NASA: ‘Planetary warming does not care about the election’

[ABikerSailor]

NASA: ‘Planetary warming does not care about the election’
A very warm October ensures 2016 will be the hottest year by far.

NASA Land and Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) for October.
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No, the climate doesn't give a flying fucking damn about human idiocy!

It also doesn't care if you waste money on windmills.

You're right.............the planet doesn't care either way what we do.

However.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

You're worried that we won't have enough oxygen?
You have an estimate on when oxygen will drop to a dangerous level?

Not so much worried that oxygen levels wil go down as much as I'm worried that the levels of other gases will go up. Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

And..............if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

Not so much worried that oxygen levels will go down

So why mention oxygen?

Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

In Alaska, what's the PPM? What level would be dangerous for us to breath?

..........if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

What change would cause what problems? Any specifics?

I mentioned oxygen, because it only comprises 21 percent of the atmosphere, but it is the main gas that we breathe. If you change the composition of the atmosphere by introducing more gases other than oxygen, eventually it will become impossible to breathe for oxygen based life forms (which we are).

As far as the PPM in Alaska? Dunno, they didn't mention the exact amount that was being released, they simply showed the effect by lighting the methane that was coming out of the ground.

Drop the oxygen level in what you breathe by just a few percentage points, and see how well YOU function. Lowered oxygen levels has a bad effect on things like thinking and reflexes.

 

[peach174]

This goes hand in hand with the article by Noam Chomsky this week where he classifies the Republican Party as the most dangerous institution in history. Joseph Goebbels would be in awe at the Republicans ability to lie so convincingly to a small cohort of the American public and convince them the up is down and bad is good. Conservatives en masse have been reduced to Pavlovian robots that parrot ANYTHING they are told no matter how ridiculous.

I wouldn't say it's all the Republicans, but Congress should be convening and discussing how it's possible that Trump is putting total madmen in his cabinet and what should be done about it. They have a bunch of sticks of dynamite with the fuse lit and are doing nothing.

What Drama.
Having an opposite ideology in power does not make madmen.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This goes hand in hand with the article by Noam Chomsky this week where he classifies the Republican Party as the most dangerous institution in history. Joseph Goebbels would be in awe at the Republicans ability to lie so convincingly to a small cohort of the American public and convince them the up is down and bad is good. Conservatives en masse have been reduced to Pavlovian robots that parrot ANYTHING they are told no matter how ridiculous.

I wouldn't say it's all the Republicans, but Congress should be convening and discussing how it's possible that Trump is putting total madmen in his cabinet and what should be done about it. They have a bunch of sticks of dynamite with the fuse lit and are doing nothing.

What Drama.
Having an opposite ideology in power does not make madmen.

When someone is a expert in their field like the man in my op above. Well, ideology is sometimes kind of foolish and baseless.

Pretty much ignoring reality.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Planetary warning is about economics, not warming

 

[peach174]

This goes hand in hand with the article by Noam Chomsky this week where he classifies the Republican Party as the most dangerous institution in history. Joseph Goebbels would be in awe at the Republicans ability to lie so convincingly to a small cohort of the American public and convince them the up is down and bad is good. Conservatives en masse have been reduced to Pavlovian robots that parrot ANYTHING they are told no matter how ridiculous.

I wouldn't say it's all the Republicans, but Congress should be convening and discussing how it's possible that Trump is putting total madmen in his cabinet and what should be done about it. They have a bunch of sticks of dynamite with the fuse lit and are doing nothing.

What Drama.
Having an opposite ideology in power does not make madmen.

When someone is a expert in their field like the man in my op above. Well, ideology is sometimes kind of foolish and baseless.

Pretty much ignoring reality.

Thats the same thing Marxists said.
Ideology is illrevalant.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

NASA: ‘Planetary warming does not care about the election’
A very warm October ensures 2016 will be the hottest year by far.

NASA Land and Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) for October.

Last month was the second-hottest October on record, NASA reported Tuesday. Combined with a record-smashing January through September — and a very warm November — this new data guarantee that 2016 will demolish the previous record for hottest year, set way back in 2015.

Of course, 2015 itself crushed the previous record for hottest year that was set in 2014 — a three-year run never seen in the 136 years of temperature records.

Dr. Gavin Schmidt, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, wants everyone to know that our current man-made global warming is indifferent to politics:

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Gavin Schmidt @ClimateOfGavin

No surprise here, planetary warming does not care about the election. Now including October data.

Climatologists actually predicted this latest “jump” in global temperatures.

There is “a vast and growing body of research,” Climate Central explained in February 2015, indicating that “humanity is about to experience a historically unprecedented spike in temperatures.” One 2015 study concluded that we could even see Arctic warming rise an alarming 1°F (0.56°C) per decade by the next decade.

