It is absurd to use the word "REASON" to describe Atheism.

[Youwerecreated]

How could there be darkness, the bible said that light was created before and independent of the sun, so if there was no sun or stars there would still be light.

Just go to Alaska, it never gets dark there because it is always lit by the light created by God before he created the sun.

Here is the first day of creation.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided between the light and the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now to explain what you are leading up to.

6* ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10* And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11* And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12* And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14* ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16* And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Don't play dumb, light in the universe, evenings and mornings, created on day 1 exists independent of the sun and moon according to the bible and so there would still be light without the sun and moon, created on day 4, like in Alaska. After all, the bible can't possibly be wrong!

I noticed you left off the explanation.

 

[edthecynic]

Here is the first day of creation.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided between the light and the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now to explain what you are leading up to.

6* ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10* And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11* And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12* And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14* ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16* And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Don't play dumb, light in the universe, evenings and mornings, created on day 1 exists independent of the sun and moon according to the bible and so there would still be light without the sun and moon, created on day 4, like in Alaska. After all, the bible can't possibly be wrong!

I noticed you left off the explanation.

The "explanation" had nothing to do with Gen 1 saying light was created on day 1, separating dark from light and evening from morning before the sun and moon did the same thing on day 4. Gen 2 is not involved at all, so your "explanation" is just a diversion. The fact remains that without the sun and moon there would still the light of day 1, just like in Alaska.

 

[Youwerecreated]

How could there be darkness, the bible said that light was created before and independent of the sun, so if there was no sun or stars there would still be light.

Just go to Alaska, it never gets dark there because it is always lit by the light created by God before he created the sun.

Here is the first day of creation.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided between the light and the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now to explain what you are leading up to.

6* ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10* And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11* And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12* And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14* ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16* And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Don't play dumb, light in the universe, evenings and mornings, created on day 1 exists independent of the sun and moon according to the bible and so there would still be light without the sun and moon, created on day 4, like in Alaska. After all, the bible can't possibly be wrong!

Here is the answer.

Light before the sun?

 

[Youwerecreated]

6* ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10* And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11* And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12* And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14* ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16* And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Don't play dumb, light in the universe, evenings and mornings, created on day 1 exists independent of the sun and moon according to the bible and so there would still be light without the sun and moon, created on day 4, like in Alaska. After all, the bible can't possibly be wrong!

I noticed you left off the explanation.

The "explanation" had nothing to do with Gen 1 saying light was created on day 1, separating dark from light and evening from morning before the sun and moon did the same thing on day 4. Gen 2 is not involved at all, so your "explanation" is just a diversion. The fact remains that without the sun and moon there would still the light of day 1, just like in Alaska.

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

Who was roaming the dark earth ?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light.


God was the light and he created the sun,moon,and stars on the 4th day.

Moses just being in Gods presence caused his face to be luminous.

Exo 34:29 And it happened as Moses was going down from the mountain of Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony being in Moses' hand as he went down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face had become luminous through His speaking with him.
Exo 34:30 And Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face had become luminous. And they were afraid to come near him.
Exo 34:31 And Moses called to them. And Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them.
Exo 34:32 And afterward all the sons of Israel came near. And he commanded them all that Jehovah had spoken with him in Mount Sinai.
Exo 34:33 And Moses finished speaking with them, and he put a veil on his face.
Exo 34:34 But when Moses went in before Jehovah to speak with Him, he took the veil off until he came out. And he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel that which he was commanded.
Exo 34:35 And the sons of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face had become luminous. And Moses put the veil upon his face again, until he went in to speak with Him.

 

[edthecynic]

I noticed you left off the explanation.

The "explanation" had nothing to do with Gen 1 saying light was created on day 1, separating dark from light and evening from morning before the sun and moon did the same thing on day 4. Gen 2 is not involved at all, so your "explanation" is just a diversion. The fact remains that without the sun and moon there would still the light of day 1, just like in Alaska.

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The "explanation" had nothing to do with Gen 1 saying light was created on day 1, separating dark from light and evening from morning before the sun and moon did the same thing on day 4. Gen 2 is not involved at all, so your "explanation" is just a diversion. The fact remains that without the sun and moon there would still the light of day 1, just like in Alaska.

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Infinite man can't completely wrap their minds around the greatness of Almighty God. Heck we can't even understand how God created all things and that he is eternal.

 

[Dr.Drock]

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

So your explanation is god was a dark looking god and turned himself into a light producing god?

 

[edthecynic]

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

You keep trying to change the subject.

God said let there be light, and there was light. That does not compute with God is light that has always existed.
Admit it, you are just making up a load of crap!

Gen 1:1* ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2* And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3* ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4* And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

So your explanation is god was a dark looking god and turned himself into a light producing god?

