Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

[jwoodie]

Ukraine's natural resources and agricultural production would help with any plans of Putin.

So should we fight Russia over Ukraine for the same reason Britain fought the Germans over Poland?

 

[Woodznutz]

So should we fight Russia over Ukraine for the same reason Britain fought the Germans over Poland?

Yes, but with sanctions, not bullets.

 

[excalibur]

Israel owns Trump.

They say "jump" and he asks "how high?"

Oh, and here we are thinking Russia owned him.

Make up what is left of your mind(s).

 

[excalibur]

Let's finish w/you first.

What was the problem w/Ukraine that Biden ignored?

Begin with, saying a "minor incursion" was not a problem.

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During his long, rambling Jan. 19 press conference, President Joe Biden made yet another major policy misstep. Russia, he suggested would face but minor consequences if it restrained itself to but a “minor incursion” into Ukraine.​

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Unsurprisingly, the suggestion that an invasion—if properly sized—would draw only a wrist slap left officials in Kyiv gobsmacked. So, too, were officials across Europe, as well as many in the U.S. political, foreign policy, and defense establishments.​

Joe Biden’s “Minor Incursion” Russia Remark: History Proves It Was a Mistake

During his long, rambling Jan. 19 press conference, President Joe Biden made yet another major policy misstep. Russia, he suggested would face but minor consequences if it restrained itself to but a “minor incursion” into Ukraine.

www.heritage.org

 

[MarcATL]

Oh, and here we are thinking Russia owned him.

Make up what is left of your mind(s).

I know, it's really sad how he allows himself to be dragged around by the nose by all the worst characters in the world.

 

[excalibur]

I know, it's really sad how he allows himself to be dragged around by the nose by all the worst characters in the world.

Yeah, that's as bad a take as you have ever made, other than telling us Biden was sentient.

 

[jwoodie]

Yes, but with sanctions, not bullets.

Britain tried that against Germany - the Phony War (September 1939-April 1940). Then things heated up...

 

[Dragonlady]

Well, why sadly? Man up and just straight out say it without using "sadly".

At least he sees the reality of the situation

I rarely agree with President Trump, but his latest controversial statements about Ukraine are mostly true. They seem preposterous only because western audiences have been fed a steady diet of disinformation about Ukraine for more than a decade. It is time to set the record straight on three key points that illuminate why Ukrainians and former President Joe Biden — not merely Russian President Vladimir Putin — bear significant responsibility for the outbreak and perpetuation of war in Ukraine.​

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First, as recently documented by overwhelming forensic evidence, and affirmed even by a Kyiv court, it was Ukrainian right-wing militants who started the violence in 2014 that provoked Russia’s initial invasion of the country’s southeast including Crimea. Back then, Ukraine had a pro-Russia president, Viktor Yanukovych, who had won free and fair elections in 2010 with strong support from ethnic Russians in the country’s southeast.​

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In 2013, he decided to pursue economic cooperation with Russia rather than Europe as previously planned. Pro-western activists responded with mainly peaceful occupation of the capital’s Maidan square and government offices, until the president eventually offered substantial concessions in mid-February 2014, after which they mainly withdrew.​

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Just then, however, right-wing militants overlooking the square started shooting Ukrainian police and remaining protesters. Police returned fire at the militants, who then claimed bogusly that the police had killed the unarmed protesters. Outraged by this ostensible government massacre, Ukrainians descended on the capital and ousted the president, who fled to Russia for protection.​

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Putin responded by deploying troops to Crimea and weapons to the southeast Donbas region on behalf of ethnic Russians who felt their president had been undemocratically overthrown. While this backstory does not justify Russia’s invasion, it explains that it was hardly “unprovoked.”​

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Second, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky contributed to a wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership. The deals, known as Minsk 1 and 2, had been negotiated under his predecessor President Petro Poroshenko in 2014 and 2015 to end fighting in the southeast and protect endangered troops.​

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Ukraine was to guarantee Donbas limited political autonomy by the end of 2015, which Putin believed would be sufficient to prevent Ukraine from joining — or serving as a military base for — NATO. Regrettably, Ukraine refused for seven years to fulfill that commitment.​

