Remember the H1N1 Pandemic? I Don’t Either

[jc456]

Some hoax.

Fascism starts with fear Olde one

~S~

So do reasonable reactions to danger, Sparkster.

And still >than 20,000 have died of the flu. And that’s irrelevant to you. Can’t make it up

 

[sparky]

Some hoax.

Fascism starts with fear Olde one

~S~

So do reasonable reactions to danger, Sparkster.

Coronavirus live updates: Italy overtakes China's death toll

this ^^^ does not warrant a national panic Olde One

i saw a LOT more than that serving locally during the swine flu

nobody insisted the gub'mit turn us into the United States of Russia

They have no RESPECT for the freedoms we enjoy

We can ....

~S~

 

[jc456]

Some hoax.

Fascism starts with fear Olde one

~S~

So do reasonable reactions to danger, Sparkster.

Coronavirus live updates: Italy overtakes China's death toll

this ^^^ does not warrant a national panic Olde One

i saw a LOT more than that serving locally during the swine flu

nobody insisted the gub'mit turn us into the United States of Russia

They have no RESPECT for the freedoms we enjoy

We can ....

~S~

Last time I looked we weren’t Italy

 

[Olde Europe]

Coronavirus live updates: Italy overtakes China's death toll

this ^^^ does not warrant a national panic Olde One

i saw a LOT more than that serving locally during the swine flu

nobody insisted the gub'mit turn us into the United States of Russia

They have no RESPECT for the freedoms we enjoy

We can ....

~S~

Oh, crap.

They have 3,405 dead. At about 60mn, that would amount to 18,000 U.S.-equivalent dead, considerably more dead than during the entire swine flu episode, and they are still in the early stages of corona, with a quickly rising death toll in a fraction of the time. Nope, Sparkster, you have seen nothing like that.

And no, guarding against a slide toward fascism does not make corona a "hoax", and imposing limitations temporarily for which there is a dire and reasonable medical need so as to "flatten the curve" and avoid overloading the healthcare system is not per se an indication of fascism. That's just conspiracy-theory-grade paranoid.

 

[jc456]

Coronavirus live updates: Italy overtakes China's death toll

this ^^^ does not warrant a national panic Olde One

i saw a LOT more than that serving locally during the swine flu

nobody insisted the gub'mit turn us into the United States of Russia

They have no RESPECT for the freedoms we enjoy

We can ....

~S~

Oh, crap.

They have 3,405 dead. At about 60mn, that would amount to 18,000 U.S.-equivalent dead, considerably more dead than during the entire swine flu episode, and they are still in the early stages of corona, with a quickly rising death toll in a fraction of the time. Nope, Sparkster, you have seen nothing like that.

And no, guarding against a slide toward fascism does not make corona a "hoax", and imposing limitations temporarily for which there is a dire and reasonable medical need so as to "flatten the curve" and avoid overloading the healthcare system is not per se an indication of fascism. That's just conspiracy-theory-grade paranoid.

So you think isolation isn’t working? Prove it

 

[Care4all]

Remember the H1N1 Pandemic? I Don’t Either​

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...nt_either.html
March 16, 2020 ~~ By Brian C.Joondeph, MD
America is in the grips of a panic the likes of which we haven’t seen before. What exactly is a pandemic, other than a scary sounding word from science fiction movies? According to WHO, “Pandemic refers to an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people.”
~~ snip ~~
Wuhan virus is not the first viral pandemic America has had to contend with. The last one was the H1N1 virus from 2009. How did America react to that last pandemic 10 years ago? Does anyone have more than a vague recollection of H1N1, also known as swine flu? No one will forget this current panic, but most have forgotten H1N1.
During the swine flu pandemic, were there mass cancellations of events including conferences, concerts, sporting events, and entire professional sports leagues? Did colleges cancel classes, finishing the remainder of their semesters online? Were travel restrictions imposed between America and Europe? Were panicked Americans hoarding everything from toilet paper to pasta?
~~ snip ~~
If these things happened during the swine flu pandemic, I certainly have no recollection. In 2009, congressional Democrat leaders weren’t criticizing the president, instead they were trying to force through a government takeover of healthcare, known as Obama-Care. Criticizing its namesake wasn’t in the media’s playbook and they all but ignored the swine flu.
What a difference a decade and a president makes.
~~ snip ~~
How did the media react in 2009? The NY Times praised Obama’s leadership. From a May 1, 2009 article,
A week after his administration first received word about a deadly flu spreading across Mexico, President Obama convened his cabinet on Friday and instructed every agency to play a role in preparing the United States for a pandemic.
The president’s comments came at the end of a week long balancing act in which his public words and actions were carefully measured to summon a sense of urgency without setting off a panic. It was no coincidence, his aides said, that he played golf the day his administration declared a national emergency.
Imagine if Trump played golf last week. I’m sure the media would just mention it in passing as an example of President Trump trying to avoid setting off a panic.
Otherwise the two presidents did much the same, convening their cabinets, creating a game plan, and insisting on interagency cooperation. Was media reaction the same? Hardly.
Good luck finding a description of Trump’s response to coronavirus from any newspaper or cable news show comparable to how they reported on Obama as he faced the swine flu pandemic. What a difference a president makes.
Swine flu came and went, leaving a far greater swath of destruction compared to the current coronavirus outbreak. The economic and societal disruption from the reaction to coronavirus is likely to be far worse to whatever damage the virus does. Yet the reactions are far different, flames of panic stoked by the media. Most don’t remember the swine flu pandemic but will certainly remember the current chaos.
What’s the difference? The occupant of the White House and an upcoming election. And ponder this timing. The WHO declared coronavirus a global health emergency within a week of President Trump’s impeachment acquittal in the Senate. Do you believe in coincidences?



