Snopes: Trump appointee said 'competent white men' must be in charge for 'things to work'

[pknopp]

No one said that it does. Just that the white person was unjustly discriminated against.





Correct. NO one is claming otherwise.

But, the decision was made against the white person, becasue he is white.

Thus, he was discriminated against. He suffered a real harm because of "dei" or "diversity".


This is a simple point. I am interested to hear how you justify it, as part of your support of dei and diversity.

I never said I supported anything. I said people were lying when they claimed the minority that was hired was unqualified.

 

[Correll]

I never said I supported anything. I said people were lying when they claimed the minority that was hired was unqualified.

There have been examples of dei leading to lowering standards or passing over more qualified whites. Or an unqualified minorities being hired.


But that is not required for discrimination to take place.


In your scenario, the white guy applying for the job had equal qualifications for the job. At that point, to be fair, it should basically be a coin toss, the white guy should have a 50/50 shot at the job.


But YOU crafted the scenario, so that the government forced the hiring of the not white guy, based on him being NOT WHITE.


That is the white guy being fucked by a racist government policy.

That job could have been the difference between him managing to hold his family together or his wife leaving him.


Losing a job, is a real harm being inflicted. And your scenario, is a real policy.


And actually, I think you are being very generious to the policy, I think that the bias in favor of the non white guy is a lot more aggressive than you presented.


When I was in management, and transferring to another facility, and upper management wanted to fill my position with a minority to make management more diverse, they didn't even consider any of the white candidates.

No thought was given to how qualifed they were or were not.


They only asked about the black candidates. They hired a black woman and she was fired in weeks. (admittedly not because of lack of qualifications, but because upper management was completely unreasonable. But, dealing with that was unfortunately an off the book requirement of the job, and I knew that which is why I did not recommend that woman.)

 

[drudge X]

While I believe Obama failed...................

Eight years 9 trillion in debt.

Trump.

4 years, 7.8 trillion in debt.

I would argue that blacks are certainly no worse than white's in running the country.

Not what I meant.
How many black and Hispanic run countries are First World status?

 

[pknopp]

There have been examples of dei leading to lowering standards or passing over more qualified whites. Or an unqualified minorities being hired.


But that is not required for discrimination to take place.


In your scenario, the white guy applying for the job had equal qualifications for the job. At that point, to be fair, it should basically be a coin toss, the white guy should have a 50/50 shot at the job.


But YOU crafted the scenario, so that the government forced the hiring of the not white guy, based on him being NOT WHITE.


That is the white guy being fucked by a racist government policy.

That job could have been the difference between him managing to hold his family together or his wife leaving him.


Losing a job, is a real harm being inflicted. And your scenario, is a real policy.


And actually, I think you are being very generious to the policy, I think that the bias in favor of the non white guy is a lot more aggressive than you presented.

Maybe but here is the problem. I can not trust either side in their words.

When I was in management, and transferring to another facility, and upper management wanted to fill my position with a minority to make management more diverse, they didn't even consider any of the white candidates.

No thought was given to how qualifed they were or were not.


They only asked about the black candidates. They hired a black woman and she was fired in weeks. (admittedly not because of lack of qualifications, but because upper management was completely unreasonable. But, dealing with that was unfortunately an off the book requirement of the job, and I knew that which is why I did not recommend that woman.)

People over politics and management.

 

[pknopp]

Not what I meant.
How many black and Hispanic run countries are First World status?

All through history.

 

[drudge X]

All through history.

Great. List one black and Hispanic country that is First World. List one country with technological advancements comparable with S. Korea or Japan. Wakanda is probably your best bet if you can locate it on the map.

 

[pknopp]

Great. List one black and Hispanic country that is First World. List one country with technological advancements comparable with S. Korea or Japan. Wakanda is probably your best bet if you can locate it on the map.

Much of the middle east is not run by white's but that is where Jesus was from so we pretend they are.

 

[Correll]

Maybe but here is the problem. I can not trust either side in their words.




People over politics and management.

You are stonewalling now. My point about the unfairness and the harm caused by the policy you are supporting,

is real.


Your refusal to address it, is your inability to defend your policy position.

 

[Delldude]

Exc

I'm saying it is understandable under certain conditions.

Except when JD Vance doesn't get upset over a kids social media comment.

 

[pknopp]

You are stonewalling now. My point about the unfairness and the harm caused by the policy you are supporting,

is real.

It's addressing a previous harm.

Your refusal to address it, is your inability to defend your policy position.

A black never did it to anyone. The white administration did.

 

[Correll]

It's addressing a previous harm.

So, to be clear, you admit the unfairness and the harm to the white guy in question, but you support it, because it is "addressing" a "previous harm".

A black never did it to anyone. The white administration did.

Well, the color of hte government was never established, nor do I think is important in this context.

The important fact is the POLICY we are discussing and what it does and it's results.


I see the harm, we both see the harm done to the white guy, and you support it and I oppose it.


I never blamed the black guy for anything. The people applying for a job normallyh are not responsible or in charge of the decision making process.


I clearly am blaming the policy and the government pushing it.


Your feeling that you needed to defnd the black guy, is very strange. It suggests that you imagined a lot of...shit and projected it onto me and my argument.

 

[pknopp]

So, to be clear, you admit the unfairness and the harm to the white guy in question, but you support it, because it is "addressing" a "previous harm".

I'm explaining why it was done. I do not have the answers to racism sadly.

 

[Correll]

I'm explaining why it was done. I do not have the answers to racism sadly.

But you are happy to punish teh white guy, for something other people did.


That is unfair. It is morally wrong.


YOu support that policy and I oppose it.

 

[Delldude]

I'm explaining why it was done. I do not have the answers to racism sadly.

Nominate you for the forum racism Czar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Hi cheek bones.

You are pathetic and hilarious at the same time. My wife's blonde hair and fair skin is a dead giveaway that's she is Hispanic.

 

[drudge X]

Much of the middle east is not run by white's but that is where Jesus was from so we pretend they are.

Not the question. Just give me one First World black or Hispanic run country. This isn't a racist question but a question of honesty.

 

[OldFlame]

MAGA is no longer hiding their racism.

There it is again, a generalization (which is false) about all Trump supporters/voters. Care to link to a similar comment regarding all Biden supporters?

 

[pknopp]

There it is again, a generalization (which is false) about all Trump supporters/voters. Care to link to a similar comment regarding all Biden supporters?

No, I really can't.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are pathetic and hilarious at the same time. My wife's blonde hair and fair skin is a dead giveaway that's she is Hispanic.

Maybe an Albino Latina! You know there is a tribe in the Amazon of White Brazilian Indians. Not Albinos. Probably left over from Lehi's family known in the Book of Mormon...

 

[lennypartiv]

Much of the middle east is not run by white's but that is where Jesus was from so we pretend they are.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't white?