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Zelensky even campaigned in 2019 on a promise to finally implement the accords to prevent further war. But after winning election, he reneged, apparently less concerned about risking war than looking weak on Russia.​

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Zelensky instead increased weapons imports from NATO countries, which was the last straw for Putin. So, on Feb. 21, 2022, Russia recognized the independence of Donbas, deployed troops there for “peacekeeping,” and demanded Zelensky renounce his quest for NATO military assistance and membership. ​

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When Zelensky again refused, Putin massively expanded his military offensive on Feb. 24. Intentionally or not, Zelensky had provoked Russian aggression, although that obviously does not excuse Moscow’s subsequent war crimes.​

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Third, Joe Biden too contributed crucially to the escalation and perpetuation of fighting. In late 2021, when Putin mobilized forces on Ukraine’s border and demanded implementation of the Minsk deals, it seemed obvious that unless Zelensky relented, Russia would invade to at least form a land bridge between Donbas and Crimea.​

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Even more tragic, whatever peace deal emerges after the war will be worse for Ukraine than the Minsk accords that Zelensky foolishly abandoned due to his political ambitions and naïve expectation of bottomless U.S. support.​

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

More bullshit and propaganda from Russian posters. Go fuck yourselves. Putin needs to go.

ALL OF THIS IS ON PUTIN AND TRUMP.

 

[PeterPilot]

Putin has had the high moral ground on the Ukraine matter since NATO started the move eastward in violation of promises made.

Was Putin stupid to believe the US Government? Likely so.

 

[mamooth]

Trump was supposed to end the war on day one. What happened?

Oh, that's right. Ukraine told him to piss off, concerning his "Ukraine must surrender everything" demand.

 

[mamooth]

Putin has had the high moral ground on the Ukraine matter since NATO started the move eastward in violation of promises made.

A special Hell awaits this fascist bootlicker.

 

[schmidlap]

Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day.​

I realize that he had to first make his Black immigrants in Ohio stop eating pet dogs and cats, but which one day did he have in mind?

It may finally be occurring to Trump that Putin is showing that he has regarded him as a joke since he insisted he could end Putin's war in a day.

“I am not happy with the Russian strikes on KYIV. Not necessary, and very bad timing. Vladimir, STOP! 5000 soldiers a week are dying. Lets get the Peace Deal DONE!”​

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Trump was reacting to Russia attacking Kyiv with an hourslong barrage of missiles and drones. At least 12 people were killed and 90 were injured in the deadliest assault on the city since last July​

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Trump's whining that he's not happy is sure to devastate the war criminal - and his North Korean and Chinese comrades.

 

[sartre play]

Well, why sadly? Man up and just straight out say it without using "sadly".

At least he sees the reality of the situation

I rarely agree with President Trump, but his latest controversial statements about Ukraine are mostly true. They seem preposterous only because western audiences have been fed a steady diet of disinformation about Ukraine for more than a decade. It is time to set the record straight on three key points that illuminate why Ukrainians and former President Joe Biden — not merely Russian President Vladimir Putin — bear significant responsibility for the outbreak and perpetuation of war in Ukraine.​

​

First, as recently documented by overwhelming forensic evidence, and affirmed even by a Kyiv court, it was Ukrainian right-wing militants who started the violence in 2014 that provoked Russia’s initial invasion of the country’s southeast including Crimea. Back then, Ukraine had a pro-Russia president, Viktor Yanukovych, who had won free and fair elections in 2010 with strong support from ethnic Russians in the country’s southeast.​

​

In 2013, he decided to pursue economic cooperation with Russia rather than Europe as previously planned. Pro-western activists responded with mainly peaceful occupation of the capital’s Maidan square and government offices, until the president eventually offered substantial concessions in mid-February 2014, after which they mainly withdrew.​

​

Just then, however, right-wing militants overlooking the square started shooting Ukrainian police and remaining protesters. Police returned fire at the militants, who then claimed bogusly that the police had killed the unarmed protesters. Outraged by this ostensible government massacre, Ukrainians descended on the capital and ousted the president, who fled to Russia for protection.​

​

Putin responded by deploying troops to Crimea and weapons to the southeast Donbas region on behalf of ethnic Russians who felt their president had been undemocratically overthrown. While this backstory does not justify Russia’s invasion, it explains that it was hardly “unprovoked.”​

