Quiz: Is Your Brain Republican or Democrat?

[frigidweirdo]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal.

If you know a man died in the hotel bed last night, emotion says that this is not a good thing, logic says this won't harm you in any way at all.

Trump says "Make America Great", emotion says "this is great", logic says "bullshit".

Your blatant bias is showing.

Not at all. Let's look at the questions.

"I might be willing to try eating monkey meat, under some circumstances."

Monkey meat, dog meat, cow meat, pig meat, what's the difference? Logic says there's no difference killing one animal and eating it to killing any other animal and eating it.

Emotionally there is a difference, monkeys look like humans, exhibit human tendencies in certain way. Chickens are easy to eat, they're ugly, they small, they're totally nonhuman.

"
It would bother me to be in a science class, and to see a human hand preserved in a jar."

Logic says, it's just a human hand. It's not going to harm me, it's just what it is.

Emotion says, "fuck me, I have one of these, I can imagine someone ripping this off my hand, oww, that hurts, that's bad, run away, freak out".

"It bothers me to hear someone clear a throat full of mucous."

Logic says "so what?"

Emotion says "I might get the germs and diseases that person has, I might die".

"
I never let any part of my body touch the toilet seat in public restrooms."

Logic says that many people have been to the toilet and sat on the seat others have sat on. The back of the legs are no different to the hands, and people will touch the taps that other people have touched, but not the seat they've sat on with their skin.

Emotion says "there could be pee or shit on there, and I could get the diseases of the people who have sat on there".

"
I would go out of my way to avoid walking through a graveyard."

Logic says this is a place where dead bodies are buried, dead bodies are dead, they're not going to come back to life and kill me.

Emotion says "I saw a horror film last night, I might die if the zombies wake up".

Emotion is often irrational. It doesn't always make sense under logic. It might "make sense" to the person who is thinking these things, but they're probably not thought the whole thing through. They let their emotion take over and control how they think.

There's no difference in how people who are conservative thing about their politics. It's all about having a great country. What difference does it make to MY LIFE if the country can go and invade Iraq? Apart from not having to pay for such a war?

Gay marriage. Conservatives see it emotionally, "gay people are disgusting". Liberals see it logically, why shouldn't gay people be treated equally?

 

[ptbw forever]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal.

If you know a man died in the hotel bed last night, emotion says that this is not a good thing, logic says this won't harm you in any way at all.

Trump says "Make America Great", emotion says "this is great", logic says "bullshit".

If you understood logic you would also understand that "Make America Great Again"="Hope and Change".

 

[HenryBHough]

I tried answering whilst pretending to do so as a liberal Democrat.

So, from the result I know know that I completely understand how the Democrat Hive mind works because the "test" indicated 100% Democrat.

 

[Fang]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal.

If you know a man died in the hotel bed last night, emotion says that this is not a good thing, logic says this won't harm you in any way at all.

Trump says "Make America Great", emotion says "this is great", logic says "bullshit".

There's absolutely nothing logical about Liberals. They run off pure emotion without any thought whatsoever. How else could you explain black lives matter and all these young people backing a socialist. These people are clueless.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal..

Logic is liberal?

Okay, so we have 45 million people without health insurance; mostly because they can't afford it. So I'll make a law that says everybody must have insurance they can't afford, and when they don't buy it because they can't afford it, the government will take away their badly needed income tax return.

We liberals have turned out jails into such playgrounds, that criminals no longer fear it. So our plan is to disarm America and give the criminal every advantage, and then that will help us bring down crime.

Speaking of crime, we will limit how many rounds a magazine can carry. This way when somebody proceeds with a mass killing, the two seconds it takes to change a magazine will stop mass killings. And if we could ever make a law that prohibits guns from everybody, the criminal will be the first to turn their guns in.

As President, my wife realizes Americans are getting fatter. To stop this problem, I will force restaurants to put a calorie count next to each and every item, and that will solve obesity.

We need to make liberal colleges affordable. The problem is that so many people want to go to college it affects the supply and demand process. The more demand and less supply, the higher the cost. So we will force taxpayers to fund people going to colleges and create more demand and less supply.

If you think liberals are logical, then you must have your head buried in the sand.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Correct, what can be sensible about being able to defend yourself?

Jesus or God may not exist, yet Global Warming does, and only that can be forced down our throats and not religion.

The funny thing is, people try debating, but end up just annoying each other, and then playing this silly little team game nonsense.

And you're doing exactly that. People have their opinions, because they come on here and state their opinions, to you this is them forcing it down your throat. Then don't come on here, and then they won't be forcing it down your throat.

But you do come on here, so, if you were sensible about things then it might not feel like people are trying to force things down your throat.

Correct, this is a blog and people voice their opinions which is what a forum is all about. However, it's not forcing it down our throats.

