Putin warns Russia will be at war with NATO if leaders lift Ukraine missile restrictions

[Burgermeister]

These lunatics are going to get us into a nuclear war. We are watching this train wreck happen right now, and there are idiots who back these moves 100%.

From the video - Russian President Vladimir Putin is warning that Russia will be at war with the U.S. and European countries if NATO leaders grant Ukraine permission to use long-range missiles inside Russian territory. Putin said he'd consider the move an act of war and that Moscow would make "appropriate decisions in response to the threats.

From another article, Putin says, “The Ukrainian army is not able to strike with modern long-range precision systems of Western manufacture. It cannot do this. It can only do so using intelligence from satellites, which Ukraine does not have. This is data from [European Union] satellites, or from the United States, in general from NATO,” he said.

Putin believes only NATO servicemen can enter flight assignments for the missile systems, arguing the real question is whether NATO wants to be directly involved in the war in Ukraine or not.

 

[Donald H]

A duplicate thread to mine was predictable!
Same story from the media!

Anyway, this by the media is an obvious offer to Trump to play the threat by Russia as the real thing if Kamala and the Dems aren't stopped soon.

He had already hinted and set the stage!

But it's still fraught with great risk and peril for Trump, on account of the fact that it's near impossible for Americans to have any antiwar feelings for Russians.

And strike two against Trump is the fact that it's a proxy war and few Americans are dying yet in the Ukraine.

(I'll post this in my thread too just in case one is taken down?)

 

[skye]

RFK is right!

 

[the watcher]

The US and the UN started this debacle when they began threatening Russia with their encirclement and containment policies with using Ukraine as an operating military base. When Russia responded, as we might have done to a corrupt satellite state threat to their security, we were told that Russia attacked for no reason. People of course lined up to help the poor people in the news, whipped on bu the state media. Now our leaders are saying they are considering missile strikes deep inside Russia, and once again the headlines will scream that it was an unprovoked attack when Russia defends itself. What would we do if someone was firing missiles into our country? Not everyone just drops their borders and lets it run wild, we are exceptional. This time I do think it will not be so easy to obscure the truth when the violence come here, but it will be too late.

 

[kyzr]

The US and the UN started this debacle when they began threatening Russia with their encirclement and containment policies with using Ukraine as an operating military base. When Russia responded, as we might have done to a corrupt satellite state threat to their security, we were told that Russia attacked for no reason. People of course lined up to help the poor people in the news, whipped on bu the state media. Now our leaders are saying they are considering missile strikes deep inside Russia, and once again the headlines will scream that it was an unprovoked attack when Russia defends itself. What would we do if someone was firing missiles into our country? Not everyone just drops their borders and lets it run wild, we are exceptional. This time I do think it will not be so easy to obscure the truth when the violence come here, but it will be too late.

NATO is NOT an aggressive organization, it is strictly defensive.
If independent countries like Ukraine want to join NATO to protect their boundaries from aggressive dictators, that is their right.
I disagree that Ukraine is a "satellite state" of Russia, and is a threat to Russia's security, Russia is the aggressor, not Ukraine.

Russia is striking deep into Ukraine with missiles and drones, so if Russia or Ukraine wants to escalate that is their decision.
A much better decision would be to de-escalate and find an off-ramp to end the war.

 

[the watcher]

NATO is NOT an aggressive organization, it is strictly defensive.

With all due respect, horseshit.

 

[d0gbreath]

Big talk from a small man.

 

[kyzr]

With all due respect, horseshit.

So prove your point. Where has NATO ever invaded? Hint: never happened, duh.

 

[Donald H]

For those who don't follow the war news regularly, it's worth saying that up until 12-24 hours ago, the world was risking nuclear war, equal to or greater than during the Cuba/Turkey missile crisis.

It appears that Biden has been instructed to take the safe path away from nuclear war with Russia once again.

However, perhaps contrary to America's choice, the situation has created a loose cannon in Poland!

 

[the watcher]

The UN is the alter ego or the US and GB, useful for giving their imperialist wars a quasi legal status. The didn't hesitate to invade S Korea, calling it a response. Invasion by puppet invitation is still invasion. You call military actions "peacekeeping" so that is your definition, but it requires landing combat troops.

