Is this another reason the FBI hid the Hunter Biden Laptop?

[JoeB131]

It is very easy to verify emails simply based on the recipients. If you aren't going to believe any of the recipients and you are only going to believe the corrupt FBI, then they can literally get away with anything. There could be video of Joe and Hunter openly extorting the Ukraine and the left could simply call it a fake and the media could censor it. If people are too stupid to use common sense, which is where we are at this point, then all hope is lost. It is unfortunate that we have a dishonest media who will build elaborate stories based on speculation against Trump and won't even report opposing views.

Except that we know that the Russians hacked Bursima's servers... so they would have no problem downloading emails and loading them onto a fake computer.

Common sense is that when someone comes to you with a dodgy story about a laptop that was left behind a year ago, and you happened to look into the files, and they happen to prove every batshit conspiracy theory that has already been investigated and debunked, you should take it with a grain of salt.

What’s Really Going on With Hunter Biden’s Hard Drive? Here’s Everything We Know.

How to make sense of the weirdest, weakest October surprise ever.

slate.com

There are also strong indicators that Russia had something to do with this whole affair, though nothing has surfaced definitively proving this is the case. In January, the same Russian intelligence unit that hacked Hillary Clinton’s and the Democratic National Committee’s emails in 2016 was also able to infiltrate Burisma’s systems. U.S. intelligence analysts subsequently picked up chatter indicating that stolen Burisma emails would be leaked as part of an October surprise aimed at influencing the election. Analysts were further concerned that forged materials might be included in the leak—something that, without the original materials in question, journalists can’t verify for themselves, leaving everyone to take the New York Post’s word. (And, in case you forgot, U.S. intelligence agencies once again say Russia is trying to tilt the election in favor of Trump.)

Intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that Russian operatives were trying to use Giuliani as a vessel for disinformation that would hurt Joe Biden. (Trump reportedly dismissed the warning by shrugging and saying, “That’s Rudy.”) The agencies decided to sound the alarm after Giuliani met with a pro-Russia member of Ukraine’s parliament named Andriy Derkach, whom the U.S. Treasury Department believes has been a Kremlin agent for more than a decade. Derkach, who has previously spread disinformation meant to influence the upcoming election, has been helping Giuliani look for damaging information about the Bidens in Ukraine. Giuliani has laughed off allegations that he’s the Kremlin’s patsy, claiming to the Daily Beast, “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”


The owner of the shop was later revealed to be John Paul MacIsaac of Wilmington. He is an avid Trump supporter and has been repeatedly changing his story about what exactly occurred. He initially said that he wasn’t able to identify who dropped off the laptop because he is “legally blind.” MacIsaac then said that the customer had identified himself as Hunter Biden. The shop does have two cameras, but MacIsaac claims that the footage from that day was automatically deleted before he realized how important it was. He’s given conflicting accounts of how he came into contact with the FBI and says he initially made a copy of the hard drive for personal protection, citing the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton’s associates had killed a DNC staffer for leaking information. MacIsaac has generally been cagey with the press about his dealings with Giuliani and what he found on the hard drive.

 

[JoeB131]

Unfortunately that doesn't happen under Democrats. We simply cow-tow to them. For example, they want us in the Paris Accord and want us to provide most of the funding. They want us in NATO but we pay more than our fair share. Weird how the win-win thing actually plays out.

How this plays out is that we maintain an economic and military order that largely benefits us without having to expend a lot of blood to do so. Trump has killed twice as many Americans in the last year through Covid than have died in all the wars fought since WWII.

The only thing that could be considered "fishy" is the timing. The information itself is not fishy at all. It actually aligns quite well with known facts. Biden says he won't give the Ukraine any money unless they fire a prosecutor(on video).

Okay, except that it has been established- again and again - that the prosecutor in question was corrupt and the EU, IMF and even REpublicans in Congress insisted he should go.

Hunter is getting paid big money for a job in which he is not qualified that just happens to be the company involved in the corruption that Joe was supposedly working to resolve. It kind of makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Oh, noes, you mean the children of the rich and powerful get jobs beyond their ability? That's terrible...

Of course, Trump's kids have made $135,000,000 since their dad became President, but let's talk about Hunter Biden getting $50,000 a month for a year.

