Something I don't understand...

[Ravi]

You sound like Pubic, Xeno.

Communism is an economic system. As such, there is nothing about it that is diametrically opposed to the USA.

Even if it were, so what? Why would you disallow some philosophical viewpoints and not others?

Theoretically communism and democracy could be compatible but in reality not so much.

Communism is too much of a commitment towards mediocracy. It is giving up on the human invention. It is a complete admission of and surrender to our weaknesses. For that it is morally wrong.

Name anything of significance invented in the USSR or Red CHINA.

They are poor examples of communism and not something I believe any American communists model themselves on.

As for the rest of your statement, here's an example.

Suppose we have a socialized health care system that means everyone is insured no matter what their job. This would actually give everyone the freedom to take any job they please. As it stands now, many people feel compelled to take jobs that give them health care bennies...thereby stifling their creative impulses.

 

[dilloduck]

You sound like Pubic, Xeno.

Communism is an economic system. As such, there is nothing about it that is diametrically opposed to the USA.

Even if it were, so what? Why would you disallow some philosophical viewpoints and not others?

Theoretically communism and democracy could be compatible but in reality not so much.

Communism is too much of a commitment towards mediocracy. It is giving up on the human invention. It is a complete admission of and surrender to our weaknesses. For that it is morally wrong.

Name anything of significance invented in the USSR or Red CHINA.

They are poor examples of communism and not something I believe any American communists model themselves on.

As for the rest of your statement, here's an example.

Suppose we have a socialized health care system that means everyone is insured no matter what their job. This would actually give everyone the freedom to take any job they please. As it stands now, many people feel compelled to take jobs that give them health care bennies...thereby stifling their creative impulses.

LOL that's one of your biggest stretches ever. How about all the people who don't feel compelled to hit a lick ? Free health care for them too ?

 

[Xenophon]

Ravi, you are confusing socialism with communism, they are not the same thing.

 

[HUGGY]

You sound like Pubic, Xeno.

Communism is an economic system. As such, there is nothing about it that is diametrically opposed to the USA.

Even if it were, so what? Why would you disallow some philosophical viewpoints and not others?

Theoretically communism and democracy could be compatible but in reality not so much.

Communism is too much of a commitment towards mediocracy. It is giving up on the human invention. It is a complete admission of and surrender to our weaknesses. For that it is morally wrong.

Name anything of significance invented in the USSR or Red CHINA.

They are poor examples of communism and not something I believe any American communists model themselves on.

As for the rest of your statement, here's an example.

Suppose we have a socialized health care system that means everyone is insured no matter what their job. This would actually give everyone the freedom to take any job they please. As it stands now, many people feel compelled to take jobs that give them health care bennies...thereby stifling their creative impulses.

Poor examples? welcome to reality Those are the only examples comparable to us size wise. Communism works fine in groups less than two hundred. It fails completely as applied by my examples.

What I believe you really want to discuss is socialism. We already have alot of it woven into the fabric of our democratic republic. examples: police,fire,water, utilities,SSI,medicare,VA..on and on... It works fine when applied as needed.

 

[Ravi]

Yes, I suppose I've gone off topic.

What I really want to know is why people that support relatively unpopular philosophies are witch hunted out of politics?

 

[dilloduck]

Yes, I suppose I've gone off topic.

What I really want to know is why people that support relatively unpopular philosophies are witch hunted out of politics?

Maybe because to become elected you have to say that you are support "popular" things ( something endorsed by republicans or democrats ).

 

[Xenophon]

Yes, I suppose I've gone off topic.

What I really want to know is why people that support relatively unpopular philosophies are witch hunted out of politics?

The violent nature of communism is what makes it so unpopular, the idea of focing it on people 'for their own good.'

This again is diametrically opposed to the USA system and viewpoint.

You are free to say and believe what you like here.

Under a communist sytem you are not, even voicing dissent could lead to imprisonment and even death, the state is all and the rights of man are meaningless, in fact you have no rights, the state decides all.

 

[ba1614]

Why is it that someone that thinks Communism is okay, or that was a Communist in their youth, is unAmerican? I always thought that Americans enjoyed freedom of expression.

Was I wrong? Should we forbid people that don't toe the party line, Democrat or Republican, from being in government?

That sounds fascist, IMO.

Thoughts?

The only thought I have is that it not likely surprises many people that you don't understand.

 

[Ravi]

Yes, I suppose I've gone off topic.

What I really want to know is why people that support relatively unpopular philosophies are witch hunted out of politics?

The violent nature of communism is what makes it so unpopular, the idea of focing it on people 'for their own good.'

This again is diametrically opposed to the USA system and viewpoint.

You are free to say and believe what you like here.

Under a communist sytem you are not, even voicing dissent could lead to imprisonment and even death, the state is all and the rights of man are meaningless, in fact you have no rights, the state decides all.

So in order to keep from becoming communists we must act like communists by disallowing people with alternative, though legal, viewpoints from working for the government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They won't have a chance of getting most government jobs (competitive pool) with that record as most require a security clearance.

Elected, and unfortunately, appointed positions do not require any clearance.

