Let's talk about the oft repeated phrase "a threat to democracy" we believe trump presents.

[Cellblock2429]

Trump has committed treasonous, historic crimes: attempting to overturn a presidential election, disenfranchise millions of Americans, and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power – Trump is in fact an enemy of democracy.

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[struth]

Your opinions are not facts.

Haha what did I say that was opinion?

 

[Cellblock2429]

We spend so much time talking past each other I thought it might be useful to be more exacting in reference to what is meant by that phrase. It is most frequently used in the context of what another trump presidency may bring. Based in part on certain remarks he's made about retribution against his perceived enemies. And on the disavowed document, Project 2025, laying out a blueprint for what another term portends.

The thing is, we don't have to speculate about whether a threat will materialize..........it already has. I should say at this point I'm reluctant to illustrate what I mean because I know what kind of reaction it will elicit. But the point of the post is to be specific, not vague, so here goes.

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself when I say this is what is meant when I contend trump is a threat to democracy. He has already threatened it. There is every reason to believe he will threaten it again. Especially after the recent rulings of his SCOTUS.

Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out. The demonstrable evidence shows trump and his cohorts tried to change the outcome of a presidential election. I can think of few greater threats to democracy than that. They say past is prologue, hence my (our) concern.

/----/ Meanwhile, at the DNC, democRAT leadership bypasses democracy to install their candidate.

KAMALA'S CORONATION
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Harris secures Dem nomination with middle-of-the-night vote after skipping primary process​

Kamala Harris holding rally in Pennsylvania to introduce running mate after securing Democratic nomination

Vice President Kamala Harris will hold a rally Tuesday in Pennsylvania to reveal her running mate. This is her first visit to Pennsylvania as the Democratic presidential nominee.

www.foxnews.com

• Harris was the only candidate to qualify for DNC roll call
• Reporter warns Harris 'hype' might be coming 'back down to earth'

 

[berg80]

/----/ "Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out."
I'll give it all the attention it so richly deserves.
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Apparently, you're still confused. Perhaps beyond hope of not being so.

 

[berg80]

Haha what did I say that was opinion?

The entirety of post #493 is a fictional delusion.

 

[berg80]

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In former President Donald Trump’s rambling speech at the Republican National Convention, he — as did many of his surrogates — repeated lies about the 2020 election. It was another disturbing reminder of the threats to our democracy, to our right to vote and to fair representation.

Compounding those threats is the recent decision by the U.S. Supreme Court’s right-wing extremist majority to give the former president, a convicted felon, immunity while he’s under indictment for attempting to overturn the election and sparking the deadly attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Donald Trump spread misinformation, threatened election officials and encouraged his supporters to do so as well. He also appointed federal judges and justices hostile to voting rights and pushed policies to restrict access to the ballot.

Trump’s Nomination and Immunity Affirm the Need for Pro-Democracy Bills

Opinion | We must also remember the threats to democracy aren’t from Trump alone.

www.democracydocket.com

He is democracy's anti-christ.

 

[struth]

The entirety of post #493 is a fictional delusion.

This post highlights the cult like status of the demafacist party…

We all saw the gop nominee get shot a few weeks ago, by an ActBlue donor, just days after dear leader xiden said put him in the bullseye, but now it’s fiction

Wow just amazing

And harris was never the border czar

 

[Rawley]

Apparently, you're still confused. Perhaps beyond hope of not being so.

After your cult threw 14,000,000 votes in the dumspter fire, any gibbering of "democracy" from you side is beyond laughable.

 

[berg80]

This post highlights the cult like status of the demafacist party…

We all saw the gop nominee get shot a few weeks ago, by an ActBlue donor, just days after dear leader xiden said put him in the bullseye, but now it’s fiction

Wow just amazing

And harris was never the border czar

The hole you're digging for yourself is getting deeper. Stop digging.

 

[berg80]

After your cult threw 14,000,000 votes in the dumspter fire, any gibbering of "democracy" from you side is beyond laughable.

Translation; you're finding it upsetting that Joe stepped aside to try to ensure the Orange Menace is headed to jail, not the WH.

 

[Rawley]

Translation; you're finding it upsetting that Joe stepped aside to try to ensure the Orange Menace is headed to jail, not the WH.

Although it would you been fun to watch Biden's brain matter continue to ooze out his ears on live TV, the kneepadder your cult leaders chose for you will undoubtedly be quite entertaining.

I'm only bummed that someone around her had sense enough not to pick the Jew.

 

[berg80]

Although it would you been fun to watch Biden's brain matter continue to ooze out his ears on live TV, the kneepadder your cult leaders chose for you will undoubtedly be quite entertaining.

I'm only bummed that someone around her had sense enough not to pick the Jew.

Harris was chosen by delegates who were released by Biden. Though it may be a shock to your system, you should think about joining the rest of us in the real world some time.

 

[Rawley]

Harris was chosen by delegates who were released by Biden. Though it may be a shock to your system, you should think about joining the rest of us in the real world some time.

How cute. At some level you might actually believe that line of bullshit your masters have forced you to swallow.

 

[struth]

The hole you're digging for yourself is getting deeper. Stop digging.

up is down, right is left, the world you are living in is Orwellian.

 

[Nostra]

 

[Cellblock2429]

In former President Donald Trump’s rambling speech at the Republican National Convention, he — as did many of his surrogates — repeated lies about the 2020 election. It was another disturbing reminder of the threats to our democracy, to our right to vote and to fair representation.

Compounding those threats is the recent decision by the U.S. Supreme Court’s right-wing extremist majority to give the former president, a convicted felon, immunity while he’s under indictment for attempting to overturn the election and sparking the deadly attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Donald Trump spread misinformation, threatened election officials and encouraged his supporters to do so as well. He also appointed federal judges and justices hostile to voting rights and pushed policies to restrict access to the ballot.

Trump’s Nomination and Immunity Affirm the Need for Pro-Democracy Bills

Opinion | We must also remember the threats to democracy aren’t from Trump alone.

www.democracydocket.com

He is democracy's anti-christ.

/----/ Trump's speech wasn't rambling. You want rambling? Here's rambling for ya. BTW, are you "woker?"
"We have to stay woke. Like everybody needs to be woke. And you can talk about if you're the wokest or woker, but just stay more woke than less woke," - Side Piece Harris

 

[dblack]

The biggest threat to democracy is partisan "loyalty".

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump plans to subvert elections by sneakily having more people vote for him.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump plans to subvert elections by sneakily having more people vote for him.

/—-/ Wait till Pencil Neck Shyft hears about this.

 

[berg80]

Trump's speech wasn't rambling.

You've become so well practiced at denying reality I don't think you realize when you are doing it anymore.