What I mean by forcing it down our throats are regulations such as what DumBama put in place that will increase my electric bill. Forcing it down our throats is what takes place at my work where environmental regulations cost my company tens of thousands of dollars more to purchase equipment and supply fuel. Forcing it down our throats are environmental regulations on our gasoline and cars that we purchase which costs us much more than without them.

Okay, I understand.

You don't want environmental regulations.

Saying that I don't want war forced down my throat, paying loads of money to pay for unjust and immoral wars.

Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

The war could end up costing $6 trillion. How much of that would a normal person have to pay for?

I also don't want to have to pay double for healthcare, but that's generally thrust down my throat too, what with private insurance companies on the take, hospitals on the take, pharma companies and doctors on the take too. Corruption is massive.

Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually

"
Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually"

I don't want to have to pay for the extra costs of prisoners in the US prison system.

Bureau of Justice Statistics table about trend expenditures on criminal justice in the United States by function.

$74 billion in 2007 and the $212 billion that goes on the police and so on, how much of this is unnecessary and is there before not enough is being spent in other areas, including on mental health issues etc?

So, it can work both ways.

http://www.rff.org/files/sharepoint/WorkImages/Download/RFF-DP-03-06.pdf

They estimate that 2% of GDP is spent on environmental protection. That's 2% of 17 trillion dollars. 340 billion.

So, that's slightly more than the corruption in the healthcare system.

It's less than the cost of the Iraq war, by a long, long, long way. It's a third the size of social security, slightly more than net interest, a lot less than defense spending, etc etc.

The thing is, Obama campaigned on the environment and he won. So, it suggests that people are interested in saving their own environment.

Which then begs the question, where does the govt spend and where doesn't it spend? On issues that all of the people are happy to spend? On the issues that those who campaign and then get elected want to spend? How?

Staying out of your life is almost impossible, as I showed with some examples.

So let's have some numbers here:

What did you have to pay towards the Iraq war? Where did you send the check to? Because I can tell you the thousands of dollars Commie Care cost me and where it went.

If you don't want to pay double for healthcare, then don't get any healthcare. Don't buy insurance. What did you pay dollars and cents for healthcare because (as you claim) it's double of what it's supposed to be?

Fraud and corruption? Do you know how many billions it costs taxpayers a year in fraud and corruption in our government systems such as Medicare, Medicaid and the VA????

340 billion in environmental costs? Are you crazy? I bet we transportation companies pay twice that alone in increased diesel fuel costs since the regulation of lower sulfur diesel fuel came about over ten years ago. Since that time, diesel fuel hovered around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and tractor-trailers get around 6 MPH. Straight trucks around 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel fuel was always much cheaper than gasoline.

It's impossible to calculate environmental costs because they are included in the price of our goods and services. Every single thing you buy today had an intrinsic environmental cost to it.

Every year people are paying for the Iraq War, and will be doing so for the next 50 years or so. The "check" came out of pay checks. You think the war just came free? No, it was paid for by taxes.

Healthcare is essential. Not paying for healthcare might cost you even more money. The reality is with private healthcare you end up paying for the corruption in order to get something that is essential to your life. Great huh?

I doubt that transportation companies pay 4% of GDP in increased fuel costs.

Yes, it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in dollars and it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in the damage that we're doing to the world.

Sea-lions are dying because we're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like crazies.

But then people are more concerned with making money than they are about the environment around them.

If you even earn a paycheck, why don't you try taking a look at it sometime?

Not one penny goes to any wars. Your paycheck deductions are Social Security, FICA which is another fancy name for SS, Medicare, state and local taxes. WTF are any funds going to war?

Payment for wars (as with most federal things) comes out of income tax; the same income tax nearly half of Americans don't pay. More than likely, it's not costing you a dime. Those evil rich people are paying for it, so that should make you happy.

Again, environmental costs are hidden. Besides what we pay in fuel, all trucks manufactured after 2010 have to use Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short.

DEF is a separate container that squirts fluid into the exhaust pipes supposedly making exhaust cleaner. It has to be refilled once every two weeks or more depending on how many miles you drive. Another added environmental cost that solves nothing. This is beside the fact that trucks cost anywhere between 10k and 20k more than they did ten years ago before environmental regulations. And my experience (which is backed up by diesel mechanics) is that 90% of truck breakdowns (which happen frequently) are because of some environmental gadget going haywire. That means the company or driver has to bring the unit in for service, get a rental for however long it takes to figure out the problem, and drive all the way back to return the rental once the original unit is repaired. Then of course, pay the expensive bill to fix the damn thing.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Your brain is a Democrat
Conservative (42%)
Liberal (58%)

I got 43% Conservative 57 % Liberal.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal.

If you know a man died in the hotel bed last night, emotion says that this is not a good thing, logic says this won't harm you in any way at all.

Trump says "Make America Great", emotion says "this is great", logic says "bullshit".

