JimofPennsylvan
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President Trump's position is that the United States is going to take control of the Gaza Strip and permanently move out the two million plus Palestinians living there primarily to Egypt but some to Jordan. Any fully accurate description of President Donald Trump's make-up would conclude he has an "alarmingly defective conscience" he cannot reliably identify what is fully good in a situation and he cannot reliably make decisions that confirm to that good and his policy plan on Gaza is just another catastrophic example of this shortcoming! The White House has walked back President Trump's statements that he would send U.S. troops into Gaza to accomplish this but the American people would be foolish to think the matter is closed we are dealing with President Trump and there is an opportunity on this issue for him to increase his fame by ridding the world of the problem of the Hamas terrorist threat from Gaza and the only way that President Trump's plan could be effectuated is the U.S. military has to go in and forcibly remove all Palestinian civilians from Gaza, the world is not going to let the Trump administration and the Netanyahu administration starve these two million civilians "out" and Prime Minister Netanyahu and his right wing coalition are not going to send in Israel Defense Forces to do this removal because they are too smart they know too many IDF soldiers would get killed in the process, no way, they know there is this angle to be played here to get the egomaniac Trump to foolishly send in U.S. troops to do this dirty work. In the media what America is now seeing is an abundance of anti-Palestinian Republicans and their allies and Jewish people that want to take all of Palestine for the Jewish state and their allies getting on media platforms and "normalizing" this outrageous morally depraved Trump plan they are trying to lay the groundwork in creating public opinion support for this idea so President Trump can execute on this plan!
What I say to all of you trying to get America to act like an extremely bad country implementing this evil plan that you aren't fully considering the following. American soldiers are good soldiers and if ordered to forcibly remove Palestinian civilians from Gaza they will refuse to carry out that immoral order and the refusal will be of massive scale and cause a crisis in the military, and I foresee the American public and Congress stepping in an forcing a cessation of the operation. Everyone can fully agree that if a soldier was ordered to shoot and kill a civilian it would be an immoral order that a good soldier would have to refuse to carry out. Well that type of order is not the only immoral order that a good soldier would be morally bound to refuse to carry out; also forcibly removing civilians from their homeland, from their own sovereign territory, and removing them to another sovereign territory where they are not a citizen of and so have no natural civil rights to live beyond a biological sense is "immoral" you cannot physically move people from one sovereign jurisdiction to another where this final jurisdiction is one where they will have no natural, fundamental and critical important civil rights to live as a human being. Why would forcibly removing Palestinians from Gaza and transporting them into Egypt be moving a person from their homeland, sovereign territory they have a citizen connection to, to another sovereign territory that they have no citizen rights in. The international community has long recognized the Palestinian's people sovereign claim to the land of Palestine in fact the international community believes the borders of the country of Palestine in the land of Palestine comprise the border that existed between the people of Israel and the people of Palestine in 1967 before the 1967 war with mutually agreed to between the parties trade-offs which puts Gaza in the country of Palestine! If one wants to go back farther the land of Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire for almost the entirety of four hundred years before the British took control as caretakers of the land in 1917 during World War I and at that time Palestinians made up ninety percent of the native population numbering over nine hundred thousand and Jewish people less than ten percent numbering fifty-six thousand (per the United Nation's reports) so by their people's ancestral roots Palestinians have a strong sovereign claim to the land of Palestine and Gaza is in the land of Palestine; Palestinians are not citizens of the country of Egypt and therefore do not have the spectrum of fundamental civil rights that attach with citizenship to a country in Egypt!
Good judgment would conclude that if the Trump administration sends in U.S. soldiers to Gaza to round up Palestinian civilians and put them into trucks to drive them across the border into Egypt many U.S soldiers and U.S. officers commanding them will refuse to carry out such orders deeming them immoral orders for reasons previously set forth. Further, the court martial of such soldiers and officers should be predicted to be reversed by a post-Trump administration and this subsequent administration to hold the top officers that conducted this immoral operation accountable with loss of rank and military careers cut short so as to protect the extremely important reputation of the U.S. military! One should further suspect that because of the immoral nature of the operation troops that don't openly refuse to participate but who actually do participate will feign ineptness in the task and President Trump will find that this operation of removing civilians from their homeland will not come anywhere near completion during his second term. Further, one should expect Hamas fighters to treat the U.S. combat soldiers doing this forcible removal in Gaza as IDF soldiers, as enemy combatants, and the American people will see a lot of U.S. soldiers being killed and seriously wounded conducting this Gaza operation.
