Pirates vs Ninjas

[Jon]

depends on the battle field imo...in the middle of a forest ninjas.... a naval battle pirates fuck them up

Dude no way. Ninjas are excellent swimmers. They would swim so far under the water and come up on the other side of the pirate boat and then flip out of the water onto the poop deck and slice off all the pirates' faces but leave their funny hats in place. Because ninjas CAN.

 

[Andrew2382]

Dude no way. Ninjas are excellent swimmers. They would swim so far under the water and come up on the other side of the pirate boat and then flip out of the water onto the poop deck and slice off all the pirates' faces but leave their funny hats in place. Because ninjas CAN.

Even though I agree with the ninjas winning I like to play devil's advocate

Pirates don't fight fair...Ninja's fight by their code and honor. So a ninja may try to give someone a clean death while a pirate will kick him in th enuts and shoot him out of a cannon.

Also, Pirates have guns!

Ninjas have swords...sure the Ninja stars are cool as shit, but if you and me are squaring off and you got a ninja star and I got a gun, I am feeling pretty comfortable.

Plus, Pirates are usually at sea, how will Ninjas get to them, if the lookout on the pirate ship sees their little row oat they are going to have 50 cannons flying at them.

Pirates always win.

Main reason being they have guns, and drink in mass quantities.

This drunkenness combined with their masculinity allows them to beat any wimpy ninja(They are all wimpy and will immediately break down in tears after getting a scratch, or being called a pansy by the pirate) who opposes them.

Pirate cutlasses are quicker than Japanese swords for the most part.

Pirates also have combat experience from years of fighting the Royal Navy, Ninja just kill people in their sleep who can't fight back.



Go Pirates!

 

[Andrew2382]

Now that I am thinking about it, it all depends on the status of the Ninja and the Pirate to determine who wins.
but it's pretty easy to figure out, depending on the status of your pirate and ninja.

if the pirate has a gun, he will prevail always. but if he doesn't, and the ninja has throwing stars, then the ninja will win. but if neither the pirate OR ninja have guns or throwing stars then they are only left with swords. at this point, we can still conclude that the ninja will win because chances are his sword will be more durable, and he'll be faster and less drunk than the pirate. BUT, say the ninja was caught off guard and his sword was across the room and he was only left with numchucks, then it's hard to say...it would depend on the ninja's skills. Because the pirate COULD just chop the numchucks out of the ninja's hands, but if the ninja timed it right he could wrap the chain of the numchucks around the sword blade, knock it out of the pirate's hands, then use it to kill the pirate.

 

[Mr. President]

Ninja's would destroy pirates. They are faster, smarter, stronger and train to kill. They would sneak on the ship and kill every pirate and throw them overboard then sail the ship to a port. The reason people think that ghost ships exist is because a ninja killed all the pirates and sailed the ship towards land; and everyone knows you can't see Ninjas

 

[Shooter1/1]

ed, Katz, you both make a number of great points, however, I need to point out a few things to the both of you.

Katz, not all ninjas shave the dome, many have ponytails too.

ed, frilly shirts are never cool. it's not about fashion, it's just not cool, even Kramer could not pull it off.

both Ninja and Pirate are known for flipping out and killing people. that is a fact. and it makes both of them awsome!

ninjas do not always kill them self. somethimes when cornered they drop a ninja smoke bomb and peace out so they can kill another day.

Pirates do not always walk the plank, sometimes they end up in Mr. Jones' locker courtasy of the East India Trading Company.

Sea Chanties are cool, they are mostly about boozing and killing

a ninja would never stroke another ninjas weapon, unless it was he was pulling it out of another dead ninjas hands to kill someone.

comparing ninjas to Marines is fitting, but that makes Pirates Contractors, which is what most good Marines do when they get sick of working for the man.

I just wish you could both see the light, Ninjas and Pirates both rule, one on the high seas the other in mountain top fortresses.

 

[Caligirl]

Nah, ninjas rule because they are highly trained professionals but pirates rule because they are self-employed capitalists. It is a class struggle, really.

 

[catzmeow]

Actually, pirates are socialists because they are always trying to redistribute someone else's wealth. Ninjas are the libertarians of the assassin world. They work for hire, they have no scruples about thinning the herd, and they want the best damn weapons!

 

[Jon]

Pirates don't fight fair...Ninja's fight by their code and honor. So a ninja may try to give someone a clean death while a pirate will kick him in th enuts and shoot him out of a cannon.

