The Fable of the siege.

[P F Tinmore]

Misleading on purpose is a lie.
Hamas was elected by Gaza in 2006..not by Palestine and not by the entire Palestinians.

You always believe Israel's lies.

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I'm talking about Gaza, and you are talking about Palestinians in general, anyway Hamas is a terrorist organization elected by -any- Palestinians is illegal act on its own, the lies you believe comes from the word of this people, so don't try to state all this situation is because of Mazen - another terrorist that made pact with Hamas.

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

 

[flacaltenn]

That is a good one. The PA in the West Bank is totally illegitimate.

that shows how far off the facts your opinions really are... Did you vote in that election?
You have a real reason why you support dysfunctional radical faction like Hamas over folks that have international recognition, respect, and a DUTY to negotiate for the sake of their people???

FYI I may support Israels right to thrive, but I'd never be arrogant enough to take sides in their internal political party wars....

That proves a point. There is no lie too big for Israel to pull off.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

I dont watch obviously biased crap.. If YOU want to take responsibility for using words like coup d etat, we can discuss that.. But I cant hold the producer of some highly charged YouTube vid for using exaggerated or erroneous rhetoric. But I can hold YOU responsible for that if you cantnexplain it to me.... Waste of time to sling the poo of others back and forth. Give me some sourced facts and explanation...

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

You always believe Israel's lies.

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I'm talking about Gaza, and you are talking about Palestinians in general, anyway Hamas is a terrorist organization elected by -any- Palestinians is illegal act on its own, the lies you believe comes from the word of this people, so don't try to state all this situation is because of Mazen - another terrorist that made pact with Hamas.

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas not only terrorizes Israel but also the Gazans. Hamas tortures and/or murders Gazans who speak out against them, and they also steal the goods that come over the crossing from Israel and sell them at vastly inflated profits. Gazans know not to complain if they value their safety.

 

[P F Tinmore]

that shows how far off the facts your opinions really are... Did you vote in that election?
You have a real reason why you support dysfunctional radical faction like Hamas over folks that have international recognition, respect, and a DUTY to negotiate for the sake of their people???

FYI I may support Israels right to thrive, but I'd never be arrogant enough to take sides in their internal political party wars....

That proves a point. There is no lie too big for Israel to pull off.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

I dont watch obviously biased crap.. If YOU want to take responsibility for using words like coup d etat, we can discuss that.. But I cant hold the producer of some highly charged YouTube vid for using exaggerated or erroneous rhetoric. But I can hold YOU responsible for that if you cantnexplain it to me.... Waste of time to sling the poo of others back and forth. Give me some sourced facts and explanation...

Are you implying that the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) is not a valid source?

I can provide different sources if you like.

 

[toastman]

Considering the given facts and you groundless accusations people tend to believe you're the liar Tinmore..

What lie is that?

Name one.

What have you lied about??

The list is too long to post.

 

[toastman]

You always believe Israel's lies.

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I'm talking about Gaza, and you are talking about Palestinians in general, anyway Hamas is a terrorist organization elected by -any- Palestinians is illegal act on its own, the lies you believe comes from the word of this people, so don't try to state all this situation is because of Mazen - another terrorist that made pact with Hamas.

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm talking about Gaza, and you are talking about Palestinians in general, anyway Hamas is a terrorist organization elected by -any- Palestinians is illegal act on its own, the lies you believe comes from the word of this people, so don't try to state all this situation is because of Mazen - another terrorist that made pact with Hamas.

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

It is based on political opinion not facts.

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

So, what's their gazabadian problem? A collective choice entails a collective responsibility for it, of course. Schmucky individuals call it "collective punishment". But it's their palistan-cheerleader occupation anyway.

 

[flacaltenn]

That proves a point. There is no lie too big for Israel to pull off.



I dont watch obviously biased crap.. If YOU want to take responsibility for using words like coup d etat, we can discuss that.. But I cant hold the producer of some highly charged YouTube vid for using exaggerated or erroneous rhetoric. But I can hold YOU responsible for that if you cantnexplain it to me.... Waste of time to sling the poo of others back and forth. Give me some sourced facts and explanation...

Are you implying that the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) is not a valid source?

I can provide different sources if you like.