Comment:
Anyone who is cogent with a memory that reaches back to 2009 would agree with Dr. Joondeph. The fact is that the Obama administration with the cooperating media downplayed the infectious virus until over one hundred fifty of thousand were infected and more than 5,000 died of the illness.
It will be a cold day in hell before those Communists apologize for their carelessness in allowing researchers to sell infected animals to be used in food or admit they created this thing as a bio weapon that got out of the lab. They will neither apologize for their complicity (which being the born liars they are have tried to pin blame on the US) or offer any sort of compensation to victims or countries that have been victimized by their stupidity. Tell me again why we have any kind of relationship with these people?
IMHO, if Trump were not in office, the American people would be as ignorant about the Wuhan Covid-19 as they were about H1N1. Swine flu.
We have, right now, a one in a million death rate from Wuhan Covid-19 and we are shutting down our society. We should be embarrassed that we can be panicked so easily. We didn't even panic buying during the Cuban missile crisis and those were nukes pointed at us. We've become a nation of Snowflakes triggered our own shadows.
The most terrifying aspect of this mass hysteria is the willingness for people to give up their freedoms and security to politicians that will take the opportunity to keep their controls.

Still defending the real Donald.
How can you compare the other viruses to a virus that you haven’t seen the damage yet? This one is gonna kill thousands and thousands in the USA.
And trump heard that and so did you, but you still don’t believe it. Can you say,
Irresponsible?

~~~~~~
Obviously the comparison is only with Chinese H1N1 virus the numbers of infected available are those only within the U.S. most RNA Covid viruses act in the same manner of infecting the host. The 2009 pandemic killed at least 12,500 Americans.
and infected 60 million...
This administration has been more proactive in addressing this out break far more efficiently than the former administration.That you cannot deny. Given the TDS of LSM and the dragging of feet by the Dem majority Congress, not withstanding their attempts to insert pork into the bills they offered, things are leveling out. Your derisive remarks do not help the issue.
There again that's standard for the Left....
BTW it appears that the release of the use of anti-viral medications will hopefully cut the recovering time and survival rates drastically. Funny as it is, many of these drugs were available during the Obama administration and were never employed.

That judgement is immature, we are only at the tip of the beginning of the cycle.... without extreme testing everyone, quarantining those who have it and separating them from their own families, then testing everyone again, and quarantining those people and separate them from their families, rinse and repeat, until the new cases slow to nil, like what S Korea did, this might go on for a really long time.... let's pray it doesn't!

both China and south Korea were on top of this, though S Korea's way was less disruptive... their economy stayed afloat. people worked who were not sick, they set up homes for the quarantined, did not let them go home and self quarantine, and tested 10,000 people a day....

SKorea and China bought out all the tests and supplies early on too, for future production as well...n95 masks and protective gear for all of their healthcare workers.... for the next 3 months, the factory making them, delivers to them.... first come, first serve.... i suppose?

South Korea has actually had more cases per 1 million people than the US, you're confused by the perspective.

we do not know what our cases per million are, because we are not testing enough of the population to know yet....

 

[jc456]

Remember the H1N1 Pandemic? I Don’t Either​

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...nt_either.html
March 16, 2020 ~~ By Brian C.Joondeph, MD
America is in the grips of a panic the likes of which we haven’t seen before. What exactly is a pandemic, other than a scary sounding word from science fiction movies? According to WHO, “Pandemic refers to an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people.”
~~ snip ~~
Wuhan virus is not the first viral pandemic America has had to contend with. The last one was the H1N1 virus from 2009. How did America react to that last pandemic 10 years ago? Does anyone have more than a vague recollection of H1N1, also known as swine flu? No one will forget this current panic, but most have forgotten H1N1.
During the swine flu pandemic, were there mass cancellations of events including conferences, concerts, sporting events, and entire professional sports leagues? Did colleges cancel classes, finishing the remainder of their semesters online? Were travel restrictions imposed between America and Europe? Were panicked Americans hoarding everything from toilet paper to pasta?
~~ snip ~~
If these things happened during the swine flu pandemic, I certainly have no recollection. In 2009, congressional Democrat leaders weren’t criticizing the president, instead they were trying to force through a government takeover of healthcare, known as Obama-Care. Criticizing its namesake wasn’t in the media’s playbook and they all but ignored the swine flu.
