Israel Don't Retaliate!

[Coyote]

….

Nobody wants to.

But the entire point of alliances is that you help your ally when the going gets tough

Not when they take actions to escalate a conflict everyone desperately trying to keep local while also supporting their right to defend themselves. That isn’t “when the going gets tough”…that is turning a legitimately defensive war into one that looks more offensive than defensive and that is not something we should be dragged in to.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why would you think that? There is no evidence Israel anticipated this level of response and quite likely Iran could have produced a much more devastating attack (given what is known about their capabilities) if it had wanted to, it would not have given a 72 hr heads up.



To quote you: blah blah blah





Agree. But targeting of embassies in an already tense conflict is not the solution nor a good precedent to cheer. Israel has the capability for extremely precise strikes, it could have taken the target out elsewhere and there no one would have said much.

Do you want us dragged in to a direct conflict?

The US is already in a direct conflict with Iran, and as soon as Biden wakes up from his nap, he will realize it.

US Forces Attacked 151 Times in Iraq, Syria During Biden Presidency​

US Forces Attacked 151 Times in Iraq, Syria During Biden Presidency

More than a third of those attacks have come in the last month

www.voanews.com

 

[Rawley]

No. Not hitting an embassy. They could have targeted him elsewhere.

What difference does that make? You think the Iranians hold embassies sacred? LOL were you around in 1979?

I didn’t see any reference to the target being behind 10/7 though, just a sr commander tied to Hezbollah?

Iranian general whose assassination triggered weekend attack on Israel helped plan Oct. 7: report

An Iranian-backed group’s description of the slain officer marked the “clearest admission of Iran’s involvement in the atrocities which saw 1,200 mostly civilians murdered and over 250 …

nypost.com

Iranian General Killed In Israeli Strike Was Architect Of October 7

An ultra-conservative political group in Iran said slain IRGC commander Mohammad Reza Zahedi was involved in the planning and execution of Hamas’s deadly October 7 attack against Israel.

www.iranintl.com

WSJ News Exclusive | Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut.

www.wsj.com

 

[ShahdagMountains]

What difference does that make? You think the Iranians hold embassies sacred? LOL were you around in 1979?

The Iranians attacked and occupied the American embassy in Tehran.

 

[Lisa558]

The Iranians attacked and occupied the American embassy in Tehran.

Different standards for Jews.

(And that’s ignoring that the Jews didn’t seize the embassy and hold Iranians hostage for 444 days.)

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Different standards for Jews.

Always.

 

[Coyote]

The US is already in a direct conflict with Iran, and as soon as Biden wakes up from his nap, he will realize it.

US Forces Attacked 151 Times in Iraq, Syria During Biden Presidency​

US Forces Attacked 151 Times in Iraq, Syria During Biden Presidency

More than a third of those attacks have come in the last month

www.voanews.com

No. It isn’t. Iraq and Syria are not US territory.


So does this mean your answer is yes, you want us at war with Iran? WW3?

Iran and Israel have had a shadow war for years…now, Israel escalated it by attacking an embassy….Iran retaliated with it’s own escalation, so Israel is going to have to respond with…what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The first hostile act of war was committed by the Iranian Mullahs.

Not the Jews.

As far as generals getting killed , tough shit. They are balligerants in the war. Should have been wearing a helmet and been prepared.

How far back are we going here?

Iran's current style of govt didn't even exist when "the first hostile act of war" was taking place in the region.

 

[toomuchtime_]

No. It isn’t. Iraq and Syria are not US territory.


So does this mean your answer is yes, you want us at war with Iran? WW3?

Iran and Israel have had a shadow war for years…now, Israel escalated it by attacking an embassy….Iran retaliated with it’s own escalation, so Israel is going to have to respond with…what?

US forces have been attacked by Iranian proxies over 151 times since Biden took office. Iran boasts about these attacks and threatens more attacks and Biden pretends he doesn't notice. The only reason the attacks have not been on US soil is that they can't reach it. America has no more determined enemy than Iran; just ask them and they'll tell you it's true.

There is no rational scenario in which the US holding Iran directly responsible for its attacks on US forces would lead to WW3.

