Marxism is all about picking winners and losers when it comes to businesses.

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The Great Depression was caused by greed, where banks over leveraged based on the economic boom from WWI ending.
And that will always happen and always require bail outs.
Without government regulation, business would always over leverage booms until they create a bust, resulting in a very inefficient boom/bust sine wave.

The US only appears to be doing well, but is about to fail totally from massive deficits and national debt.

we were not discussing the depression


It does not require bailouts

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong

they are not communist

They are organizations of voluntary cooperation

Communism is about slavery which by definition is INVOLUNTARY

The whole point of Marxism and communism is voluntary cooperation.
Whenever something is involuntary, it is capitalism.
In fact, capitalism is the ultimate of involuntary servitude, and it was capitalism that created all the slavery in history.

 

[Rigby5]

we were not discussing the depression


It does not require bailouts

The Great Depression is a prime example of how unstable capitalism is, and how you need cooperative regulation to prevent greed motivated disasters.

 

[Rigby5]

WRONG

Marxism is about slavery genocide and tyranny The state never whithers away and never will



Under marxism there is never any private ownership of anything. Collectivist business are an overwhelming failure. you are forced to be a slave for others under marxism

The state is created and under the control of the people with communism, so communism can never be slavery or genocide.
The state always withers away in small social groups like families, tribes, churches, etc, because humans are inherently communal, cooperative, and collective.
Marx felt that larger societies could also successfully have government wither away once evil and greedy aristocrats were prevented.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Grunt labor is not diminished with technology but increased.
Assembly lines, writing code, running machines, flying drones, etc. are vastly increasing grunt work.

Assembly lines, writing code, running machines..etc, is quickly being automated. I used to write code for CNC machines and AI is now doing all of that coding. I had to switch careers from CNC coding to CNC automation consultant. I used to spend thousands yearly about $600 monthly, paying coders to make custom WordPress plugins for me and my subscribers, and now I just pay $200 monthly and I have ChatGPT-Pro do it and it does it even better.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The whole point of Marxism and communism is voluntary cooperation.
Whenever something is involuntary, it is capitalism.
In fact, capitalism is the ultimate of involuntary servitude, and it was capitalism that created all the slavery in history.

WRONG

The whole point of marxism and communiosm is INVOLUNTARY slavery forced onto others

Capitalismis rooted entirely in voluntary associations

Slavery existed before capitalism FOOL

 

[Soupnazi630]

The state is created and under the control of the people with communism, so communism can never be slavery or genocide.
The state always withers away in small social groups like families, tribes, churches, etc, because humans are inherently communal, cooperative, and collective.
Marx felt that larger societies could also successfully have government wither away once evil and greedy aristocrats were prevented.

Wrong

under communism the state is a dictatorship under no ones control, the state never whithers away and only increases its power and control'

Marx was a fucking fool

 

[San Souci]

Grunt labor is not diminished with technology but increased.
Assembly lines, writing code, running machines, flying drones, etc. are vastly increasing grunt work.

That is SKILLED Labor. These dirty Illegals are not fit for any of those jobs.

 

[Foxfyre]

Wrong.
Marxism is about collective means of production, but the state is supposed to have nothing to do with it.
The state is supposed to "whither away" once the evil aristocrats are neutralized.
Under Marxism, everyone can own there own business, but collective businesses should be more efficient and take over. But when you work on a collective business, you are still working for your own benefit. You just don't try to harm others like capitalist competition does now.

When you say, "all but a very few" will be the poorer for it, that is exactly capitalism.
With Marxism, the investment, labor, and benefits are spread equally, and the whole point is nothing is just for "a very few". What you described is exactly capitalism, where "all but a very few" who have a monopoly on capital, will be the poorer for it.

You not only do not understand Marxism, but have it totally backwards.