What a difference a decade and a president makes.
~~ snip ~~
How did the media react in 2009? The NY Times praised Obama’s leadership. From a May 1, 2009 article,
A week after his administration first received word about a deadly flu spreading across Mexico, President Obama convened his cabinet on Friday and instructed every agency to play a role in preparing the United States for a pandemic.
The president’s comments came at the end of a week long balancing act in which his public words and actions were carefully measured to summon a sense of urgency without setting off a panic. It was no coincidence, his aides said, that he played golf the day his administration declared a national emergency.
Imagine if Trump played golf last week. I’m sure the media would just mention it in passing as an example of President Trump trying to avoid setting off a panic.
Otherwise the two presidents did much the same, convening their cabinets, creating a game plan, and insisting on interagency cooperation. Was media reaction the same? Hardly.
Good luck finding a description of Trump’s response to coronavirus from any newspaper or cable news show comparable to how they reported on Obama as he faced the swine flu pandemic. What a difference a president makes.
Swine flu came and went, leaving a far greater swath of destruction compared to the current coronavirus outbreak. The economic and societal disruption from the reaction to coronavirus is likely to be far worse to whatever damage the virus does. Yet the reactions are far different, flames of panic stoked by the media. Most don’t remember the swine flu pandemic but will certainly remember the current chaos.
What’s the difference? The occupant of the White House and an upcoming election. And ponder this timing. The WHO declared coronavirus a global health emergency within a week of President Trump’s impeachment acquittal in the Senate. Do you believe in coincidences?



Comment:
Anyone who is cogent with a memory that reaches back to 2009 would agree with Dr. Joondeph. The fact is that the Obama administration with the cooperating media downplayed the infectious virus until over one hundred fifty of thousand were infected and more than 5,000 died of the illness.
It will be a cold day in hell before those Communists apologize for their carelessness in allowing researchers to sell infected animals to be used in food or admit they created this thing as a bio weapon that got out of the lab. They will neither apologize for their complicity (which being the born liars they are have tried to pin blame on the US) or offer any sort of compensation to victims or countries that have been victimized by their stupidity. Tell me again why we have any kind of relationship with these people?
IMHO, if Trump were not in office, the American people would be as ignorant about the Wuhan Covid-19 as they were about H1N1. Swine flu.
We have, right now, a one in a million death rate from Wuhan Covid-19 and we are shutting down our society. We should be embarrassed that we can be panicked so easily. We didn't even panic buying during the Cuban missile crisis and those were nukes pointed at us. We've become a nation of Snowflakes triggered our own shadows.
The most terrifying aspect of this mass hysteria is the willingness for people to give up their freedoms and security to politicians that will take the opportunity to keep their controls.

Still defending the real Donald.
How can you compare the other viruses to a virus that you haven’t seen the damage yet? This one is gonna kill thousands and thousands in the USA.
And trump heard that and so did you, but you still don’t believe it. Can you say,
Irresponsible?

~~~~~~
Obviously the comparison is only with Chinese H1N1 virus the numbers of infected available are those only within the U.S. most RNA Covid viruses act in the same manner of infecting the host. The 2009 pandemic killed at least 12,500 Americans.
and infected 60 million...
This administration has been more proactive in addressing this out break far more efficiently than the former administration.That you cannot deny. Given the TDS of LSM and the dragging of feet by the Dem majority Congress, not withstanding their attempts to insert pork into the bills they offered, things are leveling out. Your derisive remarks do not help the issue.
There again that's standard for the Left....
BTW it appears that the release of the use of anti-viral medications will hopefully cut the recovering time and survival rates drastically. Funny as it is, many of these drugs were available during the Obama administration and were never employed.

That judgement is immature, we are only at the tip of the beginning of the cycle.... without extreme testing everyone, quarantining those who have it and separating them from their own families, then testing everyone again, and quarantining those people and separate them from their families, rinse and repeat, until the new cases slow to nil, like what S Korea did, this might go on for a really long time.... let's pray it doesn't!

both China and south Korea were on top of this, though S Korea's way was less disruptive... their economy stayed afloat. people worked who were not sick, they set up homes for the quarantined, did not let them go home and self quarantine, and tested 10,000 people a day....