There's absolutely nothing logical about Liberals. They run off pure emotion without any thought whatsoever. How else could you explain black lives matter and all these young people backing a socialist. These people are clueless.

Some people clearly are clueless. Or maybe some people just haven't figured things out yet. They're using logic, but they haven't quite go to the point where it makes much sense.

Certainly the further away you get from the center of politics, left or right, the less sensible things get. That doesn't mean something isn't logical. It just means it isn't totally logical.

Imagine, you have poor people. Isn't it logical to help them out? Sure it is. There's logic there. Then reality kicks in. So, they're ignoring the reality. Doesn't mean they haven't applied logical reasoning to their thought process.

Logic doesn't always come up with the right answer or a sensible answer.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I have a brain so I must be a Republican.

In any event...
Your brain is a Republican
69% Conservative.

Sounds about right.

Seems to me that emotion is conservative, logic is liberal..

Logic is liberal?

Okay, so we have 45 million people without health insurance; mostly because they can't afford it. So I'll make a law that says everybody must have insurance they can't afford, and when they don't buy it because they can't afford it, the government will take away their badly needed income tax return.

We liberals have turned out jails into such playgrounds, that criminals no longer fear it. So our plan is to disarm America and give the criminal every advantage, and then that will help us bring down crime.

Speaking of crime, we will limit how many rounds a magazine can carry. This way when somebody proceeds with a mass killing, the two seconds it takes to change a magazine will stop mass killings. And if we could ever make a law that prohibits guns from everybody, the criminal will be the first to turn their guns in.

As President, my wife realizes Americans are getting fatter. To stop this problem, I will force restaurants to put a calorie count next to each and every item, and that will solve obesity.

We need to make liberal colleges affordable. The problem is that so many people want to go to college it affects the supply and demand process. The more demand and less supply, the higher the cost. So we will force taxpayers to fund people going to colleges and create more demand and less supply.

If you think liberals are logical, then you must have your head buried in the sand.

I'll just point you to the post I wrote above, saying that logic doesn't always have to make sense.

Some of what you say makes sense, some of it doesn't. I won't go into each of these.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The funny thing is, people try debating, but end up just annoying each other, and then playing this silly little team game nonsense.

And you're doing exactly that. People have their opinions, because they come on here and state their opinions, to you this is them forcing it down your throat. Then don't come on here, and then they won't be forcing it down your throat.

But you do come on here, so, if you were sensible about things then it might not feel like people are trying to force things down your throat.

Correct, this is a blog and people voice their opinions which is what a forum is all about. However, it's not forcing it down our throats.

What I mean by forcing it down our throats are regulations such as what DumBama put in place that will increase my electric bill. Forcing it down our throats is what takes place at my work where environmental regulations cost my company tens of thousands of dollars more to purchase equipment and supply fuel. Forcing it down our throats are environmental regulations on our gasoline and cars that we purchase which costs us much more than without them.

Okay, I understand.

You don't want environmental regulations.

Saying that I don't want war forced down my throat, paying loads of money to pay for unjust and immoral wars.

Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

The war could end up costing $6 trillion. How much of that would a normal person have to pay for?

I also don't want to have to pay double for healthcare, but that's generally thrust down my throat too, what with private insurance companies on the take, hospitals on the take, pharma companies and doctors on the take too. Corruption is massive.

Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually

"
Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually"

I don't want to have to pay for the extra costs of prisoners in the US prison system.

Bureau of Justice Statistics table about trend expenditures on criminal justice in the United States by function.

$74 billion in 2007 and the $212 billion that goes on the police and so on, how much of this is unnecessary and is there before not enough is being spent in other areas, including on mental health issues etc?

So, it can work both ways.

http://www.rff.org/files/sharepoint/WorkImages/Download/RFF-DP-03-06.pdf

They estimate that 2% of GDP is spent on environmental protection. That's 2% of 17 trillion dollars. 340 billion.

So, that's slightly more than the corruption in the healthcare system.

It's less than the cost of the Iraq war, by a long, long, long way. It's a third the size of social security, slightly more than net interest, a lot less than defense spending, etc etc.

The thing is, Obama campaigned on the environment and he won. So, it suggests that people are interested in saving their own environment.

Which then begs the question, where does the govt spend and where doesn't it spend? On issues that all of the people are happy to spend? On the issues that those who campaign and then get elected want to spend? How?

Staying out of your life is almost impossible, as I showed with some examples.

So let's have some numbers here:

What did you have to pay towards the Iraq war? Where did you send the check to? Because I can tell you the thousands of dollars Commie Care cost me and where it went.

If you don't want to pay double for healthcare, then don't get any healthcare. Don't buy insurance. What did you pay dollars and cents for healthcare because (as you claim) it's double of what it's supposed to be?

Fraud and corruption? Do you know how many billions it costs taxpayers a year in fraud and corruption in our government systems such as Medicare, Medicaid and the VA????