If the Trump administration embarks on this plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians and puts U.S. boots on the ground to carry out the forced removal they should expect non-military blowback from good countries throughout the world that will dramatically hurt Israel! Good countries from throughout the world and their publics will not be confused by the technicality that U.S. soldiers are actually doing the loading of Palestinian women and children onto trucks and transporting them out of Gaza, they will view these U.S. soldiers as agents of the Israeli government and penalize the country of Israel accordingly. All you people behind this evil campaign should expect the state of Israel to be treated like the Apartheid government of South Africa by an abundance of good countries throughout the world, they will ban imports from Israel into their country they will ban Israeli companies from conducting business and investing inside their country and they will even deny visas to some Israeli citizens over the matter. The Israeli bans will even rise up in grass root ban efforts in the United States, this move will be outstandingly costly for the country of Israel.
For the next stage of the Gaza truce agreement to take hold the parties have to negotiate not only a deal to release the balance of hostages but also for the permanent withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza and a plan for rebuilding Gaza to make it at least fairly habitable for the two million Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza. This next stage isn't going to happen because it would require the American President to be a morally good leader and President Trump isn't and is completely incapable of becoming such a leader! You need such an American leader because the only way to come up with a plan where the Arab nations in the region will fully sign on to rebuilding Gaza is if you have terms where not only will the IDF leave Gaza but permanently agree to not have a ground invasion into Gaza again. You could have exceptions to this obligation for a narrow scope IDF ground operation into Gaza to capture a Palestinian terrorist leader or blow up a missile storage facility or some other specific targeted operation; but no ground invasions by Israeli Defense forces because a ground invasion by the Israeli Defense Forces means whole civilian neighborhoods in Gaza will be leveled, time and again the IDF has used this battlefield tactic to lower their own casualty rate, so it means humanitarian crisis for affected Palestinian civilians and extremely costly rebuilding operations, the Palestinians neighboring Arab countries cannot afford to keep footing this huge bill. The only way you get the government of Israel to agree to these terms is to have a viable plan to largely shut down Hamas because if you don't Gaza will return as a Hamas missile battery continually firing missiles at the Israeli civilian population which the Israeli government cannot allow. At this juncture of the world's history with Hamas and Hamas's fighting ability it should be taken as a given that the only way to put and keep Hamas in a very weak state where they can't continually fire missiles and rockets into Israel is you remove and block the building of the Hamas tunnel system under Gaza because Hamas' tunnel system provides such huge military strength to the organization; and it seems to me that the only way to permanently shutdown the Hamas tunnel system is that you have to build a large scale complex or complexes underneath Gaza that would allow you to drill from these complexes to anywhere underneath the city of Gaza to locate existing tunnels and pickup construction of new tunnels - once location of tunnels is made you could have a team from the surface find or drill an entrance to the tunnel and using drones and explosives identify the full labyrinth of the tunnel and then the tunnel could be filled with concrete so it would be rendered unusable! The only country that could afford to pay the cost and supply the technology and manpower of such a project is the United States and it would take a good and wise U.S. President to get such a project through Congress and implement such a project because there would be no or little grand standing opportunities it would be a project that bares its great merit in grinding out its work behind the scenes over years. So this is the situation the Palestinian people and the peoples in the many Arab countries in the Middle East and the good people in Israel are left with if they that want a good permanent peace deal for Gaza concisely the situation is they are going to have to wait four years when America has elected a new President. America except for the current President elect Presidents that on the Israeli/Palestinian question are basically good that hold the belief that the two-state solution is the only solution that will bring permanent peace. America's next President will likely lead Israel, the Palestinian people and its Arab neighbors to a good Gaza peace deal because the needed objectives of such a deal are rather obvious at this point in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict you don't have to have the intelligence of a rocket scientist to know what they are you just need the good character to search for the plan to reach these objectives and the fortitude to go forward with the plan.