How Donald Trump's Kids Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

No one knows a “clear conflict of interest” when they see it better than the president's children.

www.gq.com

Since then, Forbes says, the brothers have sold off more than $100 million worth of Trump Organization real estate. That figure includes a $33 million sale of the company’s stake in a federally subsidized housing complex—a transaction Secretary of House & Urban Development Ben Carson had to approve—and a $3.2 million sale of land in the Dominican Republic last year, which Forbes called “the clearest violation of their father’s pledge to do no new foreign deals while in office.” Taxpayers cover the security costs of each business trip the pair makes—in the first two months of 2017 alone that included $97,830 for a trip to Uruguay, $53,155.25 for a trip to Vancouver, and $16,738.36 for a trip to Dubai, according to NBC News.

 

[JoeB131]

The Fact that the FBI hid Hunter Biden's laptop is another reason current FBI Director Wray should be fired from the FBI and walked out of the FBI HQ in cuffs, charged with 'Obstruction' and 'Conspiracy'.

The FBI needs to be shutdown until someone objective and reliable from outside the FBI can be appointed to oversee the agency.

The FISA Court should immediately be shut down - until an Independent body can investigate / 'QC' all FISA warrant requests before a FISA Warrant is granted.

Or we can just get rid of the corrupt Game Show host infesting the White House, and then we won't have to worry about the FBI having to do it's job.

 

[iceberg]

The only thing the FBI is hiding is their laughter at your crazy assed theories. They're trying to be polite.

Since a guy that was part of the emails distribution as verified the legitimacy and accuracy of the emails, I'd say it's no longer a theory.

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Does this guy, have a name?

why do you want names now? you refused to give them during an impeachment.

set the standard / rules - follow them.

What name did I refuse to give during impeachment??? Who was anonymous in the impeachment???

Not playing your fucked up bullshit.

 

[DBA]

Except they aren't verifiable... No court of law would ever admit them because they've been through so many hands before they were made public.

Sorry, but yes they are very much verifiable. Emails leave an electronic paper trail that can be easily traced and is, in fact, much more reliable and verifiable than hard copies.

Actually, the thing is, you go to the source material- Trump's own words and his tweets, and he comes off like a crazy person. The media is doing it's job. It's letting us know when Trump does crazy things...

Ever see the video of Joe bragging about withholding money to the Ukraine if they didn’t fire Shokin? Talk about source material. You see, when you add that little admission from Joe to the fact that Hunter was being paid a bunch of money from this Ukrainian company and now the verifiable emails that show the pay for play it kind of makes sense. The media knows it makes sense, but they are in protection mode. Heck Trump was impeached for mentioning this shady business to the Ukraine...he knew all along. If the names in this scandal were switch to Donald and Donald Jr. the media would be ALL over it and you know it.

They left out one sentence on a warrant application that was dozens of pages long with evidence Page was working for the Russians.

Yeah, they left out one sentence that was crucial. If I am on the FISA court and I see all these Russian contacts of Carter Page I would probably be intrigued. Pages and pages of information relating to these Russian contacts of Carter Page who is now working with the Trump campaign. I would be getting ready to sign the warrant until I read the last sentence that stated that Carter Page was a CIA operative, which explains the Russian connections. I would then stamp a big red X on it. You see, some bits of information are vital...the FBI knew it, which is exactly whey they left it off. Don’t be a dupe.

The economy is like baseball... Complaining you were leading in the third inning doesn't matter if you are down by 10 runs in the bottom of the ninth.

Pre-pandemic, the economy was doing very well for the rich... but the rest of us, not so much. A slight kick, and we turn into Venezuela. That's not a strong economy, bud.

To use your baseball analogy, it is more like we are pitching a no-hitter and are up 10-0 going into the 7th. An opposing fan runs onto the field and kicks our pitcher in the nuts and he is forced to sit the rest of the iinning. The opposing team scores 11 runs in the 7th and is up 11-10. We then score another 3 runs in the 8th to take the lead back. The pitcher recovers and is ready to get back into the game to continue his dominance but the opposing fans continue to send in their crotch kickers because they know they will lose if he comes back in. In case you haven’t figured it out yet, Democrats and China are the crotch kicking opposing fans who don’t want the home team(US) to win.

The economy was doing well for the vast majority of Americans. It will get back there under Trump. It will not under Biden. Simple.

That they've helped to keep the peace for 70 years.. That's why I'm confident in them.

