Is Zelensky softening his tone on territorial concessions?

[BlackWizard91]

Since the February 2022 Russian invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised that his country would prevail in the ensuing war, and that victory would include not only the reclamation of its territory up to the prewar borders, but also all of its territory up to the 2014 borders, including the Donbas and Crimea.

As recently as October 2024, Zelensky continued to insist that Ukraine would not cede any of its territory to Russia. But, as Russian troops break through heavily fortified Ukrainian defenses on their increasingly rapid march west, the crumbling Ukrainian lines may be causing a new reality to dawn in Kyiv.

On November 21, Zelensky was asked by Fox News if he had “accepted that under any sort of cease-fire agreement or peace deal that some Ukrainian territory may remain in Russian hands?" He said: “We cannot legally acknowledge any occupied territory of Ukraine as Russian. That is about those territories … seized by Putin before the full-scale invasion, since 2014. Legally, we are not acknowledging that, we are not adopting that.” But Zelensky finally realized that he would not be able to regain these territories by force.

In response to the question “willing to give up Crimea in pursuit of a peace deal to end this war,” Zelensky replied, "we are ready to bring Crimea back diplomatically.” This is a clear change from his earlier position. Zelensky now seems to accept the improbability of recapturing Crimea militarily.


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[rightwinger]

Zelensky is willing to trade territory for increased security of NATO and EU membership

 

[Contumacious]

Since the February 2022 Russian invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised that his country would prevail in the ensuing war, and that victory would include not only the reclamation of its territory up to the prewar borders, but also all of its territory up to the 2014 borders, including the Donbas and Crimea.

As recently as October 2024, Zelensky continued to insist that Ukraine would not cede any of its territory to Russia. But, as Russian troops break through heavily fortified Ukrainian defenses on their increasingly rapid march west, the crumbling Ukrainian lines may be causing a new reality to dawn in Kyiv.

On November 21, Zelensky was asked by Fox News if he had “accepted that under any sort of cease-fire agreement or peace deal that some Ukrainian territory may remain in Russian hands?" He said: “We cannot legally acknowledge any occupied territory of Ukraine as Russian. That is about those territories … seized by Putin before the full-scale invasion, since 2014. Legally, we are not acknowledging that, we are not adopting that.” But Zelensky finally realized that he would not be able to regain these territories by force.

In response to the question “willing to give up Crimea in pursuit of a peace deal to end this war,” Zelensky replied, "we are ready to bring Crimea back diplomatically.” This is a clear change from his earlier position. Zelensky now seems to accept the improbability of recapturing Crimea militarily.


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Firstly , Zelenskyy is a CIA puppet and Ukraine is a CIA Colony and has been since February 2014 when the Obama-Biden Administration deposed Ukraine's duly elected President Viktor Yanukovych - so Zelenskyy's position is whatever his CIA handler decides it will be

Under the USSR System Ukraine and Crimea were Republics . Ukraine was allowed to declare its independence . Crimea must also be able to declare its independence

In 1954 Nikita Kruschev gave Ukraine ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL of New Russia which was the name given to the region East of the Dnipro River

Warmongers neocrazies Senators Lindsey Graham , Mitch McConnell , Pierre Delecto and 19 other Senators are going to oppose ANY Trump nominated Secretary of Defense who wants to cease the unnecessary proxy war in Ukraine.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Ukrainian law forbids negotiations with Russia, I think. Besides, making a deal between those two isn't so simple.

 

[Independent thinker]

Since the February 2022 Russian invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised that his country would prevail in the ensuing war, and that victory would include not only the reclamation of its territory up to the prewar borders, but also all of its territory up to the 2014 borders, including the Donbas and Crimea.

As recently as October 2024, Zelensky continued to insist that Ukraine would not cede any of its territory to Russia. But, as Russian troops break through heavily fortified Ukrainian defenses on their increasingly rapid march west, the crumbling Ukrainian lines may be causing a new reality to dawn in Kyiv.

