Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

Is it blind submission to obey and respect parents?
Is the parent who lies to their child, worthy of the child's respect?
To not steal, or lie? Precisely, what do you consider blind obedience? What is the violence you are speaking of?
One great difficulty of being religious is not coming to accept your bibles as just allegorical tales with a message. The child will eventually learn too that you don't buy into the impossible tales either.

We have established earlier that you don't! Are you going to try to go back now?
 
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Because God demands you to not just accept him in blind faith, but also to submit to him. Follow his rules without questioning anything because questioning will have horrible consequences. If you do not obey, God will punish you.
First, God asks, not that we accept Him blindly, but that we week and find Him. What are the horrible consequences you speak of? What are the rules you objecting to? How does God punish you?

From your vehemence, is it because of your experiences with God? Perhaps you can relate one or two?
 

Leviticus 19:9-18​

9 When you gather the harvest of your land, do not reap the corners of your field nor gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather all the grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the Lord, your God.

11.“You are not to steal, nor should you deceive nor lie to one another. Nor shall you swear a false oath by my name, nor shall you profane my name. I am your God, the Lord.

13. “You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor shall you rob him. You shall not keep the wages of the person you have hired all night, until the morning. 14.;You shall not curse the deaf, nor shall you put a stumbling block before the blind, for you shall fear your God. I am the Lord.

15“You shall not commit any injustice in judging the poor, nor shall you show partiality to the mighty. You shall judge your neighbor with righteousness. 16You are not to spread slander among your people, nor shall you act against the life of your neighbor. I am the Lord.

17“You shall not hate your brother in your heart, nor shall you rebuke your brother in any way, lest you bear sin because of him. You shall not seek vengeance nor bear a grudge against the children of your people. You shall love your neighbor as yourself.I am the Lord.


Isaiah 58:

This rather is the type of fast that I wish:
to loosen the fetters of injustice,
to undo the thongs of the yoke,
to set free those who are oppressed
and to break every yoke,
7 to share your bread with the hungry
and to offer shelter to the homeless poor,
to clothe the naked when you behold them
and not turn your back on your own kin.

8. Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your wound will quickly be healed;
your righteousness will go before you,
and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
9. Then, when you call, the Lord will answer;
you will cry out for help,
and he will say, “Here I am.”
If you cease to tolerate the yoke of oppression,
the pointing of fingers and malicious words,
10 if you offer your food to the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the afflicted,

then your light will rise in the darkness,
and your night will become like midday.


Mark 12:

30.You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31. The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Matthew 5:


The Beatitudes​

He said:

3“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4.Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5.Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6.Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7.Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8.Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9.Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
I enjoy reading these.....but:

Please articulate your point.



Would I be correct in guessing that you misunderstand the difference between charity based on free will, and imposed, forced, redistribution????
 
First, God asks, not that we accept Him blindly, but that we week and find Him. What are the horrible consequences you speak of? What are the rules you objecting to? How does God punish you?
I object to religion on all grounds: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. It is a philosophy of misery and suffering. Anti-man, anti-life and anti-florishing.

Neglecting your mind to submit the whims of faith will never brimg happimess. Look at Europe during the Dark Ages or at Afghanistan today which is a country taking Abraham seriously.

From your vehemence, is it because of your experiences with God? Perhaps you can relate one or two?
I do not have relationships with that which does not exist. I am not delulu. Are you?
 
Is the parent who lies to their child, worthy of the child's respect?

One great difficulty of being religious is not coming to accept your bibles as just allegorical tales with a message. The child will eventually learn too that you don't buy into the impossible tales either.

We have established earlier that you don't! Are you going to try to go back now?
What you intend for evil, God is using for good.
 
I object to religion on allbgrounds: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. It is a philosophy of misery and suffering. Anti-man, anti-life and anti-florishing.
Life is unfair. You can expect to suffer.
 
First, God asks, not that we accept Him blindly, but that we week and find Him. What are the horrible consequences you speak of? What are the rules you objecting to? How does God punish you?

From your vehemence, is it because of your experiences with God? Perhaps you can relate one or two?
Those who are spreading the word of the god are represented by evil people such as Kenneth Copeland!

There can be no greater! And it's not going to work to say that his accomplices were unaware of the evil!

Now you own him my friend and your taxes will still go to keeping his evil godly carcass alive.
 
I disagree. Life is great.
You've never ever suffered one single thing in your life? Never been sad? Never had anything bad happen to you? Most honest people would acknowledge that life isn't fair; income inequality, white privilege, slavery, gender inequality, infidelity, fraud in business, politics, wall street, religion and even sports.

I would bet many of your posts complain about unfairness in one way or another.
 
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I object to religion on all grounds: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. It is a philosophy of misery and suffering. Anti-man, anti-life and anti-florishing.