I ask again. What kind of world do you live in where the CIA, FBI, Pentagon, Media, Academia, etc. etc. etc. are all lying, but the Game Show Host with a history of dodgy deals is telling the truth?

What kind of world do you live in where the FBI can alter documents, the CIA can be complicit with a campaign “stir(ring) up a scandal”, the media can censor one side but not the other and academia is anything more than indoctrinated, sheltered, perpetual college kids who have no real-world experience?

 

[DBA]

The Fact that the FBI hid Hunter Biden's laptop is another reason current FBI Director Wray should be fired from the FBI and walked out of the FBI HQ in cuffs, charged with 'Obstruction' and 'Conspiracy'.

The FBI needs to be shutdown until someone objective and reliable from outside the FBI can be appointed to oversee the agency.

The FISA Court should immediately be shut down - until an Independent body can investigate / 'QC' all FISA warrant requests before a FISA Warrant is granted.

Or we can just get rid of the corrupt Game Show host infesting the White House, and then we won't have to worry about the FBI having to do it's job.

It would be funny to see just how fast you would turn on the FBI if they grow a pair and actually investigate this Hunter/Joe corruption.

 

[DBA]

It is very easy to verify emails simply based on the recipients. If you aren't going to believe any of the recipients and you are only going to believe the corrupt FBI, then they can literally get away with anything. There could be video of Joe and Hunter openly extorting the Ukraine and the left could simply call it a fake and the media could censor it. If people are too stupid to use common sense, which is where we are at this point, then all hope is lost. It is unfortunate that we have a dishonest media who will build elaborate stories based on speculation against Trump and won't even report opposing views.

Except that we know that the Russians hacked Bursima's servers... so they would have no problem downloading emails and loading them onto a fake computer.

Common sense is that when someone comes to you with a dodgy story about a laptop that was left behind a year ago, and you happened to look into the files, and they happen to prove every batshit conspiracy theory that has already been investigated and debunked, you should take it with a grain of salt.

What’s Really Going on With Hunter Biden’s Hard Drive? Here’s Everything We Know.

How to make sense of the weirdest, weakest October surprise ever.

slate.com

There are also strong indicators that Russia had something to do with this whole affair, though nothing has surfaced definitively proving this is the case. In January, the same Russian intelligence unit that hacked Hillary Clinton’s and the Democratic National Committee’s emails in 2016 was also able to infiltrate Burisma’s systems. U.S. intelligence analysts subsequently picked up chatter indicating that stolen Burisma emails would be leaked as part of an October surprise aimed at influencing the election. Analysts were further concerned that forged materials might be included in the leak—something that, without the original materials in question, journalists can’t verify for themselves, leaving everyone to take the New York Post’s word. (And, in case you forgot, U.S. intelligence agencies once again say Russia is trying to tilt the election in favor of Trump.)

Intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that Russian operatives were trying to use Giuliani as a vessel for disinformation that would hurt Joe Biden. (Trump reportedly dismissed the warning by shrugging and saying, “That’s Rudy.”) The agencies decided to sound the alarm after Giuliani met with a pro-Russia member of Ukraine’s parliament named Andriy Derkach, whom the U.S. Treasury Department believes has been a Kremlin agent for more than a decade. Derkach, who has previously spread disinformation meant to influence the upcoming election, has been helping Giuliani look for damaging information about the Bidens in Ukraine. Giuliani has laughed off allegations that he’s the Kremlin’s patsy, claiming to the Daily Beast, “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”


The owner of the shop was later revealed to be John Paul MacIsaac of Wilmington. He is an avid Trump supporter and has been repeatedly changing his story about what exactly occurred. He initially said that he wasn’t able to identify who dropped off the laptop because he is “legally blind.” MacIsaac then said that the customer had identified himself as Hunter Biden. The shop does have two cameras, but MacIsaac claims that the footage from that day was automatically deleted before he realized how important it was. He’s given conflicting accounts of how he came into contact with the FBI and says he initially made a copy of the hard drive for personal protection, citing the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton’s associates had killed a DNC staffer for leaking information. MacIsaac has generally been cagey with the press about his dealings with Giuliani and what he found on the hard drive.

You do realize that even the FBI is now saying that the laptop has nothing to do with Russian disinformation? All of this ^^^^ is just noise created by you liberal commies to distract from the current problem.

 

[DBA]

How this plays out is that we maintain an economic and military order that largely benefits us without having to expend a lot of blood to do so. Trump has killed twice as many Americans in the last year through Covid than have died in all the wars fought since WWII.