On November 21, Zelensky was asked by Fox News if he had “accepted that under any sort of cease-fire agreement or peace deal that some Ukrainian territory may remain in Russian hands?" He said: “We cannot legally acknowledge any occupied territory of Ukraine as Russian. That is about those territories … seized by Putin before the full-scale invasion, since 2014. Legally, we are not acknowledging that, we are not adopting that.” But Zelensky finally realized that he would not be able to regain these territories by force.

In response to the question “willing to give up Crimea in pursuit of a peace deal to end this war,” Zelensky replied, "we are ready to bring Crimea back diplomatically.” This is a clear change from his earlier position. Zelensky now seems to accept the improbability of recapturing Crimea militarily.


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Zelensky is smart enough to figure out that the party is over.

 

[Contumacious]

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Zelensky is smart enough to figure out that the party is over.

2 years ago he told the illegitimate demented woke SOB BuyTHem that he did not want to fight Russia - the CIA told him to shut the fuck up that they were going to use his country as a ram against Moscow whether he liked it or not.


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[luiza]

Zelensky is smart enough to figure out that the party is over.

What he figures has so far been wrong consistently -- a non military Midget trying to make military decisions .A sort of Horsey Horse or De CrappyitUS. Trolls who are never right . Or, are always wrong . !!

When he is dismissedf it will be done by Sir Richard Moore who as head of MI6 is the midget's handler .
Doubtless this will be done with Five Eyes discussion but principally a decision made by the UK and the US .

Their main problem is the lack of sound choice for a follow -up Puppet.
Zaluzhnyi possibly. He is Ambassador for Ukraine in London and was the actual brains behind the Midget when he was , until recently, leading the UAF
Apparently sacked by the Midget but the truth looks obvious given his present position .

 

[luiza]

What he figures has so far been wrong consistently -- a non military Midget trying to make military decisions .A sort of Horsey Horse or De CrappyitUS. Trolls who are never right . Or, are always wrong . !!

When he is dismissedf it will be done by Sir Richard Moore who as head of MI6 is the midget's handler .
Doubtless this will be done with Five Eyes discussion but principally a decision made by the UK and the US .

Their main problem is the lack of sound choice for a follow -up Puppet.
Zaluzhnyi possibly. He is Ambassador for Ukraine in London and was the actual brains behind the Midget when he was , until recently, leading the UAF
Apparently sacked by the Midget but the truth looks obvious given his present position .

Brilliant post Luiza .
Why are Americans so thick ?

 

[Rigby5]

Zelensky is willing to trade territory for increased security of NATO and EU membership

NATO and EU membership is off the table.
Russia would have to nuke the US before letting that happen.
The Ukraine is INSIDE the Russian defense grid, since it used to have Russian nukes installed there.
That means if the Ukraine were ever allowed to join NATO, we could install a first strike force there that the Russians could not detect until detonation.
So it is NEVER going to happen.
The US would be utterly destroyed with nukes before that would ever be allowed.

 

[Rigby5]

Ukrainian law forbids negotiations with Russia, I think. Besides, making a deal between those two isn't so simple.

Wrong.
Ukraine law includes the treaties they signed, which clearly forbid the Ukraine ever trying to join NATO or the EU.
Instead of "forbidding" negotiations with Russia, Ukraine law requires it, since the Ukraine only was given independence from the USSR under certain restrictions.

Making a deal is trivial because they already did and have signed treaties.
All Zelensky has to do is agree to stop violating their own treaties.

 

[Kruska]

Zelensky is willing to trade territory for increased security of NATO and EU membership

Not going to happen

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Ukraine law includes the treaties they signed, which clearly forbid the Ukraine ever trying to join NATO or the EU.
Instead of "forbidding" negotiations with Russia, Ukraine law requires it, since the Ukraine only was given independence from the USSR under certain restrictions.

Making a deal is trivial because they already did and have signed treaties.
All Zelensky has to do is agree to stop violating their own treaties.

Wrong

there was no such treaty

 

[rightwinger]

Not going to happen

OK
So in return for Ukraine ceding territory and stop fighting…..what do they get in return?