Got nothing at all against CBC -- but that's an "opinion" piece, not hard analysis. And the RIGHT to dismiss the cabinet probably came when Hamas started to KILL Fatah in the Gaza strip.. No one instigated that very undemocratic action but the Hamas leadership.. Which is why the Hamas govt in Gaza fails to be widely recognized diplomatically.

Face it -- democracy is NOT one of the biggest Palestinian goals and values --- especially if you give democratic power to terrorists instead of diplomats.....

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected. They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

It is based on political opinion not facts.

Is that a hamass' political opinion?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you implying that the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) is not a valid source?

I can provide different sources if you like.

Got nothing at all against CBC -- but that's an "opinion" piece, not hard analysis. And the RIGHT to dismiss the cabinet probably came when Hamas started to KILL Fatah in the Gaza strip.. No one instigated that very undemocratic action but the Hamas leadership.. Which is why the Hamas govt in Gaza fails to be widely recognized diplomatically.

Face it -- democracy is NOT one of the biggest Palestinian goals and values --- especially if you give democratic power to terrorists instead of diplomats.....

Everything in that CBC report is fact. Here is a real time report from a journalist who was there at the time.

Relevant info @ 2:25 to 3:04 and 6:40 to 8:18

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJud3yXsqg]Laila El-Haddad reporting on Gaza violence - YouTube[/ame]

And there are other sources.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you implying that the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) is not a valid source?

I can provide different sources if you like.

Got nothing at all against CBC -- but that's an "opinion" piece, not hard analysis. And the RIGHT to dismiss the cabinet probably came when Hamas started to KILL Fatah in the Gaza strip.. No one instigated that very undemocratic action but the Hamas leadership.. Which is why the Hamas govt in Gaza fails to be widely recognized diplomatically.

Face it -- democracy is NOT one of the biggest Palestinian goals and values --- especially if you give democratic power to terrorists instead of diplomats.....

Actually, the president is authorized in their constitution to change the government at will. However, there are constitutional procedures that he must follow. Abbas has never followed these procedures therefor all of the governments in the West Bank since June of 2007 are illegitimate.

 

[toastman]

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

It is based on political opinion not facts.

It's a very good opinion.

 

[Daniyel]

Hamas are not terrorists in Palestine where they were elected.

They are only terrorists to the third grade name callers in the West.

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

It is based on political opinion not facts.

First of all its a fact, they are terrorist organization and no matter how you twist it, you can however say they are not terrorist organization in Iran but, we're not on IranMessageBoard.

Another point is Billo presence that's been missing, Billo said if there was no blockade at all and Israel was still under attack he would support Israel..
[MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] are you aware of 10 months with no blockade and dozen of rockets on Israel? this kind of opinion is also what Minister Bennet think - remove all type of Israeli involvement with Gaza, and respond very hard against every assault..

 

[fanger]

Israel is a zionist terror organization

 

[Daniyel]

In Bolivia maybe, but not even by the Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas is an Islamist terrorist organization. I don't know how you see that as third grade name calling.

It is based on political opinion not facts.

First of all its a fact, they are terrorist organization and no matter how you twist it, you can however say they are not terrorist organization in Iran but, we're not on IranMessageBoard.

Another point is Billo presence that's been missing, Billo said if there was no blockade at all and Israel was still under attack he would support Israel..
[MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] are you aware of 10 months with no blockade and dozen of rockets on Israel? this kind of opinion is also what Minister Bennet think - remove all type of Israeli involvement with Gaza, and respond very hard against every assault..

Horsepucky, define a terrorist organization. Then tell me how Hamas fits that definition.

When was there no siege for 10 months? Link?

 

[Daniyel]

Israeli disengagement from Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel completes Gaza withdrawal
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002?06 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of designated terrorist organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do your homework.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli disengagement from Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel completes Gaza withdrawal
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002?06 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do your homework.

Nice deflection.

Where does it say what you said?

BTW, "terrorism" from your link: Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the definition of the term terrorism.[1][2] Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions. Moreover, governments have been reluctant to formulate an agreed upon, legally binding definition. These difficulties arise from the fact that the term is politically and emotionally charged.[3]

Like I said. It is a political opinion.

 

[Daniyel]

Where does it said Israel did not place blockade over10 months pastthe Gaza withdrawal?
I don't understand what are you trying to say.. Its historical fact.
And for the terrorism - the definition of terrorists I'm referring to is the one of the US and Israel.. we're not in IranMessageBoard remember?