Speaking of the Arctic, look again at the top map from NASA. Large parts of the Arctic super-heated in October, as much 15.6 6°F (8.7°C) above the 1951–1980 mean temperature. No surprise, then, that last month saw the lowest October ice extent on record and that “as of November 1, sea ice volume is lowest on record.”

No, the climate doesn't give a flying fucking damn about human idiocy!

Eco-Eunuchs

Climatologists are minor-league scientists, C students jealous of A students. Dumb data grabbers instead of creative geniuses. Their mental inadequacy makes them unable to connect the dots; they can only collect the dots

Any real top scientist would know that data is plural. So the no-talent treehugger should have written "These new data guarantee."

 

[ErikViking]

NASA is 100% correct. In fact, the environment cares less about us than we care about the environment. No problem, until we suddenly ain't supported by the environment any more. Then we die.

If we minimise our impact nature will most likely take a course we can endure for some (long) time. If we insist on adding to the equation the situation grows more unpredictable. No one knows what is going to happen - nature will be fine (with or without us).

The thing is, we know how to do it. So it takes some effort, like traveling in a fucked up gay car instead of a cock-extending SUV. Or eat some shitty vegetables as opposed to a t-bone. (This shouldn't be a problem since people only seems to care for processed food anyway). Perhaps spare, re-use and recycle stuff instead of manufacturing from scratch.

On a larger scale it's the same principle, keep things simple and close. Use centralised thinking when effective, stay close and effective when possible. We know how. This is generals at war - distribute and maintain, strike and defend. Make less count more. Same skills.

If I or you do this, it won't matter. We need to make it the only sound way to operate. In long and short term.

Is it a guarantee? No, there are no guarantees. What is it worth then? The chance of your grandchildren never have to tell their kids that we actually had a chance, a long time ago.

 

[peach174]

Cheap EnergyTechnology will be invented that will get us off it in the not too distant furture.
In the meantime we are all Ok. We all arent going to burn up.
We are getting there real fast.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How's that Muslim outreach going?

Do you realize that this is a drumed up political ideology in order to get rid of the gas and coal industry which they hate ? It stared in the 70's saying we were going into an Ice age.
That didn't fly so they went with Global warming.

Now, since this has been refuted many times right here, one can only assume that you are being willfully ignorant. And if it is a drummed up political ideology, why does every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world state that AGW is real? From all cultures and political systems. Isn't your little tin hat getting a bit tight?

Me, Myself, and Ivory

Academics are escapist misfits who all their lives have been afraid of stepping outside the Ivory Tower into the cold and cruel real world. This psychological disorder leads them to desperately create a fantasy about being manly superheroes saving the human race from imaginary Trumpzillas. Also, they might get invited to Hollywood to be the "scientific" advisors on Warmalarmie disaster movies. There's money there and also the fantasy of hot young actresses admiring these hollow-chested heroes for their brains.

As for appealing to such self-interested authorities, that's like appealing to all the Christian theology professors to prove that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[IsaacNewton]

This goes hand in hand with the article by Noam Chomsky this week where he classifies the Republican Party as the most dangerous institution in history. Joseph Goebbels would be in awe at the Republicans ability to lie so convincingly to a small cohort of the American public and convince them the up is down and bad is good. Conservatives en masse have been reduced to Pavlovian robots that parrot ANYTHING they are told no matter how ridiculous.

I wouldn't say it's all the Republicans, but Congress should be convening and discussing how it's possible that Trump is putting total madmen in his cabinet and what should be done about it. They have a bunch of sticks of dynamite with the fuse lit and are doing nothing.

What Drama.
Having an opposite ideology in power does not make madmen.

When someone is a expert in their field like the man in my op above. Well, ideology is sometimes kind of foolish and baseless.

Pretty much ignoring reality.

And you've hit upon the real problem. Conservative media has these people convinced that their opinion is just as valid as a PH.D on any subject.

It is abject ignorance raised to the level of galactic absurdity. Gomer Pyle now believes that his opinion on physics is equal to Stephen Hawking because "we're all allowed our opinion".

 

[ErikViking]

Cheap EnergyTechnology will be invented that will get us off it in the not too distant furture.
In the meantime we are all Ok. We all arent going to burn up.
We are getting there real fast.

I think you're right. But we need to adjust also, we can chill and still reduce our impact. (It's already happening)

Any obsessive behaviour, crazy over-the-top unilateral bravado won't have any effect. Carefully, minute steps is the way to go. Also, put those intentions into trade.
"No, we are not buying cheap Chinese goods just yet - produce them with care" sort of thiking. I.e. global treaties.

 

[peach174]

Cheap EnergyTechnology will be invented that will get us off it in the not too distant furture.
In the meantime we are all Ok. We all arent going to burn up.
We are getting there real fast.

