be “real Jews” if they don’t?

 

[Coyote]

These two feel contradictory to me. The first seems to say that military objectives must be abandoned if the cost is too high. The second seems to say that the military objectives have already been achieved, but the war continues. The first seems to hint at an objective measure of morality, while the second hints at perceived intent.

Ya, after reading again they do sound that way. I think Israel’s military objectives (destroy Hamas, insure Gaza is no longer a threat) have been achieved and the remainder needs to be done by non-military initiatives. I think the stated objective of hostage release cannot be achieved by relying on military means and the continued campaign is costing too much in human lives both the hostages and the Gaza civilians. The longer it goes the fewer hostages remain.

 

[Lisa558]

Ya, after reading again they do sound that way. I think Israel’s military objectives (destroy Hamas, insure Gaza is no longer a threat) have been achieved and the remainder needs to be done by non-military initiatives. I think the stated objective of hostage release cannot be achieved by relying on military means and the continued campaign is costing too much in human lives both the hostages and the Gaza civilians. The longer it goes the fewer hostages remain.

Well then, let HAMAS release the hostages and surrender. You’re making it sound as though the onus is all on Israel.

HAMAS could have ended this over a year ago.

 

[Shusha]

Ya, after reading again they do sound that way. I think Israel’s military objectives (destroy Hamas, insure Gaza is no longer a threat) have been achieved and the remainder needs to be done by non-military initiatives. I think the stated objective of hostage release cannot be achieved by relying on military means and the continued campaign is costing too much in human lives both the hostages and the Gaza civilians. The longer it goes the fewer hostages remain.

Out of curiosity, what non-military initiatives do you think Israel should impose?

 

[Hector12]

Well then, let HAMAS release the hostages and surrender. You’re making it sound as though the onus is all on Israel.

HAMAS could have ended this over a year ago.

Hamas could have prevented it by not attacking Israel, and by not thinking this way:

 

[toomuchtime_]

And yet many call it that, including Jews.

Idiot!

People say a lot of things, but clearly what is going on in Gaza simply doesn't fit the definition of genocide and defined in international law. Admit it, you are forced to tell such ridiculous lies because you cannot find an honest case to make against Israel.

 

[gipper]

People say a lot of things, but clearly what is going on in Gaza simply doesn't fit the definition of genocide and defined in international law. Admit it, you are forced to tell such ridiculous lies because you cannot find an honest case to make against Israel.

Clearly you’re an idiot. It fits the definition in every way.

 

[gipper]

Well then, let HAMAS release the hostages and surrender. You’re making it sound as though the onus is all on Israel.

HAMAS could have ended this over a year ago.

BS as always. Your leader Bibi could have gotten the hostages released, instead he chose killing defenseless civilians. He likely killed the hostages too.

 

[Lisa558]

People say a lot of things, but clearly what is going on in Gaza simply doesn't fit the definition of genocide and defined in international law. Admit it, you are forced to tell such ridiculous lies because you cannot find an honest case to make against Israel.

What happened in Sudan DOES fit the definition of genocide, and the U.S. formally declared it as such, but these antisemites skip over that without a word and continue to lie that Israel is committing “genocide.”

And then they claim, indignantly, that they’ve never said anything antisemitic.

Disaster by the Numbers: The Crisis in Sudan

The United States just formally declared that genocide has taken place in the northeast African nation, but the calamity there dates back decades.

www.nytimes.com

 

[gipper]

The Palestinians should have considered the Israeli response before they attacked Israel. It is time for the Palestinians to leave so that the Jews can settle and develop the land.

Hamas chose to raise up against their oppressor. Who had oppressed them for decades. You blaming all the Palestinian people for 10/7, is typical Zionist ignorance.

And if the Palestinians refuse to leave THEIR HOMELAND, do you support murdering them?

 

[Lisa558]

Why would they, or for that matter any Jew need to? Are you suggesting they can’t be “real Jews” if they don’t?

I would change the term to “practicing” Jew. Otherwise, what Hector says is true: it is the non-practicing Jews who are prioritizing their liberalism over their Judaism.

 

[Lisa558]

Ya, after reading again they do sound that way. I think Israel’s military objectives (destroy Hamas, insure Gaza is no longer a threat) have been achieved and the remainder needs to be done by non-military initiatives. I think the stated objective of hostage release cannot be achieved by relying on military means and the continued campaign is costing too much in human lives both the hostages and the Gaza civilians. The longer it goes the fewer hostages remain.

YOU may think that Israel has achieved its objective to destroy HAMAS and ensure Gaza is no longer a threat has been achieved, but clearly they do not - and thus continue their military campaign in northern Gaza.

Why else, pray tell, would Israel continue to undertaken such a mission if HAMAS was destroyed and Gaza no longer a threat?

 

[Hector12]

Hamas chose to raise up against their oppressor. Who had oppressed them for decades. You blaming all the Palestinian people for 10/7, is typical Zionist ignorance.

And if the Palestinians refuse to leave THEIR HOMELAND, do you support murdering them?

If I am ignorant, what don't I know that would change my mind if I learned it?

Even the Koran agrees that the land of Israel belongs to the Children of Israel. The Palestinians should have been deported long ago.

 

[Hector12]

Hamas chose to raise up against their oppressor. Who had oppressed them for decades. You blaming all the Palestinian people for 10/7, is typical Zionist ignorance.

And if the Palestinians refuse to leave THEIR HOMELAND, do you support murdering them?

It is not the homeland of the Palestinians. Their continued presence there is incompatible with the safety and well being of the Jews. If the Palestinians refuse to leave, they will need to take the consequences. I wish there was a gentle way of persuading the Palestinians to leave, but I am afraid there is not.

 

[Lisa558]

If I am ignorant, what don't I know that would change my mind if I learned it?

Even the Koran agrees that the land of Israel belongs to the Children of Israel. The Palestinians should have been deported long ago.

I would also ask how Israel has oppressed them. The Jews vacated Gaza 20 years ago (which in retrospect was a mistake) so antisemites like Gipper couldn’t scream “occupied territory!” - and then, because the “Palestinians” are so backward and incapable, Israel supplied them with electricity, water, and medical care. Israel even gave jobs to some of them.

But the Islamic terrorists they elected and kept in power funneled all money and food for themselves. It is HAMAS that oppressed their own people, but naturally, the antisemites blame the Jews.