340 billion in environmental costs? Are you crazy? I bet we transportation companies pay twice that alone in increased diesel fuel costs since the regulation of lower sulfur diesel fuel came about over ten years ago. Since that time, diesel fuel hovered around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and tractor-trailers get around 6 MPH. Straight trucks around 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel fuel was always much cheaper than gasoline.

It's impossible to calculate environmental costs because they are included in the price of our goods and services. Every single thing you buy today had an intrinsic environmental cost to it.

Every year people are paying for the Iraq War, and will be doing so for the next 50 years or so. The "check" came out of pay checks. You think the war just came free? No, it was paid for by taxes.

Healthcare is essential. Not paying for healthcare might cost you even more money. The reality is with private healthcare you end up paying for the corruption in order to get something that is essential to your life. Great huh?

I doubt that transportation companies pay 4% of GDP in increased fuel costs.

Yes, it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in dollars and it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in the damage that we're doing to the world.

Sea-lions are dying because we're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like crazies.

But then people are more concerned with making money than they are about the environment around them.

If you even earn a paycheck, why don't you try taking a look at it sometime?

Not one penny goes to any wars. Your paycheck deductions are Social Security, FICA which is another fancy name for SS, Medicare, state and local taxes. WTF are any funds going to war?

Payment for wars (as with most federal things) comes out of income tax; the same income tax nearly half of Americans don't pay. More than likely, it's not costing you a dime. Those evil rich people are paying for it, so that should make you happy.

Again, environmental costs are hidden. Besides what we pay in fuel, all trucks manufactured after 2010 have to use Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short.

DEF is a separate container that squirts fluid into the exhaust pipes supposedly making exhaust cleaner. It has to be refilled once every two weeks or more depending on how many miles you drive. Another added environmental cost that solves nothing. This is beside the fact that trucks cost anywhere between 10k and 20k more than they did ten years ago before environmental regulations. And my experience (which is backed up by diesel mechanics) is that 90% of truck breakdowns (which happen frequently) are because of some environmental gadget going haywire. That means the company or driver has to bring the unit in for service, get a rental for however long it takes to figure out the problem, and drive all the way back to return the rental once the original unit is repaired. Then of course, pay the expensive bill to fix the damn thing.

You think I don't work? Whatever rocks you boat I suppose. I'm not going to tell you about my life, this is about politics.

However, what happens to social security money that gets taken from pay checks and doesn't get spent on social security? Oh, it ends up being spent by the US federal govt for things like WARS.

How Much Money Does The US Government Owe The Social Security Trust Fund?

"However, instead of cash, these two trust funds have IOUs from the US government. All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government". So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending. "

Income tax isn't paid by however many people.

Well 19.4% of people are 14 years old or under.
14.5% are over the age of 65. So that's already 35% of people who (often) don't work and pay income tax.

So your "nearly half" figure doesn't really take into account that 35% of those 47% wouldn't work anyway.

How many people don't pay income taxes?

The IRS report (the excel sheet can be downloaded) says there are 10 million people who earn between $1 and $5,000 dollars. Who are these people? Maybe people who lost a job, maybe people who just do a little bit of work, the retired, housewives. Potentially lazy bastards who don't do much work either. Anyway, they don't pay much in taxes. This is an average of $131 in income tax.

The highest percentage of total tax payed goes to the $100,000 to $200,000 a year. 24.5% of their income. The really rich are at 6.2%which is higher than those who earn less than $50,000 a year.

But still, lots of people pay this tax.

Those in the $100,000 to $200,000 tax bracket pay more than those who earn half a million or more. Okay, there's a lot more people in the former than the latter, but still, they pay a lot of tax.

In other words, people do pay a lot of this tax for wars. Most federal income comes from individuals.

So, yes, the rich are paying for wars, but so are most other people. Yes, some people don't pay income tax. Why would they? They don't work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Correct, this is a blog and people voice their opinions which is what a forum is all about. However, it's not forcing it down our throats.

What I mean by forcing it down our throats are regulations such as what DumBama put in place that will increase my electric bill. Forcing it down our throats is what takes place at my work where environmental regulations cost my company tens of thousands of dollars more to purchase equipment and supply fuel. Forcing it down our throats are environmental regulations on our gasoline and cars that we purchase which costs us much more than without them.

Okay, I understand.

You don't want environmental regulations.

Saying that I don't want war forced down my throat, paying loads of money to pay for unjust and immoral wars.

Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

The war could end up costing $6 trillion. How much of that would a normal person have to pay for?

I also don't want to have to pay double for healthcare, but that's generally thrust down my throat too, what with private insurance companies on the take, hospitals on the take, pharma companies and doctors on the take too. Corruption is massive.

Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually

"
Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually"

I don't want to have to pay for the extra costs of prisoners in the US prison system.