I think you're right. But we need to adjust also, we can chill and still reduce our impact. (It's already happening)

Any obsessive behaviour, crazy over-the-top unilateral bravado won't have any effect. Carefully, minute steps is the way to go. Also, put those intentions into trade.
"No, we are not buying cheap Chinese goods just yet - produce them with care" sort of thiking. I.e. global treaties.

Yes it is already happening. People just dont seem to think that mankind has always invented things that make our future better.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It also doesn't care if you waste money on windmills.

You're right.............the planet doesn't care either way what we do.

However.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

You're worried that we won't have enough oxygen?
You have an estimate on when oxygen will drop to a dangerous level?

Not so much worried that oxygen levels wil go down as much as I'm worried that the levels of other gases will go up. Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

And..............if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

Not so much worried that oxygen levels will go down

So why mention oxygen?

Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

In Alaska, what's the PPM? What level would be dangerous for us to breath?

..........if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

What change would cause what problems? Any specifics?

I mentioned oxygen, because it only comprises 21 percent of the atmosphere, but it is the main gas that we breathe. If you change the composition of the atmosphere by introducing more gases other than oxygen, eventually it will become impossible to breathe for oxygen based life forms (which we are).

As far as the PPM in Alaska? Dunno, they didn't mention the exact amount that was being released, they simply showed the effect by lighting the methane that was coming out of the ground.

Drop the oxygen level in what you breathe by just a few percentage points, and see how well YOU function. Lowered oxygen levels has a bad effect on things like thinking and reflexes.

Lowered oxygen levels has a bad effect on things like thinking and reflexes.

Does that explain the reduced intelligence of liberals lately?
Lower O2 levels where they live?

 

[Old Rocks]

NASA: ‘Planetary warming does not care about the election’
A very warm October ensures 2016 will be the hottest year by far.

NASA Land and Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) for October.

Last month was the second-hottest October on record, NASA reported Tuesday. Combined with a record-smashing January through September — and a very warm November — this new data guarantee that 2016 will demolish the previous record for hottest year, set way back in 2015.

Of course, 2015 itself crushed the previous record for hottest year that was set in 2014 — a three-year run never seen in the 136 years of temperature records.

Dr. Gavin Schmidt, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, wants everyone to know that our current man-made global warming is indifferent to politics:

View image on Twitter

Follow
Gavin Schmidt @ClimateOfGavin

No surprise here, planetary warming does not care about the election. Now including October data.

Climatologists actually predicted this latest “jump” in global temperatures.

There is “a vast and growing body of research,” Climate Central explained in February 2015, indicating that “humanity is about to experience a historically unprecedented spike in temperatures.” One 2015 study concluded that we could even see Arctic warming rise an alarming 1°F (0.56°C) per decade by the next decade.

Speaking of the Arctic, look again at the top map from NASA. Large parts of the Arctic super-heated in October, as much 15.6 6°F (8.7°C) above the 1951–1980 mean temperature. No surprise, then, that last month saw the lowest October ice extent on record and that “as of November 1, sea ice volume is lowest on record.”

No, the climate doesn't give a flying fucking damn about human idiocy!

Eco-Eunuchs

Climatologists are minor-league scientists, C students jealous of A students. Dumb data grabbers instead of creative geniuses. Their mental inadequacy makes them unable to connect the dots; they can only collect the dots

Any real top scientist would know that data is plural. So the no-talent treehugger should have written "These new data guarantee."

LOL OK, little lying cocksuck, you said it, you back it up. What you are saying is that almost all the scientists in the world are frauds. You see, all the Scientific Society, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

How about you posting some articles from peer reviewed scientific journals that back your nonsense? You do know what a peer reviewed journal is?

 

[Old Rocks]

NASA is 100% correct. In fact, the environment cares less about us than we care about the environment. No problem, until we suddenly ain't supported by the environment any more. Then we die.

If we minimise our impact nature will most likely take a course we can endure for some (long) time. If we insist on adding to the equation the situation grows more unpredictable. No one knows what is going to happen - nature will be fine (with or without us).

The thing is, we know how to do it. So it takes some effort, like traveling in a fucked up gay car instead of a cock-extending SUV. Or eat some shitty vegetables as opposed to a t-bone. (This shouldn't be a problem since people only seems to care for processed food anyway). Perhaps spare, re-use and recycle stuff instead of manufacturing from scratch.

On a larger scale it's the same principle, keep things simple and close. Use centralised thinking when effective, stay close and effective when possible. We know how. This is generals at war - distribute and maintain, strike and defend. Make less count more. Same skills.

If I or you do this, it won't matter. We need to make it the only sound way to operate. In long and short term.

Is it a guarantee? No, there are no guarantees. What is it worth then? The chance of your grandchildren never have to tell their kids that we actually had a chance, a long time ago.

Well said. And here is the problem. We have for a long time heard about tipping points. Yet the description of them is all too often misleading. So let us create an analogy.