What it seems like for the government of Israel is that they have a fork in the road now because the second stage of the truce is not going to be reached for reasons previously mentioned. The Israel government could choose to go full bore on their military operations in Gaza and go back to their systematic fighting of Hamas moving those Palestinian civilians in the target zone that will move like their a herd of cattle killing a lot of Hamas fighters arresting a lot of Palestinians some Hamas combatants, most not and incurring a steady number of IDF soldier casualties. The alternative is negotiate like hell for the release of the hostages throw a ton of humanitarian aid on the table, tents, mobile homes, etc. and agree if all the hostages are released during the balance of this Gaza campaign the IDF will not go in force in the outer zone area of the Gaza strip encompassing a third of the Gaza strip there will be no evacuation orders for these areas what the Israeli government will be saying is that the IDF operations in Gaza will narrow its goal to denying Hamas control and free rein in the center two-thirds of Gaza and it is the hope of the Israeli government that it can one day reach a peace deal with the Palestinian people where it can permanently remove the IDF from the Gaza strip. Knowing Hamas they won't originally accept the deal so the Israeli government will have to up the cost for Hamas for its refusal specifically the IDF will have to commence military operations and prudence would call for the IDF to abandon its goal of destroying Hamas as a fighting force the past fifteen months of fighting proves that isn't a practical goal the IDF's goal should be to maximize the body count of dead Hamas fighters which would allow the IDF to cordon off smaller sections of Gaza where it tries to evacuate civilians before sending in its ground forces resulting in less fire fight combat interactions resulting in less civilian and IDF soldier casualties!
The other thing that all parties should consider is that President Donald Trump may not make it through his four-year term, they may end up getting a U.S. President that is a decent person sooner who could produce to the Gaza problem. Why, because Donald Trump is the worst American President in modern times by a long shot. He is woefully unfit to be President; he is not tethered to good conscience, his thinking is not only not good it is seriously dangerously nutty, he is emotionally disordered to the degree where he cannot reliably function he cannot reliably put the countries interest over his own, his emotional disorder creeps in and interferes with him continually advancing and protecting the country's interests and the guy has disgraced and corrupted the office of the Presidency beyond belief, making over $100 million for his family selling Trump and Melania crypto currency coins after being elected President and using his office to coerce settlements in his civil litigation lawsuits some of which are very questionable suits! I think prudence calls for the assessment that the Republicans could do very poorly in the midterms over Trump chaos and his crew taking sledge hammers to America's institutions destroying the good with the bad. I could envision after a bad mid-terms, Republicans at all levels becoming very disillusioned recognizing this guy is a hopeless case as a President and leaders going to President Trump and say why don't you resign and take a big pay day you have a window here that won't last long you can sell you crypto and sell your truth social stock and build the development projects you have in your queue and live happily ever after. I could see Donald Trump taking the off ramp because when Democrats get control of the House in 2027 he doesn't have a good future I see them trying to impeach President Trump there is a case that could be made now and it is an outstandingly good bet that President Trump will do additional things over the next two years that would provide further grounds for impeachment!
What I say to all of you trying to get America to act like an extremely bad country implementing this evil plan that you aren't fully considering the following. American soldiers are good soldiers and if ordered to forcibly remove Palestinian civilians from Gaza they will refuse to carry out that immoral order and the refusal will be of massive scale and cause a crisis in the military, and I foresee the American public and Congress stepping in an forcing a cessation of the operation. Everyone can fully agree that if a soldier was ordered to shoot and kill a civilian it would be an immoral order that a good soldier would have to refuse to carry out. Well that type of order is not the only immoral order that a good soldier would be morally bound to refuse to carry out; also forcibly removing civilians from their homeland, from their own sovereign territory, and removing them to another sovereign territory where they are not a citizen of and so have no natural civil rights to live beyond a biological sense is "immoral" you cannot physically move people from one sovereign jurisdiction to another where this final jurisdiction is one where they will have no natural, fundamental and critical important civil rights to live as a human being. Why would forcibly removing Palestinians from Gaza and transporting them into Egypt be moving a person from their homeland, sovereign territory they have a citizen connection to, to another sovereign territory that they have no citizen rights in. The international community has long recognized the Palestinian's people sovereign claim to the land of Palestine in fact the international community believes the borders of the country of Palestine in the land of Palestine comprise the border that existed between the people of Israel and the people of Palestine in 1967 before the 1967 war with mutually agreed to between the parties trade-offs which puts Gaza in the country of Palestine! If one wants to go back farther the land of Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire for almost the entirety of four hundred years before the British took control as caretakers of the land in 1917 during World War I and at that time Palestinians made up ninety percent of the native population numbering over nine hundred thousand and Jewish people less than ten percent numbering fifty-six thousand (per the United Nation's reports) so by their people's ancestral roots Palestinians have a strong sovereign claim to the land of Palestine and Gaza is in the land of Palestine; Palestinians are not citizens of the country of Egypt and therefore do not have the spectrum of fundamental civil rights that attach with citizenship to a country in Egypt!