And, as there is this oath associatated with ALL appointments (elected and competitive), no they should not and will not have a job.

"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." (last line optional)

Communists cannot make such an oath; communism is not quite constitutional.

Being anti-abortion is not 'constitutional', given that at least the first trimester right to an abortion is protected by constitutional law.

Can a pro-lifer make such an oath?

 

[Ravi]

Why is it that someone that thinks Communism is okay, or that was a Communist in their youth, is unAmerican? I always thought that Americans enjoyed freedom of expression.

Was I wrong? Should we forbid people that don't toe the party line, Democrat or Republican, from being in government?

That sounds fascist, IMO.

Thoughts?

The only thought I have is that it not likely surprises many people that you don't understand.

I'm sorry to hear that the only thought in your head is about me.

 

[Ravi]

They won't have a chance of getting most government jobs (competitive pool) with that record as most require a security clearance.

Elected, and unfortunately, appointed positions do not require any clearance.

And, as there is this oath associatated with ALL appointments (elected and competitive), no they should not and will not have a job.

"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." (last line optional)

Communists cannot make such an oath; communism is not quite constitutional.

Being anti-abortion is not 'constitutional', given that at least the first trimester right to an abortion is protected by constitutional law.

Can a pro-lifer make such an oath?

eek! Let's not go down the abortion road.

I would think a theocrat would be a valid comparison. We had many of those holding public office and as government workers over the years. IMO, theocracy is even more anti American values than communism. Yet I also feel that these people have a right to be part of our government.

 

[Modbert]

Milwaukee has had three Socialist mayors in the last one hundred years, why do I not see Milwaukee burning down?

I see Vermont has elected a Socialist to the senate (that all Republicans seem to ignore since for example he just recently voted to expand gun rights) and yet Vermont is not worshipping the red flag/sickle and hammer.

Sewer Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1910 he became the first of two Socialists elected to the United States House of Representatives representing Wisconsin's 5th congressional district(The second was Meyer London of [[New York (state)|New York

Berger served the 5th district again from 1923 until 1929, and during his tenure introduced proposals for numerous programs that were subsequently adopted, such as old age pensions, unemployment insurance, and public housing.

Old Age Pensions! Unemployment Insurance! P-PUBLIC HOUSING! MY GOD!

In all actuality, the socialists were some of the best mayors the city has ever had. Ironic no?

 

[Newby]

Yes, I suppose I've gone off topic.

What I really want to know is why people that support relatively unpopular philosophies are witch hunted out of politics?

The violent nature of communism is what makes it so unpopular, the idea of focing it on people 'for their own good.'

This again is diametrically opposed to the USA system and viewpoint.

You are free to say and believe what you like here.

Under a communist sytem you are not, even voicing dissent could lead to imprisonment and even death, the state is all and the rights of man are meaningless, in fact you have no rights, the state decides all.

So in order to keep from becoming communists we must act like communists by disallowing people with alternative, though legal, viewpoints from working for the government.

Ah, another 'intellectual' thread by Ravi... how nice.

Why do you think you can make false statements, and then apparently base your entire belief system on those false statements. Did you skip over the posts where people have said directly to you that communism in not 'disallowed' here?

 

[Intense]

Why is it that someone that thinks Communism is okay, or that was a Communist in their youth, is unAmerican? I always thought that Americans enjoyed freedom of expression.

Was I wrong? Should we forbid people that don't toe the party line, Democrat or Republican, from being in government?

That sounds fascist, IMO.

Thoughts?

To me Personally, Communism represents a one way ticket to Totalitarianism. You have a choice in destroying Your Own Life, but no Others, against Their Will.

 

[Immanuel]

Vermont elected a Socialist to the Senate.

Many would say that the people elected a socialist the the Presidency last year.

I feel the jury is still out on that, but it does seem that the Democratic Party is promoting a socialistic agenda these days.

Immie

 

[Modbert]

My question is why do Republicans bother trying to chase Obama in trying to make him see like a Socialist while there is a Socialist already in Congress?

Why not show him your "awesome debating skills" and prove him wrong? Is it because Bernie Sanders would take any of the GOP to school in any such debate? Is it because the GOP is just bullshitting? Is it because they don't want to be outdone by a Socialist?

 

[Xenophon]

So in order to keep from becoming communists we must act like communists by disallowing people with alternative, though legal, viewpoints from working for the government.

If you are a communist you have no business being in government, in fact you are trying to overthrow said government.

 

[Modbert]

Many would say that the people elected a socialist the the Presidency last year.

I feel the jury is still out on that, but it does seem that the Democratic Party is promoting a socialistic agenda these days.

Immie

Really now? Socialistic Agenda?

To be promoting something, first off don't you have to be actually getting anything done?

I'll get back to you once the Dems actually start doing some things.

 

[Modbert]

If you are a communist you have no business being in government, in fact you are trying to overthrow said government.

The same would go for a NeoConservative where Abortion is legal, Gay Marriage is allowed, and a bunch of other Liberal positions then.

Yet they're allowed and elected. In fact, they make up plenty of the GOP today. Amazing isn't it?