There is no faster way to bring peace to the ME than to force Iran to abandon its proxy attacks across the ME, and there is no surer way to continue the violence than to be afraid to hold Iran accountable for these attacks against the US, Israel and many of the US' Arab allies in the ME.

 

[Coyote]

US forces have been attacked by Iranian proxies over 151 times since Biden took office. Iran boasts about these attacks and threatens more attacks and Biden pretends he doesn't notice. The only reason the attacks have not been on US soil is that they can't reach it. America has no more determined enemy than Iran; just ask them and they'll tell you it's true.

There is no rational scenario in which the US holding Iran directly responsible for its attacks on US forces would lead to WW3.

Attacking Iran directly on it’s territory would be the kind of escalation that could.

There is no faster way to bring peace to the ME than to force Iran to abandon its proxy attacks across the ME, and there is no surer way to continue the violence than to be afraid to hold Iran accountable for these attacks against the US, Israel and many of the US' Arab allies in the ME.

Agree. But right now, the Middle East is already embroiled in one conflict that is stressing alliances, what will opening up another conflict at this time do? Are you prepared to send soldiers?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Attacking Iran directly on it’s territory would be the kind of escalation that could.




Agree. But right now, the Middle East is already embroiled in one conflict that is stressing alliances, what will opening up another conflict at this time do? Are you prepared to send soldiers?

Again, there is no rational scenario in which retaliating directly against Iran for its attacks on US forces and US allies would lead to WW3.

The ME is embroiled in conflicts all of which stem from Iran. Now is the perfect time to hold Iran accountable for its actions.

There would be no need to invade Iran so no need for soldiers. US officials are saying half the ballistic missiles Iran fired at Israel either failed to launch or malfunctioned and crashed before reaching Israel. Iran is no military powerhouse. Iran's air defenses and military assets can be destroyed from the air to the extent that Iran would be unable to defend itself from even lesser powers than Israel or the US, and that would lead to the end of all the conflicts Iran has been supporting.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The American public should be speaking out and calling for the U.S. government to at least privately tell the Israeli government not to retaliate over the missile attack they received from Iran last night, circumstances do not warrant a retaliation and the likely consequence of a retaliation is ultimately U.S. soldiers and/or U.S. government personnel in the Middle East are going to be killed at the hands of Iran or Iran's proxies with the justification that the U.S. has become allies in the Israelis war against the Palestinians in the Gaza strip and ultimately world opinion will ultimately believe that the Israeli government needlessly triggered this round of violence and it will chip away at the perception or reputation of the country of Israel as the victim in the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim conflict.

Reports are that Israeli is planning a major retaliation over last night's missile and drone attack from Iran and if they do they will be making the same mistake they did in their response to the October 7th attack; Israel should have limited their offensive to destroying the three hundred mile tunnel system in Gaza and used their stature and good will they would have had to get the intelligence services of the U.S., Major European countries and Arab allies to bolster the Palestinian authority and drive our and eliminate Hamas from Gaza for they offer no future for the Palestinian people now you have left Hamas as the only defender of the Palestinian people in Gaza in these Palestinian minds! Part of the problem is that the Israel government lets the media play the situation like a fiddle. The media is now stoking retaliation, they are fanning the flames for retaliation ( Israel was never before hit with 350 missile and drone attacks if Israel doesn't retaliate bad countries will think they can get away with such an attack against Israel) then after they get the ratings boost of the violence of retaliation then they will focus on the fairness of the situation then they will look at the merits of the situation and ask what was the good and right thing to do, after it is too late! This is what is a good and fair perspective in this situation calls for! There was no significant damage to infrastructure or loss of human life in last night's attack thank God, Israel's allies and the IDF; this lack of major harm is critical in the analysis of what Israel needs to do, remember this was not an unprovoked attack against Israel, this attack was a response to Israel's bombing of Iran's embassy in Syria which killed seven Iranians including two senior commanders where one Mohammad Zahedi was a highly reputable Quds Force Commander. This attack which significantly hurt Iran should have been expected and in all fairness should have been presumed to bring a major retaliation like what was seen last night for Iran cannot lose its street credibility amongst those fighting on behalf of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