Normal people don’t blame Trump for 200k COVID deaths. Only complete morons would do that...but if the shoe fits. Maybe you should do the same for every leader in every country. Maybe we can try them all for murder. You are an idiot.

Okay, except that it has been established- again and again - that the prosecutor in question was corrupt and the EU, IMF and even REpublicans in Congress insisted he should go.

TWO Republican Senators signed off a letter to reform the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office. Yes, TWO. Did they mention Shokin? Did they even know about the Hunter situation at that time? Maybe these TWO were duped. It happens.

Oh, noes, you mean the children of the rich and powerful get jobs beyond their ability? That's terrible..

That isn’t the point is it? The real question is why would a Ukrainian company hire Hunter if they weren’t expecting something in return. What is in it for them to make a bad hire? Think about that for just a minute...was it just a “favor” for good ole’ Joe, you know, just to be nice? Give me a break. This is a pay-for-play scheme as plain as day.

 

[easyt65]

Or we can just get rid of the corrupt Game Show host infesting the White House, and then we won't have to worry about the FBI having to do it's job.

It would be funny to see just how fast you would turn on the FBI if they grow a pair and actually investigate this Hunter/Joe corruption.

...or if it were Trump Jr's PC and the FBI was hiding it...

 

[colfax_m]

How this plays out is that we maintain an economic and military order that largely benefits us without having to expend a lot of blood to do so. Trump has killed twice as many Americans in the last year through Covid than have died in all the wars fought since WWII.

Normal people don’t blame Trump for 200k COVID deaths. Only complete morons would do that...but if the shoe fits. Maybe you should do the same for every leader in every country. Maybe we can try them all for murder. You are an idiot.

Okay, except that it has been established- again and again - that the prosecutor in question was corrupt and the EU, IMF and even REpublicans in Congress insisted he should go.

TWO Republican Senators signed off a letter to reform the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office. Yes, TWO. Did they mention Shokin? Did they even know about the Hunter situation at that time? Maybe these TWO were duped. It happens.

Oh, noes, you mean the children of the rich and powerful get jobs beyond their ability? That's terrible..

That isn’t the point is it? The real question is why would a Ukrainian company hire Hunter if they weren’t expecting something in return. What is in it for them to make a bad hire? Think about that for just a minute...was it just a “favor” for good ole’ Joe, you know, just to be nice? Give me a break. This is a pay-for-play scheme as plain as day.

The problem with founding an argument on the idea that there is no alternate rational explanation is that any rational explanation debunks it.

Hiring Hunter Biden means there’s a Biden on their board. That’s all they really need. It gives an air of legitimacy to a company dogged by a bad reputation. They don’t need any more from the transaction.

 

[OKTexas]

How this plays out is that we maintain an economic and military order that largely benefits us without having to expend a lot of blood to do so. Trump has killed twice as many Americans in the last year through Covid than have died in all the wars fought since WWII.

Normal people don’t blame Trump for 200k COVID deaths. Only complete morons would do that...but if the shoe fits. Maybe you should do the same for every leader in every country. Maybe we can try them all for murder. You are an idiot.

Okay, except that it has been established- again and again - that the prosecutor in question was corrupt and the EU, IMF and even REpublicans in Congress insisted he should go.

TWO Republican Senators signed off a letter to reform the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office. Yes, TWO. Did they mention Shokin? Did they even know about the Hunter situation at that time? Maybe these TWO were duped. It happens.

Oh, noes, you mean the children of the rich and powerful get jobs beyond their ability? That's terrible..

That isn’t the point is it? The real question is why would a Ukrainian company hire Hunter if they weren’t expecting something in return. What is in it for them to make a bad hire? Think about that for just a minute...was it just a “favor” for good ole’ Joe, you know, just to be nice? Give me a break. This is a pay-for-play scheme as plain as day.

The problem with founding an argument on the idea that there is no alternate rational explanation is that any rational explanation debunks it.

Hiring Hunter Biden means there’s a Biden on their board. That’s all they really need. It gives an air of legitimacy to a company dogged by a bad reputation. They don’t need any more from the transaction.

So all they really needed was to hire a dope addict, freshly discharged form the military for drug use, to give themselves an air of legitimacy? You must be smoking crack to even suggest such a thing.