 

[Kruska]

OK
So in return for Ukraine ceding territory and stop fighting…..what do they get in return?

My reply was directed at Ukraine obtaining an EU and NATO membership.

After-all this is what this entire conflict is all about - Putin wants to have the say in ALL of Ukraine or at minimum ensure the "absolute neutrality" of Ukraine.

 

[Seymour Flops]

My reply was directed at Ukraine obtaining an EU and NATO membership.

After-all this is what this entire conflict is all about - Putin wants to have the say in ALL of Ukraine or at minimum ensure the "absolute neutrality" of Ukraine.

Absolute neutrality of Ukraine is the path to a lasting peace.

Obama gave the Crimea to Russia, so simply acknowledging that gift would change nothing.

Trump is Ukraine's best hope to negotiate a deal with Russia that has them keeping Crimea and some of the most heavily ethnic Russian territory of Ukraine.

I would hope that the deal included both Zelensky and Putin setting early dates for free and open elections in their countries, but the U.S. has little leverage to force either of the dictators to do so.

 

[Kruska]

Absolute neutrality of Ukraine is the path to a lasting peace.

No, not a "lasting" peace - just for the time being

Obama gave the Crimea to Russia, so simply acknowledging that gift would change nothing.

Nonsense - Obama is the one who promoted and enforced global SANCTIONS against Russia. He was also aware that the American public in general (at the time) would not support a direct US military involvement in Ukraine.

Trump is Ukraine's best hope to negotiate a deal with Russia that has them keeping Crimea and some of the most heavily ethnic Russian territory of Ukraine.

Not up to Trump - but solely to Ukrainians aka the Zelensky administration.

How would you respond if some loudmouth Zelensky would tell the US government, that Mexican occupied US territory with a major Hispanic population needs to be ceded to Mexico. ?? especially after Mexico having driven out most of the non-Hispanics in those occupied states.

I would hope that the deal included both Zelensky and Putin setting early dates for free and open elections in their countries, but the U.S. has little leverage to force either of the dictators to do so.

To have "free & open" elections - one would need to restore the previous population setup - in these occupied territories.
This would take years and require a huge operation, mandated by the UN - therefore will never happen due to those Veto buggers.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, not a "lasting" peace - just for the time being

Nonsense - Obama is the one who promoted and enforced global SANCTIONS against Russia. He was also aware that the American public in general (at the time) would not support a direct US military involvement in Ukraine.

You've never stopped to wonder why Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden, but invaded no one under Trump?

Not up to Trump - but solely to Ukrainians aka the Zelensky administration.

How would you respond if some loudmouth Zelensky would tell the US government, that Mexican occupied US territory with a major Hispanic population needs to be ceded to Mexico. ?? especially after Mexico having driven out most of the non-Hispanics in those occupied states.

Oh, I agree with that logic 100%. Stop sending money and arms to Ukraine and that whole conflict goes back to being none of our business. Is that what you had in mind?

To have "free & open" elections - one would need to restore the previous population setup - in these occupied territories.
This would take years and require a huge operation, mandated by the UN - therefore will never happen due to those Veto buggers.

I'm sure you're right.

That's why we just need to stay out of this dictator on dictator conflict.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

To the OP: nope

 

[jc456]

Wrong

there was no such treaty

hey dumbfk, use the internet to stop looking so fking stupid

Ukraine crisis: What are the Minsk agreements and how Putin has been accused of ending the process

The Ukrainian government views them as a means to reunite Ukraine, but the Kremlin believes that the accords enshrine a process that would see a Russia-aligned administration in Luhansk and Donetsk and a special status granted to them before they are reunited with the rest of Ukraine.

news.sky.com

The Minsk agreements - named after the capital of Belarus where they were signed in 2014 and 2015 - attempt to secure a ceasefire between the Ukrainian government and Russia-backed separatists in the east of Ukraine.

 

[rightwinger]

Putin wants to have the say in ALL of Ukraine or at minimum ensure the "absolute neutrality" of Ukraine.

Why would Ukraine agree to that?