Bureau of Justice Statistics table about trend expenditures on criminal justice in the United States by function.

$74 billion in 2007 and the $212 billion that goes on the police and so on, how much of this is unnecessary and is there before not enough is being spent in other areas, including on mental health issues etc?

So, it can work both ways.

http://www.rff.org/files/sharepoint/WorkImages/Download/RFF-DP-03-06.pdf

They estimate that 2% of GDP is spent on environmental protection. That's 2% of 17 trillion dollars. 340 billion.

So, that's slightly more than the corruption in the healthcare system.

It's less than the cost of the Iraq war, by a long, long, long way. It's a third the size of social security, slightly more than net interest, a lot less than defense spending, etc etc.

The thing is, Obama campaigned on the environment and he won. So, it suggests that people are interested in saving their own environment.

Which then begs the question, where does the govt spend and where doesn't it spend? On issues that all of the people are happy to spend? On the issues that those who campaign and then get elected want to spend? How?

Staying out of your life is almost impossible, as I showed with some examples.

So let's have some numbers here:

What did you have to pay towards the Iraq war? Where did you send the check to? Because I can tell you the thousands of dollars Commie Care cost me and where it went.

If you don't want to pay double for healthcare, then don't get any healthcare. Don't buy insurance. What did you pay dollars and cents for healthcare because (as you claim) it's double of what it's supposed to be?

Fraud and corruption? Do you know how many billions it costs taxpayers a year in fraud and corruption in our government systems such as Medicare, Medicaid and the VA????

340 billion in environmental costs? Are you crazy? I bet we transportation companies pay twice that alone in increased diesel fuel costs since the regulation of lower sulfur diesel fuel came about over ten years ago. Since that time, diesel fuel hovered around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and tractor-trailers get around 6 MPH. Straight trucks around 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel fuel was always much cheaper than gasoline.

It's impossible to calculate environmental costs because they are included in the price of our goods and services. Every single thing you buy today had an intrinsic environmental cost to it.

Every year people are paying for the Iraq War, and will be doing so for the next 50 years or so. The "check" came out of pay checks. You think the war just came free? No, it was paid for by taxes.

Healthcare is essential. Not paying for healthcare might cost you even more money. The reality is with private healthcare you end up paying for the corruption in order to get something that is essential to your life. Great huh?

I doubt that transportation companies pay 4% of GDP in increased fuel costs.

Yes, it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in dollars and it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in the damage that we're doing to the world.

Sea-lions are dying because we're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like crazies.

But then people are more concerned with making money than they are about the environment around them.

If you even earn a paycheck, why don't you try taking a look at it sometime?

Not one penny goes to any wars. Your paycheck deductions are Social Security, FICA which is another fancy name for SS, Medicare, state and local taxes. WTF are any funds going to war?

Payment for wars (as with most federal things) comes out of income tax; the same income tax nearly half of Americans don't pay. More than likely, it's not costing you a dime. Those evil rich people are paying for it, so that should make you happy.

Again, environmental costs are hidden. Besides what we pay in fuel, all trucks manufactured after 2010 have to use Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short.

DEF is a separate container that squirts fluid into the exhaust pipes supposedly making exhaust cleaner. It has to be refilled once every two weeks or more depending on how many miles you drive. Another added environmental cost that solves nothing. This is beside the fact that trucks cost anywhere between 10k and 20k more than they did ten years ago before environmental regulations. And my experience (which is backed up by diesel mechanics) is that 90% of truck breakdowns (which happen frequently) are because of some environmental gadget going haywire. That means the company or driver has to bring the unit in for service, get a rental for however long it takes to figure out the problem, and drive all the way back to return the rental once the original unit is repaired. Then of course, pay the expensive bill to fix the damn thing.

You think I don't work? Whatever rocks you boat I suppose. I'm not going to tell you about my life, this is about politics.

However, what happens to social security money that gets taken from pay checks and doesn't get spent on social security? Oh, it ends up being spent by the US federal govt for things like WARS.

How Much Money Does The US Government Owe The Social Security Trust Fund?

"However, instead of cash, these two trust funds have IOUs from the US government. All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government". So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending. "

Income tax isn't paid by however many people.

Well 19.4% of people are 14 years old or under.
14.5% are over the age of 65. So that's already 35% of people who (often) don't work and pay income tax.

So your "nearly half" figure doesn't really take into account that 35% of those 47% wouldn't work anyway.

How many people don't pay income taxes?

The IRS report (the excel sheet can be downloaded) says there are 10 million people who earn between $1 and $5,000 dollars. Who are these people? Maybe people who lost a job, maybe people who just do a little bit of work, the retired, housewives. Potentially lazy bastards who don't do much work either. Anyway, they don't pay much in taxes. This is an average of $131 in income tax.