​

Second, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky contributed to a wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership. The deals, known as Minsk 1 and 2, had been negotiated under his predecessor President Petro Poroshenko in 2014 and 2015 to end fighting in the southeast and protect endangered troops.​

​

Ukraine was to guarantee Donbas limited political autonomy by the end of 2015, which Putin believed would be sufficient to prevent Ukraine from joining — or serving as a military base for — NATO. Regrettably, Ukraine refused for seven years to fulfill that commitment.​

​

Zelensky even campaigned in 2019 on a promise to finally implement the accords to prevent further war. But after winning election, he reneged, apparently less concerned about risking war than looking weak on Russia.​

​

Zelensky instead increased weapons imports from NATO countries, which was the last straw for Putin. So, on Feb. 21, 2022, Russia recognized the independence of Donbas, deployed troops there for “peacekeeping,” and demanded Zelensky renounce his quest for NATO military assistance and membership. ​

​

When Zelensky again refused, Putin massively expanded his military offensive on Feb. 24. Intentionally or not, Zelensky had provoked Russian aggression, although that obviously does not excuse Moscow’s subsequent war crimes.​

​

Third, Joe Biden too contributed crucially to the escalation and perpetuation of fighting. In late 2021, when Putin mobilized forces on Ukraine’s border and demanded implementation of the Minsk deals, it seemed obvious that unless Zelensky relented, Russia would invade to at least form a land bridge between Donbas and Crimea.​

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Even more tragic, whatever peace deal emerges after the war will be worse for Ukraine than the Minsk accords that Zelensky foolishly abandoned due to his political ambitions and naïve expectation of bottomless U.S. support.​

https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

Yes how dumb to expect AMERICA TO SUPPORT.
a country saying WE want to be like AMERICA, FREE to run our own country.
And then AMERICA TOTALY GIVES IT AWAY.... TO A DICTATOR

 

[Rigby5]

After 80 days, the doddering blowhard has emboldened Putin to persist in slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, and invite North Korea and China to join in his fun.

Trump calls Putin ‘genius’ and ‘savvy’ for Ukraine invasion

Trump's promise to end the Ukraine war in a day
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North Korean troops in Ukraine

Ukraine captures Chinese nationals fighting for Russia

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Putin ignores Trump threat and rains death down on Ukraine​

Wrong.
The only massacres have been by the notoriously fascist and racist ethnic Polish of the Ukraine.
For example, all those massacred in Bucha, were those who spoke with a Russian accent.

Russians have always included many different ethnicities, that include Mongols, Tatars, Vikings, etc.
The Polish are the Scythians and Cimmerians who hate Asians and moved west to avoid them.
So the ethnic Polish can not be allowed to rule over the native ethnic Russians of the Ukraine.
The ethnic Polish will continue massacring the natives as they did in 2014.

 

[Rigby5]

Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day.​

I realize that he had to first make his Black immigrants in Ohio stop eating pet dogs and cats, but which one day did he have in mind?

It may finally be occurring to Trump that Putin is showing that he has regarded him as a joke since he insisted he could end Putin's war in a day.

“I am not happy with the Russian strikes on KYIV. Not necessary, and very bad timing. Vladimir, STOP! 5000 soldiers a week are dying. Lets get the Peace Deal DONE!”​

​

Trump was reacting to Russia attacking Kyiv with an hourslong barrage of missiles and drones. At least 12 people were killed and 90 were injured in the deadliest assault on the city since last July​

​

Trump's whining that he's not happy is sure to devastate the war criminal - and his North Korean and Chinese comrades.

Zelensky is the only "war criminal".
He deliberately violated treaties, such as the Russian use of Sevastopol, the protection of ethnic Russian natives, no foreign hostile alliances, etc.

 

[schmidlap]

Zelensky is the only "war criminal".
He deliberately violated treaties, such as the Russian use of Sevastopol, the protection of ethnic Russian natives, no foreign hostile alliances, etc.

As the record confirms, in February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it.

Both nations should return to their pre-2014 borders, and respect them.

Putin is making Trump pissy by ignoring him and continuing his savagery in Ukraine.

International court issues war crimes warrant for Putin​

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