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Seems Greenland is showing changes, as well-
Despite fears that global warming is harming the Arctic region faster than the rest of the world, Greenland is defying climate scientists and currently growing at its fastest rate in four years.
The Danish Meteorological Institute reports that Greenland’s ice sheet has seen more growth so far this year than in the last four years. Greenland’s growth in 2015 is also higher than the mean growth for 1990 to 2011.
http://edmondsbeacon.villagesoup.com/p/not-so-green-greenland-exposed/1436478
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
Read more at http://scienceblog.com/118318/nasa-...heet-greater-than-losses/#SKiOziTchALm7HEw.99
Coincidence this comes out after subpoena of documents? Hmmmm
I hope no one missed the point that increased discharge - which was not disputed - is what is raising the Earth's sea level.
You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
What happened after 1999?You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
Read more at http://scienceblog.com/118318/nasa-...heet-greater-than-losses/#SKiOziTchALm7HEw.99
Coincidence this comes out after subpoena of documents? Hmmmm
I hope no one missed the point that increased discharge - which was not disputed - is what is raising the Earth's sea level.
We look at the fact not who said it, doofus. That is the thinking of acolytes and dumbasses, not rational thinkersI'm not sure why the deniers think this study is some sort of vindication of their paranoid conspiracy theories and discredited suckass science. All the normal people just see this as science working like it normally does. There are disagreements, which eventually are worked out.
What this study doesn't say a word about is temperatures (still rising) or sea levels (still increasing). As author Zwally said.
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-mass-gains-antarctic-ice-sheet.html
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"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said. "But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."
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And Zwally agrees the trend is for more warming and more melt in Antarctica
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But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years—I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
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So, deniers, make up your minds. Do you endorse all that is Zwally, in which case you have to accept those statements, or do you denounce Zwally?
Er, the ice gained because of global warming...Denier!!!
We have consensus!!
I know what it is! I've finally figured it out.
The warmer it becomes the more snow is generated!
Right?
You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
I know what it is! I've finally figured it out.
The warmer it becomes the more snow is generated!
Right?
You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
And Crick chooses a highly adjusted data set to show his warming, ending in 1998 (nice cherry picked pile of crap) while the Satellites say nope!
Which set to believe.. The one adjusted multiple times, cherry picked and covers but 31% of the earth or the one that has not been adjusted, is current and covers 94% of the earth...
Crick loses again...
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actually that is true.I know what it is! I've finally figured it out.
The warmer it becomes the more snow is generated!
Right?
well, technically, ice did melt, and then it snowed and turned to new ice and maintained the balance. That's what happened.lol.......more AGW k00k losing.
These bozo's have been telling us for two decades that the ice is disappearing!!
You know that whole mantra.........if you say it enough, people will believe it as truth!!
ghey
You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
that's like 25 years.You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
if you start the chart in 1970, it's perfectly flat -- no warming
You dont get it... the ocean circulation was warm which caused the interior to warm. That has now changed by empirical evidence. this caused an increase in snow and ice creation, funny how the earth does that to maintain balance. There has been no step warming, only cyclical natural variation change due to ocean circulations as we see that warming is now gone and no step increase is seen..http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151030220523.htm
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica -- there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." Zwally added that his team "measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas."
Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.
But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica's growth to reverse, according to Zwally. "If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they've been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don't think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses."
Two differant methods of measurement and two differant results. So we need some field work to resolve the differances In the meantime, note that both speak of the increased temperatures increasing snowfall in the interior. How does that fit in your nonsense about cooling?
Where do you get "warming is gone"?
and
Table 1. Annual and mean-monthly trends* in surface temperatures over Antarctica
---------JAN--FEB--MAR--APR--MAY--JUN--JUL--AUG--SEP--OCT--NOV--DEC--ANN
Trend 1.04 1.37 0.11 -0.25 -1.34 3.81 4.47 3.31 2.47 0.81 1.17 1.37 1.53
t-test -1.15 -0.32 -0.73 -0.64 -1.57 -0.26 -0.47 0.16 -0.77 0.20 0.30 -0.68 -1.07
*Calculated over 1975-99 and expressed as C per 100 years, along with
significance represented as a standard deviation.
[Note that ten out of 12 months have a positive trend.]
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/graphics/temp_series.jpg
And Crick chooses a highly adjusted data set to show his warming, ending in 1998 (nice cherry picked pile of crap) while the Satellites say nope!
Which set to believe.. The one adjusted multiple times, cherry picked and covers but 31% of the earth or the one that has not been adjusted, is current and covers 94% of the earth...
Crick loses again...
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