The highest percentage of total tax payed goes to the $100,000 to $200,000 a year. 24.5% of their income. The really rich are at 6.2%which is higher than those who earn less than $50,000 a year.

But still, lots of people pay this tax.

Those in the $100,000 to $200,000 tax bracket pay more than those who earn half a million or more. Okay, there's a lot more people in the former than the latter, but still, they pay a lot of tax.

In other words, people do pay a lot of this tax for wars. Most federal income comes from individuals.

So, yes, the rich are paying for wars, but so are most other people. Yes, some people don't pay income tax. Why would they? They don't work.

No, borrowed money does not mean you pay out of your paycheck. You will still get SS (the same amount as if we never borrowed a dime) payments regardless, so no, you're not paying anything towards wars. And if fact, if you retire at the age of 65 and live until the average lifespan in the US, you will get much more than you put into SS or Medicare.

Income taxes are measured by households, not individuals regardless what your Soapbox blog says:

Data: 45 Percent of Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Tax

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/?_r=0

 

[frigidweirdo]

Okay, I understand.

You don't want environmental regulations.

Saying that I don't want war forced down my throat, paying loads of money to pay for unjust and immoral wars.

Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

The war could end up costing $6 trillion. How much of that would a normal person have to pay for?

I also don't want to have to pay double for healthcare, but that's generally thrust down my throat too, what with private insurance companies on the take, hospitals on the take, pharma companies and doctors on the take too. Corruption is massive.

Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually

"
Corruption, fraud and bureaucracy cost US healthcare system up to $272 billion annually"

I don't want to have to pay for the extra costs of prisoners in the US prison system.

Bureau of Justice Statistics table about trend expenditures on criminal justice in the United States by function.

$74 billion in 2007 and the $212 billion that goes on the police and so on, how much of this is unnecessary and is there before not enough is being spent in other areas, including on mental health issues etc?

So, it can work both ways.

http://www.rff.org/files/sharepoint/WorkImages/Download/RFF-DP-03-06.pdf

They estimate that 2% of GDP is spent on environmental protection. That's 2% of 17 trillion dollars. 340 billion.

So, that's slightly more than the corruption in the healthcare system.

It's less than the cost of the Iraq war, by a long, long, long way. It's a third the size of social security, slightly more than net interest, a lot less than defense spending, etc etc.

The thing is, Obama campaigned on the environment and he won. So, it suggests that people are interested in saving their own environment.

Which then begs the question, where does the govt spend and where doesn't it spend? On issues that all of the people are happy to spend? On the issues that those who campaign and then get elected want to spend? How?

Staying out of your life is almost impossible, as I showed with some examples.

So let's have some numbers here:

What did you have to pay towards the Iraq war? Where did you send the check to? Because I can tell you the thousands of dollars Commie Care cost me and where it went.

If you don't want to pay double for healthcare, then don't get any healthcare. Don't buy insurance. What did you pay dollars and cents for healthcare because (as you claim) it's double of what it's supposed to be?

Fraud and corruption? Do you know how many billions it costs taxpayers a year in fraud and corruption in our government systems such as Medicare, Medicaid and the VA????

340 billion in environmental costs? Are you crazy? I bet we transportation companies pay twice that alone in increased diesel fuel costs since the regulation of lower sulfur diesel fuel came about over ten years ago. Since that time, diesel fuel hovered around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and tractor-trailers get around 6 MPH. Straight trucks around 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel fuel was always much cheaper than gasoline.

It's impossible to calculate environmental costs because they are included in the price of our goods and services. Every single thing you buy today had an intrinsic environmental cost to it.

Every year people are paying for the Iraq War, and will be doing so for the next 50 years or so. The "check" came out of pay checks. You think the war just came free? No, it was paid for by taxes.

Healthcare is essential. Not paying for healthcare might cost you even more money. The reality is with private healthcare you end up paying for the corruption in order to get something that is essential to your life. Great huh?

I doubt that transportation companies pay 4% of GDP in increased fuel costs.

Yes, it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in dollars and it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in the damage that we're doing to the world.

Sea-lions are dying because we're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like crazies.

But then people are more concerned with making money than they are about the environment around them.

If you even earn a paycheck, why don't you try taking a look at it sometime?

Not one penny goes to any wars. Your paycheck deductions are Social Security, FICA which is another fancy name for SS, Medicare, state and local taxes. WTF are any funds going to war?

Payment for wars (as with most federal things) comes out of income tax; the same income tax nearly half of Americans don't pay. More than likely, it's not costing you a dime. Those evil rich people are paying for it, so that should make you happy.

Again, environmental costs are hidden. Besides what we pay in fuel, all trucks manufactured after 2010 have to use Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short.