If Israel retaliates now in a major way Iran will then have to retaliate in a major way which will almost certainly include an air strike against Israel and because Israel is a close ally of America, America will have to help provide air defense protection for Israel which will result in America shooting down Iran's air weapons in the next retaliation and so Iran from their legitimate perspective can conclude America involved themselves in Iran's fight against Israel and now they are fair game to attack and they will be attacked so Iran can save face meaning Americans will die and be seriously wounded and this will cycle into a back and forth attack against Iran and because Iran has high credibility amongst radical Islamic terrorists they will side with Iran against America so America will likely be a target of Islamic terrorism from these groups meaning Americans will be killed and wounded in this front. When all the dust has settled the media will shine a spotlight on the fact that Israel didn't need to retaliate over the April 13th attack not much harm resulted and it was a provoked attack provoked by the embassy bombing in Syria and it will further lead to the conclusion that Israel isn't doing its part isn't acting like a good country in this Israel vs. the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim conflict. This reputation damage to Israel if it continues its trajectory will eventually have a serious impact on Israel and Israelis, they will be ostracized economically and from a movement or travel standpoint they will be the bad guys in the conflict! All this Hezbollah, Iran, Yemen violence is all stemming from Israel's military campaign in Gaza these actors want the campaign ended so Israel needs to expedite their job here let all the Palestinian families that lived in northern Gaza return to northern Gaza and provide a good evacuation plan for the balance of civilians in Rafah who are willing to evacuate and then conduct their offensive in Rafah against Hamas expeditiously and completely then stop the military campaign in Gaza they don't have to leave immediately but they need to stop the bombings that kill significant numbers of Palestinian in a single strike so the world can see an end to the humanitarian crisis against Palestinian in Gaza and so Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen and the Iranians won't be forced to actively fight Israel to defend Palestinian civilians!

Nebble Chamberlame

Your appease porridge has turned to rot from being exposed too long to hot air.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It does not matter if it is Ham's Ass or Iran attacking Israel, you Leftists demand they stand down each and every time.

Biden gets attacked by Hootie and the Blow Fish backed by Iran and the US does nothing. Ham's Ass takes American hostages and murders them and Biden does nothing.

WTH?

The Iranians have been shouting death to Israel and the US every day since the 1970s, and now they shout death to America in the US with impunity and backed by the DNC.

WTH?

WTH is wrong with the US of A?

There is but one fate for Iran

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Peace at last!!!

Nuke Till They Puke

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This is proof we need to prevent Iran from possessing nuclear weapons at all costs.

Crazy religious nut jobs

Theocratic Thrill-Killers

 

[peacefan]

The American public should be speaking out and calling for the U.S. government to at least privately tell the Israeli government not to retaliate over the missile attack they received from Iran last night, circumstances do not warrant a retaliation and the likely consequence of a retaliation is ultimately U.S. soldiers and/or U.S. government personnel in the Middle East are going to be killed at the hands of Iran or Iran's proxies with the justification that the U.S. has become allies in the Israelis war against the Palestinians in the Gaza strip and ultimately world opinion will ultimately believe that the Israeli government needlessly triggered this round of violence and it will chip away at the perception or reputation of the country of Israel as the victim in the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim conflict.

Reports are that Israeli is planning a major retaliation over last night's missile and drone attack from Iran and if they do they will be making the same mistake they did in their response to the October 7th attack; Israel should have limited their offensive to destroying the three hundred mile tunnel system in Gaza and used their stature and good will they would have had to get the intelligence services of the U.S., Major European countries and Arab allies to bolster the Palestinian authority and drive our and eliminate Hamas from Gaza for they offer no future for the Palestinian people now you have left Hamas as the only defender of the Palestinian people in Gaza in these Palestinian minds! Part of the problem is that the Israel government lets the media play the situation like a fiddle. The media is now stoking retaliation, they are fanning the flames for retaliation ( Israel was never before hit with 350 missile and drone attacks if Israel doesn't retaliate bad countries will think they can get away with such an attack against Israel) then after they get the ratings boost of the violence of retaliation then they will focus on the fairness of the situation then they will look at the merits of the situation and ask what was the good and right thing to do, after it is too late! This is what is a good and fair perspective in this situation calls for! There was no significant damage to infrastructure or loss of human life in last night's attack thank God, Israel's allies and the IDF; this lack of major harm is critical in the analysis of what Israel needs to do, remember this was not an unprovoked attack against Israel, this attack was a response to Israel's bombing of Iran's embassy in Syria which killed seven Iranians including two senior commanders where one Mohammad Zahedi was a highly reputable Quds Force Commander. This attack which significantly hurt Iran should have been expected and in all fairness should have been presumed to bring a major retaliation like what was seen last night for Iran cannot lose its street credibility amongst those fighting on behalf of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

