'Jane Roe' of Roe v. Wade Endorses Ron Paul for President

[Angel Heart]

I have no problem with abortion at any time if the mother's health is at stake.

And what if she's full term? Fully viable baby?

 

[Bern80]

And what if she's full term? Fully viable baby?

Then you enter a moral conundrum. Worst case scenario is that for one to live the other has to die. In which case I don't have a problem with the mother choosing which one of them it's going to be.

 

[bennylava]

"Stopping life from forming in the first place is not the same as stopping it once it has formed, though."
And yet there's a gray area there. A lot of hormonal birth control and IUDs prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. There are people who consider that to be tantamount to abortion.
There are lots of supplements and herbs out there than can do the same thing. High levels of vitamin C will often keep a fertilized from implanting.

I think we need to question why this country was based on state's rights. IMO, it was because there was such a huge difference in the economies and social structures between the northern and southern states. It was a way to allow the southern states to keep slavery legal.

We are in a modern age now, we are no longer just north and south. We are midwest, west, hawaii, and alaska. The idea that everything should be up to the states is quite antiquated.

 

[AllieBaba]

States have a right to make whatever law they wish.

If you live in a state that is pushing for making it illegal, then do your part as a citizen and lobby your community against it.

I believe it should be a ballot referendum, so that the citizens of the state can decide their law on that issue.

That way, you can't complain about the law, because you could have been a part of the decision if you cared enough to.

That's how this country was suppoed to work, when it was conceptualized. Over time though, we decided we didn't care anymore. Especially when the TV was invented.

I've led a varied and eventful life, working in different fields and briefly in journalism as well. I've had lots of exposure. And the topics I'm drawn to are naturally topics I have some knowledge of. I don't just go blathering about things I don't know anything about, unlike some.

Strange, if I was full of shit you'd be able to actually prove what I say isn't true. Since you can't, you just claim, "you know everything about everything...how CAN that be???"

What a maroon.

 

[Angel Heart]

Then you enter a moral conundrum. Worst case scenario is that for one to live the other has to die. In which case I don't have a problem with the mother choosing which one of them it's going to be.

But abortions are being done at times when both can be saved. What then? What of the ones saying that if they deliver the child they will kill themselves? They consider that life threatening. Even if the woman is 9 months. It makes no sense to me.

As far as anything past 20 week, I'm totally against it. Give the child a chance at life. Error on the side of life.

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm confused by the view that a baby at 6 weeks is any less a baby than a baby at 20 weeks. Just because our medicine hasn't come up with a way yet to keep a 6 week old baby alive (but it won't be long) doesn't mean it's a throw-away, and we should be allowed the option of yanking it out of the mechanism which keeps it alive.

And you will never find pro-abortionists state that they think there should be any limit on when a mother should be able to kill her baby before 9 months. The ones who waffle aren't truly committed to the concept, and know in their hearts it's wrong.

 

[Shogun]

And you will never find pro-abortionists state that they think there should be any limit on when a mother should be able to kill her baby before 9 months. The ones who waffle aren't truly committed to the concept, and know in their hearts it's wrong.


how many times have you read my abortion compromise which is set at the development of the heartbeat?


why must you say dumb shit?

 

[Paulie]

I've led a varied and eventful life, working in different fields and briefly in journalism as well. I've had lots of exposure. And the topics I'm drawn to are naturally topics I have some knowledge of. I don't just go blathering about things I don't know anything about, unlike some.

Strange, if I was full of shit you'd be able to actually prove what I say isn't true. Since you can't, you just claim, "you know everything about everything...how CAN that be???"

What a maroon.

Ehh, you're in a multitude of threads talking about your personal connection to the topic at hand. How would one prove you don't have a connection, when you're an anonymous internet message board poster? You can pretend to be anyone.

So yeah, I call bullshit. Deal with it.

 

[Bern80]

And yet there's a gray area there. A lot of hormonal birth control and IUDs prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. There are people who consider that to be tantamount to abortion.
There are lots of supplements and herbs out there than can do the same thing. High levels of vitamin C will often keep a fertilized from implanting.

I suppose technically that is abortion. You are aborting, stopping, halting a pregnancy. There are various stages of development within a pregnancy which I think is the real issue, but at the end of the day technically anything that stops further development after the egg has been fertilized is abortion.

I think we need to question why this country was based on state's rights. IMO, it was because there was such a huge difference in the economies and social structures between the northern and southern states. It was a way to allow the southern states to keep slavery legal.

We are in a modern age now, we are no longer just north and south. We are midwest, west, hawaii, and alaska. The idea that everything should be up to the states is quite antiquated.

Why have states at all then? The system is not as antiquated as you might think. States run all forms of public safety from sheriffs to firefighters for example. Different areas of the country have different needs thus different laws.

 

[AllieBaba]

Ehh, you're in a multitude of threads talking about your personal connection to the topic at hand. How would one prove you don't have a connection, when you're an anonymous internet message board poster? You can pretend to be anyone.

So yeah, I call bullshit. Deal with it.

A good place to start would be to prove me wrong in any of my statements about the topics.

Since you can't do that, you have to attempt to divert by saying, "Well, it might be true, but she had to have READ it somewhere."