Neglecting your mind to submit the whims of faith will never brimg happimess. Look at Europe during the Dark Ages or at Afghanistan today which is a country taking Abraham seriously.
That objection is based on one side of the whole. It is not a philosophy of misery and suffering, but one of joy.
I do not have relationships with that which does not exist. I am not delulu. Are you?
No, because I do not ignore, or pretend what exists, does not exist.
 
The god won't turn down the money earned by Kenneth Copeland and his faith healing ilk.

Now Christianity owns him!
That's nice. Subordination of religion isn't anything new. Your kind has been around since the beginning of man.
 
Those who are spreading the word of the god are represented by evil people such as Kenneth Copeland!

There can be no greater! And it's not going to work to say that his accomplices were unaware of the evil!

Now you own him my friend and your taxes will still go to keeping his evil godly carcass alive.
When I was working with children, the class was talking about the origins of our holidays and when teacher told them about Easter an 8 year old girl interrupted her:
- "What do you mean resurrected? Yes, but it's impossible, heeellooo? No, you can't die and then not be dead [puts out her arms to emphasize] that is impossible!"

That girl debunked 2000 years of bs in one breath and she was 8.

Just sayin'.
 
When I was working with children, the class was talking about the origins of our holidays and when teacher told them about Easter an 8 year old girl interrupted her:
- "What do you mean resurrected? Yes, but it's impossible, heeellooo? No, you can't die and then not be dead [puts out her arms to emphasize] that is impossible!"

That girl debunked 2000 years of bs in one breath and she was 8.

Just sayin'.
I looked at the evidence, but then again I'm not eight.

The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
 
You've never ever suffered one single thing in your life? Never been sad? Never had anything bad happen to you? Most honest people would acknowledge that life isn't fair; income inequality, white privilege, slavery, gender inequality, infidelity, fraud in business, politics, wall street, religion and even sports.

I would bet many of your posts complain about unfairness in one way or another.
Bad things happen, but the world is not evil and life is not suffering. Unless you live in North Korea or Subsaharan Africa, maybe. Overall, life is truly awesome.
 
That's nice. Subordination of religion isn't anything new. Your kind has been around since the beginning of man.
The beginning of man can't be defined. Remember when we agreed that bible stories were allegorical lessons and not to be read as literal truth?

My 'kind' as defined by science has been around as long as our ancestors, the great apes. Can you pin it down more accurately?
 
In the face of the communist take-over of religious institutions.

1. It was a brilliant plan by the communists:
“Antonio Gramsci, the philosopher who became the iconic thinker of the 1960s, laid down the blueprint for precisely what has happened in Britain: the capture of all society's institutions, such as schools, universities, churches, the media, the legal profession, the police and voluntary groups. This intellectual elite was persuaded to sing from the same subversive hymn-sheet so that the moral beliefs of the majority would be replaced by the values of those on the margins of society, the perfect ambience in which the Muslim grievance culture could be fanned into the flames of extremism."
Melanie Phillips

2. "In 1907, a group of Methodists formed the Methodist Federation for Social Service (MFSS). The aim was to influence other Protestant groups. The next day, the group is received by President Theodore Roosevelt in the White House. One of the leaders, Harry F. Ward drafts a Social Creed that will be adopted by the 1908 General Conference and by the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America. Methodist Federation for Social Action

"The church, therefore, in the opinion of the federation, must accept
the Marxist point of viewThe federation, therefore, wants the religious leaders to preach a religious creed, not based upon the Bible and in defense of the American way of life, but one that is based upon the atheistic foundations of the philosophy of Marx. The federation wants the ministers to declare their judgment against the social economic system under which Americans live and prosper today in favor of the Socialist system, which in Russia and the satellite countries has brought the peoples." Read the ebook Investigation of Communist activities in the New York City area. Hearings (Volume pt. 5-6, pp. 1969-2143) by United States. Congress. House. Committee on Un-Am


3. And in trhe Catholic Church today...

"The Catholic turn to socialism is something to celebrate​

The turn to socialism must be seen as part of a general retrieval of the genuine political thought of the Catholic Church, against the misinterpretations of an older generation. The better part of a decade has now been spent identifying and correcting liberal corruptions of Catholic doctrine; once these have been dealt with, the socialist character of Catholic social teaching becomes clear.

By “socialism” I mean two things essentially: the rejection of the liberal, capitalist view of private property, and consequently the abolition of an economic order predicated on the exploitation of those who do not have property by those who do. Socialists desire a society of the common good, in which citizens collaborate for mutual advantage in enjoyment of peace and security; a society where the public authority is empowered to correct injuries to the common good, rather than standing by indifferently, as if it were powerless in the face of evil.
What a socialist means by the abolition of private property....."


4. There is absolutely no basis for Socialism in the Bible.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'
"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.
The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.
With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?



5. Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism.
The great difficulty in being religious is believing in a myth.
 
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