You are exploring a new, very large river. It has many curves, and quite a fast current. You hear a distant roar, but you have a goal of so many miles to make today, and you are behind. The roar gets louder, and then you round a corner, and there is a high water fall right in front of you. As you go over, you have hit a tipping point?

No, the tipping point was the last time that you had time to make it to the shore. After that, the tipping point is past, and you are going over the falls. The tipping point was way up river, and not marked in any way. We are over 400 ppm on CO2, and over 1800 ppb on CH4, have we passed the tipping point? I don't know, and neither do the scientists. But we do know that the last time that the GHGs were this high in the atmosphere, the sea level was tens of meters higher. And we know that we are now seeing unprecedented melt in the sea ice at both poles, and in the alpine glaciers. And we also know from the geological record that the progress of rise and fall of the sea level in response to climate is not a linear process. The adrupt climate change we are creating will bring some inevitable surprises.

 

[skookerasbil]

Not for nothing but...........

Talking about "tipping points" is an exercise in group navel contemplation..........it only matters to the hard core religion guys and nobody else. Which is everything. Heres an analogy...........

Your team is winning in the hockey game by a score of 7-1 with 5 minutes to go in the game.......98% of the people can turn the thing off because they say to themselves, Well.....this game is over!"

But not the k00ks..........it'll be two minutes to go and they will be staring at the boob waiting for the big comeback

The k00ks have been making promises on sea level, snow, temperatures, hurricanes for decades and the public has watched the promises crash and burn to the point of being hysterically laughable. Why do you think global warming is LAST on the list of voter concerns? duh

People will tune in if a sudden Day After Tomorrow event starts...............NOT A MOMENT SOONER ASSHOLES!!!



Somehow......and I don't know how........the members of the religion missed the memo about how perceptions matter. IN fact there is a saying, "Reality is 95% perception"

How do you find a way to get to 30.....40.......60 and not get the memo somewhere along the way?


Hello........."peer" this or "peer" that don't matter for dick if the science is at 180* odds with what people are seeing and feeling. PROFOUND level of duh here s0ns.

 

[skookerasbil]

ps......seeing past the clutter is easy for me I guess..........working for 30 years with folks who have significant OCD issues gets you realizing that some really cant see past the billboard at all without the proper fix for the setting screws. Its like this..........for members of the religion, its like looking down a long tube and seeing "SCIENCE" at the end of it. That's their world.........very little outside of that mono-view. That's how OCD works..............a dreadful disorder and most people not developmentally disabled have no idea they have it, however, most cases can be corrected somewhat with pharmaceuticals.

 

[jc456]

It also doesn't care if you waste money on windmills.

You're right.............the planet doesn't care either way what we do.

However.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

.............WE should care, because if we can't breathe, we can't live, unless we evolve another way of getting oxygen.

You're worried that we won't have enough oxygen?
You have an estimate on when oxygen will drop to a dangerous level?

Not so much worried that oxygen levels wil go down as much as I'm worried that the levels of other gases will go up. Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

And..............if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

Not so much worried that oxygen levels will go down

So why mention oxygen?

Up in Alaska, where the permafrost is melting, it's releasing lots of methane gas into the atmosphere.

In Alaska, what's the PPM? What level would be dangerous for us to breath?

..........if the mix of gases that we currently breathe is changed by much, it could cause lots of problems.

What change would cause what problems? Any specifics?

I mentioned oxygen, because it only comprises 21 percent of the atmosphere, but it is the main gas that we breathe. If you change the composition of the atmosphere by introducing more gases other than oxygen, eventually it will become impossible to breathe for oxygen based life forms (which we are).

As far as the PPM in Alaska? Dunno, they didn't mention the exact amount that was being released, they simply showed the effect by lighting the methane that was coming out of the ground.

Drop the oxygen level in what you breathe by just a few percentage points, and see how well YOU function. Lowered oxygen levels has a bad effect on things like thinking and reflexes.

so let's say the permafrost is indeed melting, wouldn't there be plants that would grow there? Do you know what plants give off? D'OH!!!!!

 

[xyz]

What Drama.
Having an opposite ideology in power does not make madmen.

I guess Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler and Stalin were not all mad.

Stalin and Hitler got along well after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

 

[jc456]

Cheap EnergyTechnology will be invented that will get us off it in the not too distant furture.
In the meantime we are all Ok. We all arent going to burn up.
We are getting there real fast.

I think you're right. But we need to adjust also, we can chill and still reduce our impact. (It's already happening)

Any obsessive behaviour, crazy over-the-top unilateral bravado won't have any effect. Carefully, minute steps is the way to go. Also, put those intentions into trade.
"No, we are not buying cheap Chinese goods just yet - produce them with care" sort of thiking. I.e. global treaties.

so you know the safe levels of CO2?