DEF is a separate container that squirts fluid into the exhaust pipes supposedly making exhaust cleaner. It has to be refilled once every two weeks or more depending on how many miles you drive. Another added environmental cost that solves nothing. This is beside the fact that trucks cost anywhere between 10k and 20k more than they did ten years ago before environmental regulations. And my experience (which is backed up by diesel mechanics) is that 90% of truck breakdowns (which happen frequently) are because of some environmental gadget going haywire. That means the company or driver has to bring the unit in for service, get a rental for however long it takes to figure out the problem, and drive all the way back to return the rental once the original unit is repaired. Then of course, pay the expensive bill to fix the damn thing.

You think I don't work? Whatever rocks you boat I suppose. I'm not going to tell you about my life, this is about politics.

However, what happens to social security money that gets taken from pay checks and doesn't get spent on social security? Oh, it ends up being spent by the US federal govt for things like WARS.

How Much Money Does The US Government Owe The Social Security Trust Fund?

"However, instead of cash, these two trust funds have IOUs from the US government. All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government". So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending. "

Income tax isn't paid by however many people.

Well 19.4% of people are 14 years old or under.
14.5% are over the age of 65. So that's already 35% of people who (often) don't work and pay income tax.

So your "nearly half" figure doesn't really take into account that 35% of those 47% wouldn't work anyway.

How many people don't pay income taxes?

The IRS report (the excel sheet can be downloaded) says there are 10 million people who earn between $1 and $5,000 dollars. Who are these people? Maybe people who lost a job, maybe people who just do a little bit of work, the retired, housewives. Potentially lazy bastards who don't do much work either. Anyway, they don't pay much in taxes. This is an average of $131 in income tax.

The highest percentage of total tax payed goes to the $100,000 to $200,000 a year. 24.5% of their income. The really rich are at 6.2%which is higher than those who earn less than $50,000 a year.

But still, lots of people pay this tax.

Those in the $100,000 to $200,000 tax bracket pay more than those who earn half a million or more. Okay, there's a lot more people in the former than the latter, but still, they pay a lot of tax.

In other words, people do pay a lot of this tax for wars. Most federal income comes from individuals.

So, yes, the rich are paying for wars, but so are most other people. Yes, some people don't pay income tax. Why would they? They don't work.

No, borrowed money does not mean you pay out of your paycheck. You will still get SS (the same amount as if we never borrowed a dime) payments regardless, so no, you're not paying anything towards wars. And if fact, if you retire at the age of 65 and live until the average lifespan in the US, you will get much more than you put into SS or Medicare.

Income taxes are measured by households, not individuals regardless what your Soapbox blog says:

Data: 45 Percent of Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Tax


View attachment 64687

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/?_r=0

And if you die at 65 or younger, then what?

The point being you put money into a pot, the pot gets money taken out of it for older people. You could see it as putting money in and it stays there until you retire, the reality is not exactly like that.

Also, it doesn't matter whether income taxes are measured by household or individual.

Your article says half the people who don't pay income tax don't pay because they've got no taxable income, and the others because they get tax breaks.

As for the super rich paying 23 of their income, I call that bullshit.

The IRA says those who earn over $10 million pay 6.2% at the highest figure. What they do pay is 26.3% of TAXABLE INCOME, so, most of their income ISN'T TAXABLE.

Also, your chart.

The top 0.1% has 3,000 non-paying filers. this is supposedly 0.0% of the number of people who file. There are only 8,000 people filing who earn more than $10 million. Only 14,000 who earn more than $5 million. So, 3,000 not filing seems like a lot more than 0.0%, or am I reading something wrong here?

 

[FA_Q2]

So let's have some numbers here:

What did you have to pay towards the Iraq war? Where did you send the check to? Because I can tell you the thousands of dollars Commie Care cost me and where it went.

If you don't want to pay double for healthcare, then don't get any healthcare. Don't buy insurance. What did you pay dollars and cents for healthcare because (as you claim) it's double of what it's supposed to be?

Fraud and corruption? Do you know how many billions it costs taxpayers a year in fraud and corruption in our government systems such as Medicare, Medicaid and the VA????

340 billion in environmental costs? Are you crazy? I bet we transportation companies pay twice that alone in increased diesel fuel costs since the regulation of lower sulfur diesel fuel came about over ten years ago. Since that time, diesel fuel hovered around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and tractor-trailers get around 6 MPH. Straight trucks around 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel fuel was always much cheaper than gasoline.

It's impossible to calculate environmental costs because they are included in the price of our goods and services. Every single thing you buy today had an intrinsic environmental cost to it.

Every year people are paying for the Iraq War, and will be doing so for the next 50 years or so. The "check" came out of pay checks. You think the war just came free? No, it was paid for by taxes.

Healthcare is essential. Not paying for healthcare might cost you even more money. The reality is with private healthcare you end up paying for the corruption in order to get something that is essential to your life. Great huh?

I doubt that transportation companies pay 4% of GDP in increased fuel costs.

Yes, it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in dollars and it's impossible to calculate the environmental costs in the damage that we're doing to the world.

