most expensive and not very good: american health care system

[The Infidel]

And can you believe she bumped a 4 year old thread of hers?

Holy shit!

Missed that part did ya? What part of me saying fact did you miss?

 

[syrenn]

You offered no facts.

I did

Sure i did, what did you miss. Here i will make it bigger for you.

Same TM bullshit whining about the right, different year, different day.

Fact!

Told you so.

 

[Tank]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgB2eeHZEw&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Avatar4321]

Lots changed in 4 years. Now the system is much more expensive and even less good. Thank you so much Obamacare!

 

[syrenn]

Lots changed in 4 years. Now the system is much more expensive and even less good. Thank you so much Obamacare!

ssssshhhh TM doesn't get that part.

 

[Avatar4321]

Lots changed in 4 years. Now the system is much more expensive and even less good. Thank you so much Obamacare!

ssssshhhh TM doesn't get that part.

She will learn eventually... I just hope it's this side of the veil.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Canada rates second worst out of the six overall. Germany scored highest, followed by Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

“The United States is not getting value for the money that is spent on health care,” Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis said in a telephone interview.

The group has consistently found that the United States, the only one of the six nations that does not provide universal health care, scores more poorly than the others on many measures of health care.

Congress, President George W. Bush, many employers and insurers have all agreed in recent months to overhaul the U.S. health care system — an uncoordinated conglomeration of employer-funded care, private health insurance and government programs.

The current system leaves about 45 million people with no insurance at all, according to U.S. government estimates from 2005, and many studies have shown most of these people do not receive preventive services that not only keep them healthier, but reduce long-term costs.

Davis said the fund’s researchers looked at hard data for the report.

“It is pretty indisputable that we spend twice what other countries spend on average,” she said.

Per-capita health spending in the United States in 2004 was $6,102, twice that of Germany, which spent $3,005. Canada spent $3,165, New Zealand $2,083 and Australia $2,876, while Britain spent $2,546 per person.

Key measures
“We focus primarily on measures that are sensitive to medical care making a difference — infant mortality and healthy lives at age 60,” Davis said. “Those are pretty key measures, like how long you live and whether you are going to die before age 75.”

Measures of other aspects of care such as cataract surgery or hip replacements are harder to come by, she said.

They also looked at convenience and again found the United States lacking — with a few exceptions.

“We include measures such as waiting more than four months for elective, non-emergency surgery. The United States doesn’t do as well as Germany but it does a lot better than the other countries on waiting time for surgery,” Davis said.

“We looked at the time it takes to get in to see your own doctor ... (or) once you go to the emergency room do you sit there for more than two hours, and truthfully, we don’t do well on those measures,” Davis said.


According to the report, 61 percent of U.S. patients said it was somewhat or very difficult to get care on nights or weekends, compared with 25 percent to 59 percent in other countries.

“The area where the U.S. health care system performs best is preventive care, an area that has been monitored closely for over a decade by managed care plans,” the report reads.

The United States had the fewest patients — 84 percent — reporting that they have a regular doctor.

And U.S. doctors are the least wired, with the lowest percentage using electronic medical records or receiving electronic updates on recommended treatments.

Canada ranks second worst because it has socialized medicine just like what this country is going to. Just waiting for the long waiting periods and the gov't. approval process, obamacare is the stupidest thing to come out of washington besides cap and trade and all the othe socialist programs under obama.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Most of your healthcare dollar goes to lawyers, via malpractice insurance. But I don't hear liberals like John Edwards saying we should rein that in. For some crazy reason.

Maybe because he is a malpractice ambulance chasing lawyer? Lefty idiots.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I was just thinking the other day - and please feel free to critique my idea - that the problems besetting GM (just as an example) regarding liabilities for employees' health fund benefits might have been reduced if the US had a socialised health care system like ours in Australia. Now don't go nuts on me. An employer here doesn't bear the cost of employees health/dental etc programmes because we have our Medicare system and people can - like me - get extra cover through private health programmes. The cost is shared out and the employer, especially an employer like GM that must have many thousands of employees, isn't burdened with the costs through (I assume) labour/labor contracts.

No, it is paid for buy every hard working citizen thru higher taxes. Obamacare is nothing more than the biggest spread the wealth bill in history. Socialists.

 

[sangha]

Canada rates second worst out of the six overall. Germany scored highest, followed by Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

“The United States is not getting value for the money that is spent on health care,” Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis said in a telephone interview.

The group has consistently found that the United States, the only one of the six nations that does not provide universal health care, scores more poorly than the others on many measures of health care.

Congress, President George W. Bush, many employers and insurers have all agreed in recent months to overhaul the U.S. health care system — an uncoordinated conglomeration of employer-funded care, private health insurance and government programs.

The current system leaves about 45 million people with no insurance at all, according to U.S. government estimates from 2005, and many studies have shown most of these people do not receive preventive services that not only keep them healthier, but reduce long-term costs.

Davis said the fund’s researchers looked at hard data for the report.

“It is pretty indisputable that we spend twice what other countries spend on average,” she said.