Good judgment would conclude that if the Trump administration sends in U.S. soldiers to Gaza to round up Palestinian civilians and put them into trucks to drive them across the border into Egypt many U.S soldiers and U.S. officers commanding them will refuse to carry out such orders deeming them immoral orders for reasons previously set forth. Further, the court martial of such soldiers and officers should be predicted to be reversed by a post-Trump administration and this subsequent administration to hold the top officers that conducted this immoral operation accountable with loss of rank and military careers cut short so as to protect the extremely important reputation of the U.S. military! One should further suspect that because of the immoral nature of the operation troops that don't openly refuse to participate but who actually do participate will feign ineptness in the task and President Trump will find that this operation of removing civilians from their homeland will not come anywhere near completion during his second term. Further, one should expect Hamas fighters to treat the U.S. combat soldiers doing this forcible removal in Gaza as IDF soldiers, as enemy combatants, and the American people will see a lot of U.S. soldiers being killed and seriously wounded conducting this Gaza operation.
If the Trump administration embarks on this plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians and puts U.S. boots on the ground to carry out the forced removal they should expect non-military blowback from good countries throughout the world that will dramatically hurt Israel! Good countries from throughout the world and their publics will not be confused by the technicality that U.S. soldiers are actually doing the loading of Palestinian women and children onto trucks and transporting them out of Gaza, they will view these U.S. soldiers as agents of the Israeli government and penalize the country of Israel accordingly. All you people behind this evil campaign should expect the state of Israel to be treated like the Apartheid government of South Africa by an abundance of good countries throughout the world, they will ban imports from Israel into their country they will ban Israeli companies from conducting business and investing inside their country and they will even deny visas to some Israeli citizens over the matter. The Israeli bans will even rise up in grass root ban efforts in the United States, this move will be outstandingly costly for the country of Israel.
For the next stage of the Gaza truce agreement to take hold the parties have to negotiate not only a deal to release the balance of hostages but also for the permanent withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza and a plan for rebuilding Gaza to make it at least fairly habitable for the two million Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza. This next stage isn't going to happen because it would require the American President to be a morally good leader and President Trump isn't and is completely incapable of becoming such a leader! You need such an American leader because the only way to come up with a plan where the Arab nations in the region will fully sign on to rebuilding Gaza is if you have terms where not only will the IDF leave Gaza but permanently agree to not have a ground invasion into Gaza again. You could have exceptions to this obligation for a narrow scope IDF ground operation into Gaza to capture a Palestinian terrorist leader or blow up a missile storage facility or some other specific targeted operation; but no ground invasions by Israeli Defense forces because a ground invasion by the Israeli Defense Forces means whole civilian neighborhoods in Gaza will be leveled, time and again the IDF has used this battlefield tactic to lower their own casualty rate, so it means humanitarian crisis for affected Palestinian civilians and extremely costly rebuilding operations, the Palestinians neighboring Arab countries cannot afford to keep footing this huge bill. The only way you get the government of Israel to agree to these terms is to have a viable plan to largely shut down Hamas because if you don't Gaza will return as a Hamas missile battery continually firing missiles at the Israeli civilian population which the Israeli government cannot allow. At this juncture of the world's history with Hamas and Hamas's fighting ability it should be taken as a given that the only way to put and keep Hamas in a very weak state where they can't continually fire missiles and rockets into Israel is you remove and block the building of the Hamas tunnel system under Gaza because Hamas' tunnel system provides such huge military strength to the organization; and it seems to me that the only way to permanently shutdown the Hamas tunnel system is that you have to build a large scale complex or complexes underneath Gaza that would allow you to drill from these complexes to anywhere underneath the city of Gaza to locate existing tunnels and pickup construction of new tunnels - once location of tunnels is made you could have a team from the surface find or drill an entrance to the tunnel and using drones and explosives identify the full labyrinth of the tunnel and then the tunnel could be filled with concrete so it would be rendered unusable! The only country that could afford to pay the cost and supply the technology and manpower of such a project is the United States and it would take a good and wise U.S. President to get such a project through Congress and implement such a project because there would be no or little grand standing opportunities it would be a project that bares its great merit in grinding out its work behind the scenes over years. So this is the situation the Palestinian people and the peoples in the many Arab countries in the Middle East and the good people in Israel are left with if they that want a good permanent peace deal for Gaza concisely the situation is they are going to have to wait four years when America has elected a new President. America except for the current President elect Presidents that on the Israeli/Palestinian question are basically good that hold the belief that the two-state solution is the only solution that will bring permanent peace. America's next President will likely lead Israel, the Palestinian people and its Arab neighbors to a good Gaza peace deal because the needed objectives of such a deal are rather obvious at this point in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict you don't have to have the intelligence of a rocket scientist to know what they are you just need the good character to search for the plan to reach these objectives and the fortitude to go forward with the plan.