Also, Pirates have guns!

You assume that bullets are faster than ninjas, and you assume WRONG. Ninjas are faster than lightning. They're so fast one could kill your entire family and you wouldn't even notice until the funeral. Do you know why people never see ninjas? Because ninjas are so fast that they are invisible to the human eye.

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How would ninjas get to pirates out on the water? Did you know that the only reason Jesus walked on water was because he was a ninja? That's right. Ninjas are so light on their feet that they can walk on water. And even if they don't want to do that, they can swim for like 12 hours without having to surface because they have trained themselves to use their lung capacity sparingly. So they could swim under the boat and slice it open with their amazingly awesome swords and make the boat sink before the pirates even know what hit them.

Seriously if you think pirates are better you need to get a life right now.

 

[Andrew2382]

Pirates can see in the dark...thats why they wear a patch to train their eyes for night vision. So in the nighttime they take the patch off and it's like they have ultraviolet vision. They woul dsee a ninja coming froma mile away and shoot a cannon from their ship. Pirates would be so intoxicated from their rum that thei ninja stars wouldn't hurt them and they would kill the ninjas pillage their towns and rape their women

arghhh

 

[Jon]

Again, now you're assuming that a cannonball can fly faster than a ninja. WRONG! What part of "faster than lightning" don't you get? These guys are like the Flash except they don't wear homosexual spandex; they wear mad awesome assassin suits equipped with ninja stars and nunchaku. Nothing a pirate has can match up to that.

Besides, the pirates wouldn't need to feel the ninja sword slice their head off for it to kill them. In fact, the ninjas are so quick and precise the pirates wouldn't feel it anyway. They would just be sitting on the shitter and then suddenly die because their head falls off. That's how awesome ninjas are.

 

[Munin]

Nah, ninjas rule because they are highly trained professionals but pirates rule because they are self-employed capitalists. It is a class struggle, really.

Pirates are trained too, they were trained by the Navy and then left without a Job.

I d say pirates win without breaking a sweat, they have canons and guns. The ninjas would be dead before they get in range to attack.

 

[editec]

Actually, pirates are socialists because they are always trying to redistribute someone else's wealth. Ninjas are the libertarians of the assassin world. They work for hire, they have no scruples about thinning the herd, and they want the best damn weapons!

Now this is no shit.

Pirates were the ONLY European workers of their time who voted on their leaders.

Seriously that is no shit. Pirates ran a union shop.

The only time the Captain was in truly in charge was when they were attacking another ship.

Ninjas, unless they were Roan, then they BECAME pirates, were tools of the aristociacy.

Ninjas kowtow to da' man.

Pirate keelhaul da' man.

Easy choice which is cooler.

 

[Shooter1/1]

though ninjas can swim for up to 12hrs underwater (which is sweet!) they are not known for ship boarding tactics. at the same time, I don't see Pirates storming a ninja village. Pirates like softer targets.

on the subject of the economic views of pirate/ninja
ninja are capatalists, they fight for who ever has the bucks to afford real ultimate power. Pirates kill who ever has money, however they only re-distribute it among the other members of the ship based on a loose form of seniority. I like both systems. plus Pirates call it booty, which is cool! I mean who dose not like booty?

 

[Shooter1/1]

Now this is no shit.

Pirates were the ONLY European workers of their time who voted on their leaders.

Seriously that is no shit. Pirates ran a union shop.

The only time the Captain was in truly in charge was when they were attacking another ship.

Ninjas, unless they were Roan, then they BECAME pirates, were tools of the aristociacy.

Ninjas kowtow to da' man.

Pirate keelhaul da' man.

Easy choice which is cooler.

ED,
are we bringing facts into this debate?

yep, Pirates were union pigs,
ninja, could not be RONAN, samuri were the ronan, a warrior without a master.
if a ninja clan did not recognize the current ruler, they worked for who ever had the most coin, that makes them contractors! which is so awsome!

 

[editec]

ED,
are we bringing facts into this debate?

Sure why not? I actually DO think Pirates were neater than ninjas because of the facts.

yep, Pirates were union pigs,

Union members who owned their own shops, of course...which makes them extremely free market capitalists AND free men.

Such an idea is probably alien to most people who think like pandering slaves.

ninja, could not be RONAN, samuri were the ronan, a warrior without a master.