Per-capita health spending in the United States in 2004 was $6,102, twice that of Germany, which spent $3,005. Canada spent $3,165, New Zealand $2,083 and Australia $2,876, while Britain spent $2,546 per person.

Key measures
“We focus primarily on measures that are sensitive to medical care making a difference — infant mortality and healthy lives at age 60,” Davis said. “Those are pretty key measures, like how long you live and whether you are going to die before age 75.”

Measures of other aspects of care such as cataract surgery or hip replacements are harder to come by, she said.

They also looked at convenience and again found the United States lacking — with a few exceptions.

“We include measures such as waiting more than four months for elective, non-emergency surgery. The United States doesn’t do as well as Germany but it does a lot better than the other countries on waiting time for surgery,” Davis said.

“We looked at the time it takes to get in to see your own doctor ... (or) once you go to the emergency room do you sit there for more than two hours, and truthfully, we don’t do well on those measures,” Davis said.


According to the report, 61 percent of U.S. patients said it was somewhat or very difficult to get care on nights or weekends, compared with 25 percent to 59 percent in other countries.

“The area where the U.S. health care system performs best is preventive care, an area that has been monitored closely for over a decade by managed care plans,” the report reads.

The United States had the fewest patients — 84 percent — reporting that they have a regular doctor.

And U.S. doctors are the least wired, with the lowest percentage using electronic medical records or receiving electronic updates on recommended treatments.

Canada ranks second worst because it has socialized medicine just like what this country is going to. Just waiting for the long waiting periods and the gov't. approval process, obamacare is the stupidest thing to come out of washington besides cap and trade and all the othe socialist programs under obama.

I guess you missed the part where it says that every nation that beat the US had "socialized medicine"

And cap and trade is a republican idea. It was first proposed by C Boyden Gray, who worked for Reagans' cabinet

 

[AmericanFirst]

Single-payer health care is an American term for a system of paying for health care, in which a single government entity pays for all health care costs, usually from taxes. Private hospitals and doctors' practices may remain private. Single-payer health care is distinct from socialized medicine, in which hospitals are run by the government and medical professionals are employed by the government.

Bullshit. Gov't. run hospitals and healthcare is socialized medicine. Stop spinning it, socialist.

 

[sangha]

Single-payer health care is an American term for a system of paying for health care, in which a single government entity pays for all health care costs, usually from taxes. Private hospitals and doctors' practices may remain private. Single-payer health care is distinct from socialized medicine, in which hospitals are run by the government and medical professionals are employed by the government.

Bullshit. Gov't. run hospitals and healthcare is socialized medicine. Stop spinning it, socialist.

The Fed govt doesn't own all the hospitals you moron

 

[AmericanFirst]

You offered no facts.

I did

Your facts are leftwing idiot lies.

 

[syrenn]

You offered no facts.

I did

Sure i did, what did you miss. Here i will make it bigger for you.

Same TM bullshit whining about the right, different year, different day.

Fact!

You offered no facts.

I did

Your facts are leftwing idiot lies.

TM does not understand that part. Nor does she recognize facts when spelled out for her.

 

[Rozman]

Wow another why the left hates America thread.Let them count the ways.

 

[sangha]

Wow another why the left hates America thread.Let them count the ways.

Don't you just hate the way the left is always complaining about

1) Big Gubmint
2) High taxes
3) Govt beuareaucrats
4) changing the constitution
5) abortion laws
6) schools
7) judges
8) affirmative action
9) einvironmental regs
10) business regs
11) immigration policy

They must really hate America

 

[Anachronism]

What people in the United States need to understand is that there is NO "Right" to health care. There never has been and hopefully there never will be. Health care is a PRIVILEGE, not a Right. It is reserved for those who have the ability to PAY for the PRIVILEGE, whether it be through employer sponsored health insurance, privately paid for insurance, or the almighty Dollar in your pocket. If you don't have any of those things, you should not get served. Period. Full Stop. End of Communication.

Now if someone else wants to VOLUNTEER to spend their money on your medical care, so be it. Just don't tell ME that I will be FORCED to do so because honestly I couldn't care any less whether any one of you lives or dies.

 

[sangha]

What people in the United States need to understand is that there is NO "Right" to health care. There never has been and hopefully there never will be. Health care is a PRIVILEGE, not a Right. It is reserved for those who have the ability to PAY for the PRIVILEGE, whether it be through employer sponsored health insurance, privately paid for insurance, or the almighty Dollar in your pocket. If you don't have any of those things, you should not get served. Period. Full Stop. End of Communication.

Now if someone else wants to VOLUNTEER to spend their money on your medical care, so be it. Just don't tell ME that I will be FORCED to do so because honestly I couldn't care any less whether any one of you lives or dies.

The rights health care plan is "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"

 

[Anachronism]

The rights health care plan is "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"

Pretty much.... AS IT SHOULD BE!!!!

Your health and physical wellbeing is YOUR problem, not mine, not the Government's. It's really that simple. Just like Education.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Right.

That's why people from those countries keep coming here (at least the ones who can afford to come here) for most important operations instead of getting them in their own countries.

(Yawn)

Same unsupported bunk.....

I was going to sy tht but you beat me to it.