Sea-lions are dying because we're pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like crazies.

But then people are more concerned with making money than they are about the environment around them.

If you even earn a paycheck, why don't you try taking a look at it sometime?

Not one penny goes to any wars. Your paycheck deductions are Social Security, FICA which is another fancy name for SS, Medicare, state and local taxes. WTF are any funds going to war?

Payment for wars (as with most federal things) comes out of income tax; the same income tax nearly half of Americans don't pay. More than likely, it's not costing you a dime. Those evil rich people are paying for it, so that should make you happy.

Again, environmental costs are hidden. Besides what we pay in fuel, all trucks manufactured after 2010 have to use Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short.

DEF is a separate container that squirts fluid into the exhaust pipes supposedly making exhaust cleaner. It has to be refilled once every two weeks or more depending on how many miles you drive. Another added environmental cost that solves nothing. This is beside the fact that trucks cost anywhere between 10k and 20k more than they did ten years ago before environmental regulations. And my experience (which is backed up by diesel mechanics) is that 90% of truck breakdowns (which happen frequently) are because of some environmental gadget going haywire. That means the company or driver has to bring the unit in for service, get a rental for however long it takes to figure out the problem, and drive all the way back to return the rental once the original unit is repaired. Then of course, pay the expensive bill to fix the damn thing.

You think I don't work? Whatever rocks you boat I suppose. I'm not going to tell you about my life, this is about politics.

However, what happens to social security money that gets taken from pay checks and doesn't get spent on social security? Oh, it ends up being spent by the US federal govt for things like WARS.

How Much Money Does The US Government Owe The Social Security Trust Fund?

"However, instead of cash, these two trust funds have IOUs from the US government. All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government". So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending. "

Income tax isn't paid by however many people.

Well 19.4% of people are 14 years old or under.
14.5% are over the age of 65. So that's already 35% of people who (often) don't work and pay income tax.

So your "nearly half" figure doesn't really take into account that 35% of those 47% wouldn't work anyway.

How many people don't pay income taxes?

The IRS report (the excel sheet can be downloaded) says there are 10 million people who earn between $1 and $5,000 dollars. Who are these people? Maybe people who lost a job, maybe people who just do a little bit of work, the retired, housewives. Potentially lazy bastards who don't do much work either. Anyway, they don't pay much in taxes. This is an average of $131 in income tax.

The highest percentage of total tax payed goes to the $100,000 to $200,000 a year. 24.5% of their income. The really rich are at 6.2%which is higher than those who earn less than $50,000 a year.

But still, lots of people pay this tax.

Those in the $100,000 to $200,000 tax bracket pay more than those who earn half a million or more. Okay, there's a lot more people in the former than the latter, but still, they pay a lot of tax.

In other words, people do pay a lot of this tax for wars. Most federal income comes from individuals.

So, yes, the rich are paying for wars, but so are most other people. Yes, some people don't pay income tax. Why would they? They don't work.

No, borrowed money does not mean you pay out of your paycheck. You will still get SS (the same amount as if we never borrowed a dime) payments regardless, so no, you're not paying anything towards wars. And if fact, if you retire at the age of 65 and live until the average lifespan in the US, you will get much more than you put into SS or Medicare.

Income taxes are measured by households, not individuals regardless what your Soapbox blog says:

Data: 45 Percent of Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Tax


View attachment 64687

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/?_r=0

And if you die at 65 or younger, then what?

The point being you put money into a pot, the pot gets money taken out of it for older people. You could see it as putting money in and it stays there until you retire, the reality is not exactly like that.

Also, it doesn't matter whether income taxes are measured by household or individual.

Your article says half the people who don't pay income tax don't pay because they've got no taxable income, and the others because they get tax breaks.

As for the super rich paying 23 of their income, I call that bullshit.

The IRA says those who earn over $10 million pay 6.2% at the highest figure. What they do pay is 26.3% of TAXABLE INCOME, so, most of their income ISN'T TAXABLE.

Also, your chart.

The top 0.1% has 3,000 non-paying filers. this is supposedly 0.0% of the number of people who file. There are only 8,000 people filing who earn more than $10 million. Only 14,000 who earn more than $5 million. So, 3,000 not filing seems like a lot more than 0.0%, or am I reading something wrong here?

If I read that correctly, it is referring to the percentage of the total non-payers that chunk represents. IOW, the 3000 non payers represent less than 0.1% of all the non-payers. The last number (2.3%) looks to be the percentage that the 3000 represents within that group. If my math holds then that means the total pool of people represented in that group is roughly 130,000 people.

That seems to be a bit low in general though depending on what the total pool is based off of - there are approximately 330 million people in the US and 175 million of those are between the ages of 20 and 59. The 0.1% then would represent about 320,000 people of the total or 175,000 of those that are in the 'tax paying' age.