I don't know what God meant completely by saying let there be light,whether he caused himself become more light but that is what I think he meant.

God is light both phsically and figuratively.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

You keep trying to change the subject.

God said let there be light, and there was light. That does not compute with God is light that has always existed.
Admit it, you are just making up a load of crap!

Gen 1:1* ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2* And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3* ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4* And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Nope,I was not there and we know God does not go into complete detail on many things. I just offered an opinion can I be wrong of course I can. But none of us was there to know what that saying meant but it is clear he created the sun,moon,and stars on the 4th day.

 

[edthecynic]

What the light was,was God no he did not create himself. It is said no one can see God in his full glory and live. It is also said he who creates is greather then the creation but yet God created the sun,moon,and stars.

Can you imagine the energy God puts off. Moses was only able to see a glimpse of God and he became luminous.

You keep trying to change the subject.

God said let there be light, and there was light. That does not compute with God is light that has always existed.
Admit it, you are just making up a load of crap!

Gen 1:1* ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2* And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3* ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4* And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Nope,I was not there and we know God does not go into complete detail on many things. I just offered an opinion can I be wrong of course I can. But none of us was there to know what that saying meant but it is clear he created the sun,moon,and stars on the 4th day.

And he didn't say "Let there be me" on the first day, so the light he created on the first day is a light independent of the sun, moon and stars created on the 4th day. And so without the sun, moon and stars there would still be the light from day 1, like in Alaska.

 

[hortysir]

The "explanation" had nothing to do with Gen 1 saying light was created on day 1, separating dark from light and evening from morning before the sun and moon did the same thing on day 4. Gen 2 is not involved at all, so your "explanation" is just a diversion. The fact remains that without the sun and moon there would still the light of day 1, just like in Alaska.

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

Allow my interruption, folks....




Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Light"

John 1:1 tells us that, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Now what do you think HE meant when HE said, "Let there be Light"

 

[edthecynic]

God is light.

1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

Allow my interruption, folks....
Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Light"

John 1:1 tells us that, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Now what do you think HE meant when HE said, "Let there be Light"

Let there be ME. And he created himself.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

Allow my interruption, folks....
Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Light"

John 1:1 tells us that, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Now what do you think HE meant when HE said, "Let there be Light"

Let there be ME. And he created himself.

because we have opinions ? Do you have an answer yet for the receding moon that 1.6 billion years ago according to your views ,the moon was touching the earth ? Or is this your attempt to deflect the question ?

It kills most of your theories. But like I said why should we be surprised that the biblical timeline better fits the evidence then mans timeline.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So God created himself on day 1.
This gets better every post. Do continue.

Allow my interruption, folks....
Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Light"

John 1:1 tells us that, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Now what do you think HE meant when HE said, "Let there be Light"

Let there be ME. And he created himself.

Let there be me and there was light he didn't create himself. Or if you believe that Jesus was the first thing created he was indeed the light.

This is where the non-trinitarians have an advantage in their view.

Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So when God said let there be light was that the person of Jesus that was created. God reveals himself several different person and forms.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Here is another person that God revealed himself in.

Exo 3:2 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire, out of the midst of a thorn bush. And he looked. And behold! The thorn bush burned with fire! And the thorn bush was not burned up.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the thorn bush is not burned up.
Exo 3:4 And Jehovah saw that he had turned aside to see. God called to him out of the midst of the thorn bush, and said, Moses! Moses! And he said, Here I am.
Exo 3:5 And He said, Do not come near here. Pull off your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you stand is holy ground.

God cannot appear to men in his full glory or all who see the face of God would die.

Exo 33:20 And He said, You cannot see My face. For there no man can see Me and live.

 

[uscitizen]

Reason and faith are sort of opposites I suppose.

Religion is based on faith and atheists see no reason to have faith in something that cannot be proven.

 

[uscitizen]

rea·son   /ˈrizən/ Show Spelled[ree-zuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2. a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.
3. the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences.
4. sound judgment; good sense.
5. normal or sound powers of mind; sanity.
EXPAND6. Logic . a premise of an argument. 7. Philosophy . a. the faculty or power of acquiring intellectual knowledge, either by direct understanding of first principles or by argument. b. the power of intelligent and dispassionate thought, or of conduct influenced by such thought. c. Kantianism . the faculty by which the ideas of pure reason are created. COLLAPSE
verb (used without object)
8. to think or argue in a logical manner.
9. to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises.
10. to urge reasons which should determine belief or action.


faith   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled[feyth] Show IPA
noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
EXPAND6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith. 7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles. 8. Christian Theology . the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved. COLLAPSE
Idiom
9. in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.

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