 

[irosie91]

The US and the UN started this debacle when they began threatening Russia with their encirclement and containment policies with using Ukraine as an operating military base. When Russia responded, as we might have done to a corrupt satellite state threat to their security, we were told that Russia attacked for no reason. People of course lined up to help the poor people in the news, whipped on bu the state media. Now our leaders are saying they are considering missile strikes deep inside Russia, and once again the headlines will scream that it was an unprovoked attack when Russia defends itself. What would we do if someone was firing missiles into our country? Not everyone just drops their borders and lets it run wild, we are exceptional. This time I do think it will not be so easy to obscure the truth when the violence come here, but it will be too late.

when did the US AND THE UN begin threatening Russia with
encirclement USING URKAINE------I don't remember ANYTHING
like that------of course I do understand that from the POV of
IMPERIALIST RUSSIA----by means of PROJECTIONS---that PUTIN
would so SURMISE

 

[irosie91]

The UN is the alter ego or the US and GB, useful for giving their imperialist wars a quasi legal status. The didn't hesitate to invade S Korea, calling it a response. Invasion by puppet invitation is still invasion. You call military actions "peacekeeping" so that is your definition, but it requires landing combat troops.

get a head check

 

[Donald H]

The UN is the alter ego or the US and GB, useful for giving their imperialist wars a quasi legal status. The didn't hesitate to invade S Korea, calling it a response. Invasion by puppet invitation is still invasion. You call military actions "peacekeeping" so that is your definition, but it requires landing combat troops.

Don't let the spam from the uninformed discourage you. The real message needs to be repeated over and over again.
Perhaps just adding in a bit more detail each time.

Such as, America started the war against Russia even before 2014, as the Ukraine as proxy.

In fact, we might suggest that the war against Russia was started by America as early as 1950.

 

[kyzr]

The UN is the alter ego or the US and GB, useful for giving their imperialist wars a quasi legal status. The didn't hesitate to invade S Korea, calling it a response. Invasion by puppet invitation is still invasion. You call military actions "peacekeeping" so that is your definition, but it requires landing combat troops.

Who invaded SK first, NK or the US?
HINT: "On 25 June 1950, the Korean People's Army, equipped and trained by the Soviets, launched an invasion of the south."

Korean War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So no, you did not prove that NATO launched an invasion of another country. NATO defends countries from invasion, duh.

 

[irosie91]

Who invaded SK first, NK or the US?
HINT: "On 25 June 1950, the Korean People's Army, equipped and trained by the Soviets, launched an invasion of the south."

Korean War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So no, you did not prove that NATO launched an invasion of another country. NATO defends countries from invasion, duh.

The "relationship" between the Ukraine and Russia has been one of
EXPLOITATION BY IMPERIALIST RUSSIA FOR CENTURIES

 

[kyzr]

Don't let the spam from the uninformed discourage you. The real message needs to be repeated over and over again.
Perhaps just adding in a bit more detail each time. Such as, America started the war against Russia even before 2014, as the Ukraine as proxy.
In fact, we might suggest that the war against Russia was started by America as early as 1950.

You can type anything you want, but the truth is that Russia invaded Ukraine in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, the US and NATO made security guarantees to Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. Ukraine is still fighting against Russia's invasion. Putin's 3-day war is now going on 3-years.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Budapest Memorandum and U.S. Obligations

On the twentieth anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum, Steven Pifer, one of the negotiators of that document, writes that it is time for the Unites States to make good on the security assurances it made to Ukraine. Doing so could prevent future nuclear proliferation.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Donald H]

You can type anything you want, but the truth is that Russia invaded Ukraine in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, the US and NATO made security guarantees to Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. Ukraine is still fighting against Russia's invasion. Putin's 3-day war is now going on 3-years.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Budapest Memorandum and U.S. Obligations

On the twentieth anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum, Steven Pifer, one of the negotiators of that document, writes that it is time for the Unites States to make good on the security assurances it made to Ukraine. Doing so could prevent future nuclear proliferation.

www.brookings.edu

Some say too that peace was agreed upon in 22 with the Minsk agreement, but America and GB ordered the agreement be cancelled. They had confidence that Russia would be easily defeated.

And now Russia can see complete victory over everything the West can throw at Russia, short of violating existing mutual agreements or nuclear war.

Some say?

Stay in tune with current events concerning the war.

 

[kyzr]

Some say too that peace was agreed upon in 22 with the Minsk agreement, but America and GB ordered the agreement be cancelled. They had confidence that Russia would be easily defeated.

And now Russia can see complete victory over everything the West can throw at Russia, short of violating existing mutual agreements or nuclear war.

Some say? Stay in tune with current events concerning the war.

1. Some say Putin invaded Ukraine and expected a 3-day war, some say its now a 3-year war. Some say its a zugzwang.

2. No Ukrainians signed the Minsk Agreements

3. Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, guaranteeing Ukraine sovereignty for giving up its nukes.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Donald H]

1. Some say Putin invaded Ukraine and expected a 3-day war, some say its now a 3-year war. Some say its a zugzwang.

2. No Ukrainians signed the Minsk Agreements

3. Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, guaranteeing Ukraine sovereignty for giving up its nukes.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ukraine wouldn't have permittee America to start the war if they still had their nuclear weapons.

 

[GLASNOST]

Putin warns Russia will be at war with NATO if leaders lift Ukraine missile restrictions​

These lunatics are going to get us into a nuclear war.

Yes.