Oxford Supt Letter Re: Counselor's Decision

[JoeB131]

Why?

Because they dared to own guns?

Thats bs

Because they bought him a gun for Christmas, gave it to him early and then told him, "Next time don't get caught" when looking up buying ammo at school.

 

[struth]

They didn't have to call the police. Just send the little bastard home and tell his parents he doesn't get to come back until they've gotten him counselling.

They had School Resource officers at Columbine, Stoneman, VA Tech and a lot of other places that have had school shootings. The idea that the mere presense of a police department's low-performers being assigned to a school is going to actually deter a school shooter is silly.

hahaha then why did you make your comment about calling the police??

 

[Mac-7]

Because they bought him a gun for Christmas, gave it to him early and then told him, "Next time don't get caught" when looking up buying ammo at school.

I got a gun for Christmas when I was his age

 

[JoeB131]

I got a gun for Christmas when I was his age

And then you grew up to be a psycho... Who's a little psycho? You are... you are...

hahaha then why did you make your comment about calling the police??

Because they didn't. They didn't bring the Resource Officer down if they had one.. they didn't call the cops. They sent the little scamp back to his classroom because he was a white kid with a pussy name like Ethan.

If he was a black kid named Jamal, they'd have callled the cops.
If he was a Muslim kid named Abdul, they'd have shipped his ass to Gitmo.

 

[Mac-7]

And then you grew up to be a psycho... Who's a little psycho? You are... you are...

I bet Joe will also claim he does not want to take all the guns and if conservatives will just make a few tiny, insignificant little comprises with our sworn enemies on the left…

 

[Mac-7]

Because they didn't. They didn't bring the Resource Officer down if they had one.. they didn't call the cops. They sent the little scamp back to his classroom because he was a white kid with a pussy name like Ethan.

If he was a black kid named Jamal, they'd have callled the cops.
If he was a Muslim kid named Abdul, they'd have shipped his ass to Gitmo.

Here we have what is known in the trade as a TwoFer

A lib gun grabber AND an anti white bigot

 

[JoeB131]

I bet Joe will also claim he does not want to take all the guns and if conservatives will just make a few tiny, insignificant little comprises with our sworn enemies on the left…

Oh, if it were up to me, private gun ownership would be completely outlawed. The ATF would go house to house and treat you like black people. But I'm enough of a pragmatist to realize that probably isn't feasible.

But holy shit, a few sensible things like, "don't let a kid with severe emotional problems have a gun" seem reasonable.

Here we have what is known in the trade as a TwoFer

A lib gun grabber AND an anti white bigot

Uh, dude, I'm as pasty white as they get.
But I'm practical enough to realize that the police treat people of color differently than they treat white people.



Since most mass shooters turn out to be white, maybe they should treat white people more harshly.

 

[struth]

And then you grew up to be a psycho... Who's a little psycho? You are... you are...



Because they didn't. They didn't bring the Resource Officer down if they had one.. they didn't call the cops. They sent the little scamp back to his classroom because he was a white kid with a pussy name like Ethan.

If he was a black kid named Jamal, they'd have callled the cops.
If he was a Muslim kid named Abdul, they'd have shipped his ass to Gitmo.

They didn't have a resource officer because Detriot defunded the police...due to your leftist riots

 

[Mac-7]

Oh, if it were up to me, private gun ownership would be completely outlawed. The ATF would go house to house and treat you like black people. But I'm enough of a pragmatist to realize that probably isn't feasible.

But holy shit, a few sensible things like, "don't let a kid with severe emotional problems have a gun" seem reasonable.

Thanks for confirming my post

 

[Mac-7]

Uh, dude, I'm as pasty white as they get.
But I'm practical enough to realize that the police treat people of color differently than they treat white people.

You mean Black Lies Matter

99.99% of police treatment has nothing to do with race

Anyone black or otherwise suffering from the black brain disease is risking their life

 

[JoeB131]

They didn't have a resource officer because Detriot defunded the police...due to your leftist riots

Do you have a link to that? Detroit is broke, so they probably didn't have the money to send their underperformers to be resource officers.

Should also point out this shooting didn't happen in Detroit, it happened in the exburb of Oxford Township.

Oxford Township, Michigan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You mean Black Lies Matter

99.99% of police treatment has nothing to do with race

Anyone black or otherwise suffering from the black brain disease is risking their life

Oh, come on, we all know the police treat people of color differently than white people... stop living in your own delusional world.

We've been a racist country since Tommy Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" and then went home and raped his slave girl.

 

[surada]

As a public school teacher, I'm sick about this. People think these decisions are easy, black and white. They are not. I know the counselor(s) who made the decision to return Ethan Crumbley to class are probably sick with remorse. On top of their own regret, many in the community are calling for lawsuits and recriminations.

But the facts are:

1. Ethan Crumbley lied and said the pictures were of video games. Many, many, MANY kids are obsessed with video games and I have seen many kids draw pictures of video games over my career.

2. The counselors talked to Ethan and he seemed calm. He wanted to go back to class and was concerned about his homework. He did not display what they thought were homicidal or suicidal tendencies.