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[colfax_m]

So all they really needed was to hire a dope addict, freshly discharged form the military for drug use, to give themselves an air of legitimacy? You must be smoking crack to even suggest such a thing.

Not everyone is as obsessed with Hunter Biden’s drug use as you.

 

[DBA]

How this plays out is that we maintain an economic and military order that largely benefits us without having to expend a lot of blood to do so. Trump has killed twice as many Americans in the last year through Covid than have died in all the wars fought since WWII.

Normal people don’t blame Trump for 200k COVID deaths. Only complete morons would do that...but if the shoe fits. Maybe you should do the same for every leader in every country. Maybe we can try them all for murder. You are an idiot.

Okay, except that it has been established- again and again - that the prosecutor in question was corrupt and the EU, IMF and even REpublicans in Congress insisted he should go.

TWO Republican Senators signed off a letter to reform the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office. Yes, TWO. Did they mention Shokin? Did they even know about the Hunter situation at that time? Maybe these TWO were duped. It happens.

Oh, noes, you mean the children of the rich and powerful get jobs beyond their ability? That's terrible..

That isn’t the point is it? The real question is why would a Ukrainian company hire Hunter if they weren’t expecting something in return. What is in it for them to make a bad hire? Think about that for just a minute...was it just a “favor” for good ole’ Joe, you know, just to be nice? Give me a break. This is a pay-for-play scheme as plain as day.

The problem with founding an argument on the idea that there is no alternate rational explanation is that any rational explanation debunks it.

Hiring Hunter Biden means there’s a Biden on their board. That’s all they really need. It gives an air of legitimacy to a company dogged by a bad reputation. They don’t need any more from the transaction.

And it could potentially keep them from being further investigated, right, which is what actually happened, just by chance of course.

 

[colfax_m]

And it could potentially keep them from being further investigated, right, which is what actually happened, just by chance of course.

Further investigated? That implies there was any investigation to begin with. If Burisma wanted to keep from being investigated, all they had to do was pay off Shokin’s corrupt buddies, which is probably what they were doing since there was no investigation.

 

[OKTexas]

So all they really needed was to hire a dope addict, freshly discharged form the military for drug use, to give themselves an air of legitimacy? You must be smoking crack to even suggest such a thing.

Not everyone is as obsessed with Hunter Biden’s drug use as you.

Yeah, other criminals and dopers. A sane person wouldn't hire him to walk their dog. He might abandon them like he did his crack pipe, ID and computer.

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[colfax_m]

Yeah, other criminals and dopers. A sane person wouldn't hire him to walk their dog. He might abandon them like he did his crack pipe, ID and computer.

I really doubt whether Burisma had any intention of Biden being of any significant use to their business. Window dressing.

 

[DBA]

And it could potentially keep them from being further investigated, right, which is what actually happened, just by chance of course.

Further investigated? That implies there was any investigation to begin with. If Burisma wanted to keep from being investigated, all they had to do was pay off Shokin’s corrupt buddies, which is probably what they were doing since there was no investigation.

"In 2016, Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin ,had an active and ongoing investigation into Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. At the time, Archer and Hunter Biden continued to serve on Burisma’s board of directors. According to news reports, then Vice President Biden “threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine’s leaders did not dismiss[Shokin].” After that threat, Ukraine’s Parliament fired Shokin.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/download/hsgac-finance-report

 

[DBA]

Hiring Hunter Biden means there’s a Biden on their board. That’s all they really need. It gives an air of legitimacy to a company dogged by a bad reputation. They don’t need any more from the transaction.

I just have to reply to this again. You can't possibly believe they would be willing to pay the drug-addicted, unqualified son of the US VP 50k/mth. to be on their board just to give them an "air of legitimacy". If anything, it does exactly the opposite, which is exactly where we are now.

 

[DrLove]

Isn't it hilarious that Donald and his creepy sidekick Crazy Rudy are still colluding with Russian spies in order to discredit the Bidens? I mean after all, it IS the same thing that got Donnie impeached in the first place!

 

[DBA]

Isn't it hilarious that Donald and his creepy sidekick Crazy Rudy are still colluding with Russian spies in order to discredit the Bidens? I mean after all, it IS the same thing that got Donnie impeached in the first place!

Yes it is. Just goes to show you want a sham the impeachment was. Trump brings up a very legitimate concern and the corrupt Democrats go nuts and wrongfully impeach him. Thank God for the sanity in the Senate.