And were not ninja also samuri? If so, then they could be RONAN, no? Now I can get behind Ronan. They'd be stand up guys, much like pirates.

if a ninja clan did not recognize the current ruler, they worked for who ever had the most coin, that makes them contractors! which is so awsome!

I'm not a big fan of the Pinkertons, pigs, prison guards, or thugs for hire generally.

You obviously must be more impressed by that type of tough guy than I am.

I'm not impresed by tools no matter how cool their fighting techniques.

 

[Shooter1/1]

Sure why not? I actually DO think Pirates were neater than ninjas because of the facts.



Union members who owned their own shops, of course...which makes them extremely free market capitalists AND free men.

Such an idea is probably alien to most people who think like pandering slaves.



And were not ninja also samuri? If so, then they could be RONAN, no? Now I can get behind Ronan. They'd be stand up guys, much like pirates.



I'm not a big fan of the Pinkertons, pigs, prison guards, or thugs for hire generally.

You obviously must be more impressed by that type of tough guy than I am.

I'm not impresed by tools no matter how cool their fighting techniques.

ed, sorry I am not as good with the quotes as you are but here goes...

ninja were not big on being slaves either, they stuck to what they were after the Fuedal system collapsed

Ninja and Samuri were not even on the same level, Samuri were brute thugs and died off when the Gov that supported them was wiped out.


depends on your view of the Pinkertons, etc... I look at them as free market security who got the job done when the Gov couldn't I think they got screwed about the same way as the Templars did but I bet you would hate on them too.


Pirates started as thugs for higher, they all got their start as Privateers. the Govs of europe payed them to fight and loot the spanish. when the queen told them to stop, they didn't. most of the major ones were offered pardons to stop at some point or another, then did the most dishonorable thing and just kept at it. I guess it comes down to ethics at that point. at least the ninja stayed true to what they were.

sorry to the rest of you guys, didn't mean to get all serious and what not. Like I said, I am half Pirate, half Ninja so I think both are F@$king sweet!

 

[editec]

ed, sorry I am not as good with the quotes as you are but here goes...

ninja were not big on being slaves either, they stuck to what they were after the Fuedal system collapsed

Okay, a mitigation to their defence. We ALL have to cope with forces completely beyond our control. Most pirates STARTED OUT as privateers who were licensed to be pirates, too.

Ninja and Samuri were not even on the same level, Samuri were brute thugs and died off when the Gov that supported them was wiped out.

I wasn't aware of that. I thought they were Samuri who specialized in black cloak OPS.

depends on your view of the Pinkertons, etc... I look at them as free market security who got the job done when the Gov couldn't I think they got screwed about the same way as the Templars did but I bet you would hate on them too.

Yeah, well one of the reasons I didn't become a Federal Marshall when I had the chance was because I KNEW that I'd be called on to support the government at times when my conscience wouldn't torture me for doing so.

I understand why we need cops, and even Pinkertons (or Halliburton or whatever) , but I don't have a whole lot of respect for people who knowingly put themselves in a position where somebody other than themselves gets to dictate their actions.

Pirates started as thugs for higher, they all got their start as Privateers. the Govs of europe payed them to fight and loot the spanish. when the queen told them to stop, they didn't

True.

. most of the major ones were offered pardons to stop at some point or another, then did the most dishonorable thing and just kept at it.

True also...

I guess it comes down to ethics at that point. at least the ninja stayed true to what they were.

Paid assassins working for Aristos are morally less repubgant to you than FREE MEN who steal from the Aristos?


Why?

The artistos of Europe were nothing more than well dressed thugs with a pedigree.

Hell the Queen of England screwed her own privateers in order to steal what they had stolen fair and square, you know.

She declared ...can't recall his name..was it Morgan(?) a pirate when for sure he was not.

She hanged the poor fellow, too and conficated his money when he came to England to stand trial for his so called piracy. (Interesting side note -- his money was used to form the some of the original capital for the Bank of England)

Why did she do that?

Because his booty made him the richest man in England, and because she could, that's why.

So how can you respect the people who work for thieving scum like that?

At least the pirates don't PRETEND they have the right to be pirates like the Aristos did and STILL do in some rare cases.

sorry to the rest of you guys, didn't mean to get all serious and what not. Like I said, I am half Pirate, half Ninja so I think both are F@$king sweet!

Hey, there's no reason we cannot interject some history into this goofy debate, is there?

 

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