There are people out there with varied life experiences, who have many years under their belts. I'm one of them. Get over. Some day you'll be a big boy and get to talk about things you've actually experienced, yourself. Be patient, little one.

 

[Paulie]

A good place to start would be to prove me wrong in any of my statements about the topics.

From what I'm seeing, the other's here are doing a damn fine job of that already. I'm not sure how exactly one would prove that you did or didn't escort women to get abortions, study bio fuels, or do any of the other plethora of things you say you've done which are supposed to prove your higher knowledge of the subjects at hand.

You don't provide information. All you do is provide your opinions, and list the kinds of people you despise.

I say you're a 17 year old boy who reads lots of books, and gets a woody pretending to be a middle aged woman.

Prove you're not.

There are people out there with varied life experiences, who have many years under their belts. I'm one of them.

SURE you are! I'm convinced now!

Some day you'll be a big boy

I'm sure those are you're favorite kind, Babble.

 

[AllieBaba]

Moron. Prove that the things I've said are untrue. Not about what I'm doing...but that women who are 6-7 months pregnant don't get abortions, or biofuels don't consume more energy than they produce.

Psst...I worked in residential drug treatment. That's how I ended up escorting women to abortion clinics. And I wrote a feature for a special insert on biofuels. That's how I know more than you do about biofuels.

Instead of whining about how nobody could possibly have actual experience, why don't you actually look stuff up on your own? Instead of depending on others to do it for you, then claiming they can't POSSIBLY know. If you want to prove me wrong, do it, and quit whining.

 

[Paulie]

Moron. Prove that the things I've said are untrue. Not about what I'm doing...but that women who are 6-7 months pregnant don't get abortions, or biofuels don't consume more energy than they produce.

Psst...I worked in residential drug treatment. That's how I ended up escorting women to abortion clinics. And I wrote a feature for a special insert on biofuels. That's how I know more than you do about biofuels.

Instead of whining about how nobody could possibly have actual experience, why don't you actually look stuff up on your own? Instead of depending on others to do it for you, then claiming they can't POSSIBLY know. If you want to prove me wrong, do it, and quit whining.

Nah.

I have political canvassing to go do Babble. See, instead of wasting my life away writing about my opinions, and then arguing them on message boards (what an ultimate accomplishment, btw), I get involved in the political process to actually help MAKE changes. I can't be bothered discussing your self-proclaimed higher knowledge of subjects right now.

I might come back later tonight and indulge you. I'm sure you'll still be logged on, arguing and opining away.

 

[AllieBaba]

Lol. Like any good lib, you'll spend lots of time making claims which have nothing to do with the topic, and nothing to do with fact..then run instead of actually address the issues.

You go on and canvass. Some of us actually work with people..instead of manipulate them. Sorry if that makes you mad.

 

[bennylava]

Different areas of the country have different needs thus different laws.

In some ways, this is true. I fail to see however how a child in Mississippi has different educational needs than a child in Minnesota. I'm just using this as an example. Why do we let some of the children in our country live in states that have horrific educational systems and others get to have great educational systems? Is it the right of a state to neglect it's children?
Wouldn't it be better if we decided that all American children are equal and if the states can't get their act together, then the feds need to take over?

I fail to see how women in one state have different needs than women in another state in terms of reproduction freedom. Reproductive rights shouldn't be subject to what particular state you happen to live in. Then there is the issue that people can and do organize to get women to different states for abortions.
I just think it's nonsense.

Roads, I can see. Different states have different geography, weather and traffic patterns. Things like that make sense.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

In some ways, this is true. I fail to see however how a child in Mississippi has different educational needs than a child in Minnesota. I'm just using this as an example. Why do we let some of the children in our country live in states that have horrific educational systems and others get to have great educational systems? Is it the right of a state to neglect it's children?
Wouldn't it be better if we decided that all American children are equal and if the states can't get their act together, then the feds need to take over?

I fail to see how women in one state have different needs than women in another state in terms of reproduction freedom. Reproductive rights shouldn't be subject to what particular state you happen to live in. Then there is the issue that people can and do organize to get women to different states for abortions.
I just think it's nonsense.

Roads, I can see. Different states have different geography, weather and traffic patterns. Things like that make sense.

You fail to see this. You fail to see that. Well, it's your right to fail. Isn't it also the right of any particular state to fail as well?

You seem to think it is your duty to make sure that people cannot "fail" with regard to deciding things like abortion or education or smoking or whatever...that is a sure sign of a controlling liberal....liberals are not about freedom, they would rather control the world because they "know better".

Sometimes freedom involves failure. Shouldn't people have the right to vote on things themselves instead of having pinheaded liberals in Congress dictating their lives to them?

 

[Shogun]

so, was that offering of stupidity supposed to highlight that it's YOUR side limiting options by CONTROLLING available choices, which facilitates the chance of failure, or was it just supposed to give Allie Baba a stiffy?

 

[AllieBaba]

I think death is pretty much the ultimate failure when it comes to a child.

 

[Shogun]

thankfully, a cluster of cells is not a child.

 

[AllieBaba]

Unless you happen to be trying to have one and can't.