Marxism has one primary state in which the state has total control over everything. Private property is eliminated, religion and cultural demonstrations are suppressed or outlawed. speech is strictly controlled to eliminat as much individualism as possible. Everyone is of one mind. Then the state can dissolve itself and the people will wor together peacefully and harmoniously for the common good, each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

But we now have a long historical track record that shows us that no nation having achieved totalitaria status has been willing to give up that power.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That is SKILLED Labor. These dirty Illegals are not fit for any of those jobs.

But Elon Musk and his ilk love to import cheap foreign labor. Don't you understand that Elon, doesn't give a flying F$%K, about America or American workers? He cares about his money and power. Profits. That's all these rich folks really care about, but for some reason, you working-class right-wing conservative Republicans don't get it.

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[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

But Elon Musk and his ilk love to import cheap foreign labor. Don't you understand that Elon, doesn't give a flying F$%K, about America or American workers? He cares about his money and power. Profits. That's all these rich folks really care about, but for some reason, you working-class right-wing conservative Republicans don't get it.

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The h1b fight is not over yet ya fucking sheep
It's only been paused
Go blow soros ya fucking tool

 

[TruthNotBS]

Marxism has one primary state in which the state has total control over everything. Private property is eliminated, religion and cultural demonstrations are suppressed or outlawed. speech is strictly controlled to eliminat as much individualism as possible. Everyone is of one mind. Then the state can dissolve itself and the people will wor together peacefully and harmoniously for the common good, each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

But we now have a long historical track record that shows us that no nation having achieved totalitaria status has been willing to give up that power.

You’re trotting out the same worn-out caricature of Marxism, acting like we’re talking about some cartoonish “totalitarian” regime bent on micromanaging every aspect of people’s lives. That’s not what socialism or Marxism has ever stood for. Marx distinguished between personal property (your home, car, toothbrush, things for personal use) and private property (the giant corporate holdings and factories used to exploit workers for profit). In other words, nobody’s coming for your toothbrush; the point is to democratize the big stuff that generates wealth so that it’s shared equitably, rather than hoarded by a few plutocrats who rely on government bailouts the moment the market hiccups.

If capitalist empires like the US, weren't constantly threatening socialist countries with war and economic sanctions, perhaps they could be more democratic and less focused on defense. The US, Britain and France, with 11 other countries invaded Soviet Russia in 1918, right after WW1. They fought alongside the White Tsarist Army, against the Red Army, and lost. The only time of peace that the USSR had was for a brief period in the 1930s. It was then invaded by 4 million Germans. It suffered 28 million deaths, and much of its infrastructure was decimated by the war. The capitalist USA didn't have to deal with that level of devastation in WW2. It literally came out of the war unscathed.

You're ignoring a lot pf facts in your critique of socialism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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Socialism has produced a lot more than that. You're quite ignorant if you think that's all socialists have produced.

 

[San Souci]

But Elon Musk and his ilk love to import cheap foreign labor. Don't you understand that Elon, doesn't give a flying F$%K, about America or American workers? He cares about his money and power. Profits. That's all these rich folks really care about, but for some reason, you working-class right-wing conservative Republicans don't get it.

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Actually ,I LIKE Rich folks. And I think Poor are either stupid or Lazy. Rich folks create JOBS. Middle Income DO the Jobs. The "Poor" go on Welfare. Unpersons.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Socialism has produced a lot more than that. You're quite ignorant if you think that's all socialists have produced.

You're right

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[TruthNotBS]

You're right


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That and much more. Good try though.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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Yes, that's correct. Non-Marxist National Socialists, invented modern rocketry and Jet aircraft. Yep. They weren't Marxists, but they were socialists. Yes indeed. Both Marxist and non-Marxist socialists, invented much more than that.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Yes, that's correct. Non-Marxist National Socialists, invented modern rocketry and Jet aircraft. Yep. They weren't Marxists, but they were socialists. Yes indeed. Both Marxist and non-Marxist socialists, invented much more than that.

Look I got one to admit the Nazi were socialist


The Marxist socialist are the good guys though
No really
Trust the science