3. They spoke to the parents--who KNEW he has access to a gun and said nothing--and the parents REFUSED to take him home. Counselors made clear: he needs outside counseling within 48 hours or we call CPS

4. After the parents left, their choices were:

--Send Ethan back to class, which he was asking for (remember they had no way of knowing he had a gun)
--Get the cops involved to force the parents to pick him up somehow or
--Keep him in the office until the end of the day

Undoubtedly, that last step was the mistake. But I would call it a mistake given the circumstances, not "criminal negligence" or anything like willful harm. And I would add if people want repercussions--those repercussions will take us back to Zero Tolerance. That means if your kid, at any age, draws a picture of a weapon of any kind, or chews this pop tart in the shape of a gun (remember that?) it's an automatic suspension. Then we know we catch every single Ethan Crumbley, true. But, we catch a lot of kids who are really drawing pictures of video games, too.

Pick one.

Here's the excerpt from the letter:

On Nov. 29, the suspect was discovered by a teacher to be viewing images of bullets on his cell phone during class. The suspect met with a counselor and another staff member and indicated he and his mother recently went to the shooting range and that shooting sports are a family hobby. Consistent with our school policies and procedures, the school attempted to make contact with the student’s mother to discuss the incident but did not initially hear back. The next day, his parents confirmed his account.

On the morning of Nov. 30, a teacher observed concerning drawings and written statements that have been detailed in media reports, which the teacher reported to school counselors and the Dean of students. The student was immediately removed from the classroom and brought to the guidance counselor’s office where he claimed the drawing was part of a video game he was designing and informed counselors that he planned to pursue video game design as a career. The student’s parents were also called in. Because it was difficult to reach the parents, the student remained in the office for an hour and a half while counselors continued to observe, analyze and speak with the student. While waiting for his parents to arrive, the student verbalized his concern he would be missing homework assignments and requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office. At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm. In addition, despite media reports, whether or not the gun was in his backpack has not been confirmed by law enforcement to our knowledge nor by our investigation at this time. While both of his parents were present, counselors asked specific probing questions regarding the potential for self-harm or harm to others. His answers, which were affirmed by his parents during the interview, led counselors to again conclude he did not intend on committing either self-harm or harm to others. The student’s parents never advised the school district that he had direct access to a firearm or that they had recently purchased a firearm for him. Counseling was recommended for him, and his parents were notified that they had 48 hours to seek counseling for their child or the school would contact Child Protective Services.

When the parents were asked to take their son home for the day, they flatly refused and left without their son, apparently to return to work. Given the fact that the child had no prior disciplinary infractions, the decision was made he would be returned to the classroom rather than sent home to an empty house. These incidents remained at the guidance counselor level and were never elevated to the principal or assistant principal’s office. While we understand this decision has caused anger, confusion and prompted understandable questioning ,the counselors made a judgment based on their professional training and clinical experience and did not have all the facts we now know. Our counselors are deeply committed longstanding school members who have dedicated their lives to supporting students and addressing student mental health and behavioral issues

Oxford Community Schools superintendent details school's version of events

Oxford Community Schools superintendent Tim Throne released a letter to the community on Saturday detailing the school's version of events leading up to the deadly shooting at Oxford High School last Tuesday that left four students dead and seven other injured.

www.wxyz.com

Sad. Hindsight is always perfect. I feel bad for the teachers as well.

 

[struth]

Do you have a link to that? Detroit is broke, so they probably didn't have the money to send their underperformers to be resource officers.

Should also point out this shooting didn't happen in Detroit, it happened in the exburb of Oxford Township.

Oxford Township, Michigan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, come on, we all know the police treat people of color differently than white people... stop living in your own delusional world.

We've been a racist country since Tommy Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" and then went home and raped his slave girl.

oh yeah....the Dems bankrupt Detriot long before they pushed for defunding the police..they really screwed the place up

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I know the counselor(s) who made the decision to return Ethan Crumbley to class are probably sick with remorse. On top of their own regret, many in the community are calling for lawsuits and recriminations

As there should be.

 

[Mac-7]

Oh, come on, we all know the police treat people of color differently than white people...

No we dont know that because its a lie

If you or anyone resists arrest they are liable to be shot

Thats just common sense

 

[JoeB131]

oh yeah....the Dems bankrupt Detriot long before they pushed for defunding the police..they really screwed the place up

Actually, what bankrupted Detroit was the One Percenters moving all the jobs overseas... Amazing how you blame poor people for what rich people did to you.

No we dont know that because its a lie

If you or anyone resists arrest they are liable to be shot

Thats just common sense

Really? Let's review, shall we?

Here's a guy who killed both of his parents, resisted arrest, ran around naked, and THEN was peacefully arrested.



Yup. He was white. Really, really white. Not an inch of not white on him.

 

[Mac-7]

Actually, what bankrupted Detroit was the One Percenters moving all the jobs overseas... Amazing how you blame poor people for what rich people did to you.



Really? Let's review, shall we?

Here's a guy who killed both of his parents, resisted arrest, ran around naked, and THEN was peacefully arrested.



Yup. He was white. Really, really white. Not an inch of not white on him.

The cops interact with the public millions of times a year

If you have a video of the cops shooting a totally naked unarmed black guy in broad daylight lets see it

 

[August West]

Go troll somewhere else, clown.

Speaking the truth is not trolling. Do you have anything of substance?

 

[August West]

oh yeah....the Dems bankrupt Detriot long before they pushed for defunding the police..they really screwed the place up

The Dems replaced autoworkers with robots. Who knew?

 

[struth]

The Dems replaced autoworkers with robots. Who knew?

everyone but the dembots