What it seems like for the government of Israel is that they have a fork in the road now because the second stage of the truce is not going to be reached for reasons previously mentioned. The Israel government could choose to go full bore on their military operations in Gaza and go back to their systematic fighting of Hamas moving those Palestinian civilians in the target zone that will move like their a herd of cattle killing a lot of Hamas fighters arresting a lot of Palestinians some Hamas combatants, most not and incurring a steady number of IDF soldier casualties. The alternative is negotiate like hell for the release of the hostages throw a ton of humanitarian aid on the table, tents, mobile homes, etc. and agree if all the hostages are released during the balance of this Gaza campaign the IDF will not go in force in the outer zone area of the Gaza strip encompassing a third of the Gaza strip there will be no evacuation orders for these areas what the Israeli government will be saying is that the IDF operations in Gaza will narrow its goal to denying Hamas control and free rein in the center two-thirds of Gaza and it is the hope of the Israeli government that it can one day reach a peace deal with the Palestinian people where it can permanently remove the IDF from the Gaza strip. Knowing Hamas they won't originally accept the deal so the Israeli government will have to up the cost for Hamas for its refusal specifically the IDF will have to commence military operations and prudence would call for the IDF to abandon its goal of destroying Hamas as a fighting force the past fifteen months of fighting proves that isn't a practical goal the IDF's goal should be to maximize the body count of dead Hamas fighters which would allow the IDF to cordon off smaller sections of Gaza where it tries to evacuate civilians before sending in its ground forces resulting in less fire fight combat interactions resulting in less civilian and IDF soldier casualties!
The other thing that all parties should consider is that President Donald Trump may not make it through his four-year term, they may end up getting a U.S. President that is a decent person sooner who could produce to the Gaza problem. Why, because Donald Trump is the worst American President in modern times by a long shot. He is woefully unfit to be President; he is not tethered to good conscience, his thinking is not only not good it is seriously dangerously nutty, he is emotionally disordered to the degree where he cannot reliably function he cannot reliably put the countries interest over his own, his emotional disorder creeps in and interferes with him continually advancing and protecting the country's interests and the guy has disgraced and corrupted the office of the Presidency beyond belief, making over $100 million for his family selling Trump and Melania crypto currency coins after being elected President and using his office to coerce settlements in his civil litigation lawsuits some of which are very questionable suits! I think prudence calls for the assessment that the Republicans could do very poorly in the midterms over Trump chaos and his crew taking sledge hammers to America's institutions destroying the good with the bad. I could envision after a bad mid-terms, Republicans at all levels becoming very disillusioned recognizing this guy is a hopeless case as a President and leaders going to President Trump and say why don't you resign and take a big pay day you have a window here that won't last long you can sell you crypto and sell your truth social stock and build the development projects you have in your queue and live happily ever after. I could see Donald Trump taking the off ramp because when Democrats get control of the House in 2027 he doesn't have a good future I see them trying to impeach President Trump there is a case that could be made now and it is an outstandingly good bet that President Trump will do additional things over the next two years that would provide further grounds for impeachment!