If Israel retaliates now in a major way Iran will then have to retaliate in a major way which will almost certainly include an air strike against Israel and because Israel is a close ally of America, America will have to help provide air defense protection for Israel which will result in America shooting down Iran's air weapons in the next retaliation and so Iran from their legitimate perspective can conclude America involved themselves in Iran's fight against Israel and now they are fair game to attack and they will be attacked so Iran can save face meaning Americans will die and be seriously wounded and this will cycle into a back and forth attack against Iran and because Iran has high credibility amongst radical Islamic terrorists they will side with Iran against America so America will likely be a target of Islamic terrorism from these groups meaning Americans will be killed and wounded in this front. When all the dust has settled the media will shine a spotlight on the fact that Israel didn't need to retaliate over the April 13th attack not much harm resulted and it was a provoked attack provoked by the embassy bombing in Syria and it will further lead to the conclusion that Israel isn't doing its part isn't acting like a good country in this Israel vs. the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim conflict. This reputation damage to Israel if it continues its trajectory will eventually have a serious impact on Israel and Israelis, they will be ostracized economically and from a movement or travel standpoint they will be the bad guys in the conflict! All this Hezbollah, Iran, Yemen violence is all stemming from Israel's military campaign in Gaza these actors want the campaign ended so Israel needs to expedite their job here let all the Palestinian families that lived in northern Gaza return to northern Gaza and provide a good evacuation plan for the balance of civilians in Rafah who are willing to evacuate and then conduct their offensive in Rafah against Hamas expeditiously and completely then stop the military campaign in Gaza they don't have to leave immediately but they need to stop the bombings that kill significant numbers of Palestinian in a single strike so the world can see an end to the humanitarian crisis against Palestinian in Gaza and so Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen and the Iranians won't be forced to actively fight Israel to defend Palestinian civilians!

the only thing the Iranians respect is raw strength.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Thus the question becomes is it better to kill the enemies in defense, be hated & live or not retaliate, be loved & be dead?

Hoplophobe Holocaust

 

[Shusha]

There is no faster way to bring peace to the ME than to force Iran to abandon its proxy attacks across the ME, and there is no surer way to continue the violence than to be afraid to hold Iran accountable for these attacks against the US, Israel and many of the US' Arab allies in the ME.

I'm wondering if the Israeli attack on the embassy was opportunistic, rather than planned. And I suspect Iran's response was both a gesture to "save face" and possibly a test of both Israel's military capabilities to knock nasties out of the sky, and a test of Israel's allies to see who would match their words to actions. And I think Iran got really sound information out of it.

I agree that holding Iran accountable is the next best step towards regional peace, and, honestly, Israel's allies would be silly not to take this opportunity using Israel as an excuse for it. (I hope that makes sense).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Yes.
And?

Japan bombed Pearl Harbor
Germany killed 6 million Jews
Britain burned the White House.

So?

Go. Glow. Blow.

How did we get even for Pearl Harbor? And Andrew Jackson's lopsided victory at New Orleans got even for the burning of the White House. The success of Israel deeply humiliates the Neo-Nazis.

 

[Dadoalex]

Go. Glow. Blow.

How did we get even for Pearl Harbor? And Andrew Jackson's lopsided victory at New Orleans got even for the burning of the White House. The success of Israel deeply humiliates the Neo-Nazis.

How?

You bought up a 40 year old thing between the US and Iran.
I figured you were going for irrelevance.

 

[ShahdagMountains]