SKorea and China bought out all the tests and supplies early on too, for future production as well...n95 masks and protective gear for all of their healthcare workers.... for the next 3 months, the factory making them, delivers to them.... first come, first serve.... i suppose?

South Korea has actually had more cases per 1 million people than the US, you're confused by the perspective.

we do not know what our cases per million are, because we are not testing enough of the population to know yet....

Exactly, we will never have that figure

 

[WEATHER53]

Dib's this will go down as the biggest hoax since Y2K

~S~

Media already rolling out the first round of excuses regarding “numbers low because not enough testing yet” while failing to inform us that 5,000 infected in a 2,000,000 city and 10,000 infected in a 4,000,000 city is Not “an alarming doubling of sick people” but rather a proportional staying the same
Now get to 10,0000 in a 500,000 city or 50,000 in a 4,000,000 city and Then you are having an alarming increase in the infection rate and number of people infected
That hasn’t happened yet so it’s causing the Media and Trump haters to scramble for excuses

 

[WEATHER53]

From the time they identified H1N1, how many people died in the first 30 days post identification?

 

[sparky]

An effective treatment for #Coronavirus #COVID-19 has been found in a common anti-malarial drug




cheers!


~S~

 

[JoeB131]

It is worth it to these Leftists to do all these extreme measures (shutting down everything) even if they have no idea how effective they are and even if the economy completely tanks. They don't think logically. Did that help

Since Trump will rightfully get the blame, it doesn't matter.

Frankly, I think shutting down everything is an overreaction. We wouldn't be here if Trump had taken this seriously three months ago when they breifed him on how serious this would be.

 

[JoeB131]

Did we ever have national emergency for the common flu?

If what you saying is true, why did we have emergency for H1N1?

Because Obama, unlike Trump, knew what he was doing.

 

[JoeB131]

So Obama had a vaccine and let about 18000 people die and Trump has no vaccine and less than 200 dead. Then you say Trump handled it wrong and Obama did it right? Thanks for proving you're a total idiot.

Obama didn't let 18000 die. Those people died because they didn't get vaccinations, or ignored warnings, or just had the bad luck to have other co-morbidities.

Yes, I'm saying Trump fucked this up completely, that's becoming more obvious every day... you think we are going to top out at 200? You are delusional.

Entire economy shut down for 6 weeks because Trump panicked.

 

[JoeB131]

[qutpt

We accept all kinds of fatalities all the time. 100+ Americans die on our highways every DAY in car accidents. We're still driving.

Sour Sue, you missed the memo. It's moved from "This is all a Hoax" to "It's totally China's fault for not being white people!"

Try to keep up with what you are being told to think, okay.

 

[JoeB131]

Today, you try to claim he didn't do enough because Trump has mismanaged the Covid-19 situation so badly.

The best way to deal with this JoeB131 is Trump re-election in 2020 and more Pubs in the House. Does that make you gag? The sicker you get over it, the better it is for America.

This way, the USG is unified to fight COVID-19 and run the government response to strenghthen its health care system. This is a national emergency because the virus has gotten smarter in order for it to spread and come again. More deadlier, too.

The best thing we could do is declare Trump incompetent and remove him. But the GOP won't do that, so he'll crash the economy and thousands of people will die.

Then the American people will ERASE the GOP once and for all, and good riddance.

 

[sparky]

"It's totally China's fault for not being white people!"

~S~

 

[sparky]

The best thing we could do is declare Trump incompetent and remove him. But the GOP won't do that, so he'll crash the economy and thousands of people will die.

Maybe it's all a diversion for an economy that was going in the dumper anyways Joe

~S~

 

[gipper]

Today, you try to claim he didn't do enough because Trump has mismanaged the Covid-19 situation so badly.

The best way to deal with this JoeB131 is Trump re-election in 2020 and more Pubs in the House. Does that make you gag? The sicker you get over it, the better it is for America.

This way, the USG is unified to fight COVID-19 and run the government response to strenghthen its health care system. This is a national emergency because the virus has gotten smarter in order for it to spread and come again. More deadlier, too.

The best thing we could do is declare Trump incompetent and remove him. But the GOP won't do that, so he'll crash the economy and thousands of people will die.

Then the American people will ERASE the GOP once and for all, and good riddance.

 

[SweetSue92]

[qutpt

We accept all kinds of fatalities all the time. 100+ Americans die on our highways every DAY in car accidents. We're still driving.

Sour Sue, you missed the memo. It's moved from "This is all a Hoax" to "It's totally China's fault for not being white people!"

Try to keep up with what you are being told to think, okay.

You try to sound smart Joe, but don't realize how badly you fail

 

[JoeB131]

You try to sound smart Joe, but don't realize how badly you fail

Yet still living in your head, you racist twat.

So you've decided you hate the Chinese more than the Muslims now? .