The hard facts driving impeachment fall apart

[Crepitus]

American Thinker

January 30, 2021
The hard facts driving impeachment fall apart
By Monica Showalter

Excerpt:

President Trump, who was impeached, no less, in the waning days of his presidency for supposedly starting a riot at the Capitol, is starting to look less and less culpable for what his enemies claimed.

A pipe bomb planted by rioters intended to distract police forces ahead of the Jan. 6 rally Trump spoke at turns out to have been planted on Jan. 5, according to the FBI.

According to The Hill:

The FBI released a new wanted poster on Friday revealing that two pipe bombs that were placed near the Democratic and Republican party headquarters and discovered during the Capitol riots on Jan. 6 were planted there the night before.

According to the newly released information, the bombs were placed between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. on Jan. 5.


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Whooops, there goes the silly incitement argument.

Rushing to judgement was a bad idea from the start.....

Not even close. He's been inciting for years, and raised it to a fever pitch following the election.

Next

 

[Sunsettommy]

American Thinker

January 30, 2021
The hard facts driving impeachment fall apart
By Monica Showalter

Excerpt:

President Trump, who was impeached, no less, in the waning days of his presidency for supposedly starting a riot at the Capitol, is starting to look less and less culpable for what his enemies claimed.

A pipe bomb planted by rioters intended to distract police forces ahead of the Jan. 6 rally Trump spoke at turns out to have been planted on Jan. 5, according to the FBI.

According to The Hill:

The FBI released a new wanted poster on Friday revealing that two pipe bombs that were placed near the Democratic and Republican party headquarters and discovered during the Capitol riots on Jan. 6 were planted there the night before.

According to the newly released information, the bombs were placed between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. on Jan. 5.


LINK

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Whooops, there goes the silly incitement argument.

Rushing to judgement was a bad idea from the start.....

How in the world do you come to that conclusion when Trump has been priming them for this event for weeks and months.

Do you think it was just one speech, the day of the protest????

What did the insurrectionists say when they were arrested? Who called them there on Jan 6th and what was their purpose?

Another democrat showing fear of reading the article that shows the violence was planned for weeks and against both parties headquarters and the Capital building. Trump main impeachment charge is based on the January 6 Speech, the Georgia phone call is a minor second charge.

Don't you people do any research at all?

Ignorance is all your fault.

 

[Sunsettommy]

American Thinker

January 30, 2021
The hard facts driving impeachment fall apart
By Monica Showalter

Excerpt:

President Trump, who was impeached, no less, in the waning days of his presidency for supposedly starting a riot at the Capitol, is starting to look less and less culpable for what his enemies claimed.

A pipe bomb planted by rioters intended to distract police forces ahead of the Jan. 6 rally Trump spoke at turns out to have been planted on Jan. 5, according to the FBI.

According to The Hill:

The FBI released a new wanted poster on Friday revealing that two pipe bombs that were placed near the Democratic and Republican party headquarters and discovered during the Capitol riots on Jan. 6 were planted there the night before.

According to the newly released information, the bombs were placed between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. on Jan. 5.


LINK

=======

Whooops, there goes the silly incitement argument.

Rushing to judgement was a bad idea from the start.....

Not even close. He's been inciting for years, and raised it to a fever pitch following the election.

Next

Yet another ignorant democrat not reading the DOJ and FBI statements found in the article that makes clear the attacks was planned weeks ago.

You people on vapors?

 

[OldLady]

nothing to do with Trump.

Tommy, none of this would have happened if it weren't for T****. It was ALL about T****, and he could have prevented or stopped it, if he wasn't a barking mad loon.

So you are going to ignore the Indictment charges and the FBI statements.

Democrats sure have a low regard for evidence, oh they have yet to present any in the thread, did the dog eat it?

You didn't read the article either......

Well, who were these three Oath Keepers conspiring to defend? Why did they choose the Capitol on the day of the EC objections and vote? That's my point. Of course their plan was about T**** and his claim that the election was stolen.

 

[2aguy]

Both Impeachments were a complete travesty. Pelosi and the Democrats have turned the Constitution into silly putty and mold into whatever form suits their purpose.

Uh, you guys impeached Bill Clinton over a blow job.

Colluding with foreign government and inciting riots that get people killed are a lot more serious.

No...he was impeached for committing perjury and obstructing justice.

 

[2aguy]

nothing to do with Trump.

Tommy, none of this would have happened if it weren't for T****. It was ALL about T****, and he could have prevented or stopped it, if he wasn't a barking mad loon.

So you are going to ignore the Indictment charges and the FBI statements.

Democrats sure have a low regard for evidence, oh they have yet to present any in the thread, did the dog eat it?

You didn't read the article either......

Well, who were these three Oath Keepers conspiring to defend? Why did they choose the Capitol on the day of the EC objections and vote? That's my point. Of course their plan was about T**** and his claim that the election was stolen.

The election was stolen.......you guys can lie to yourselves all you want, but it is the truth.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Trump began inciting violence from day one. He had a pattern of crossing the line then being sure to toss in some cheap plausible deniability slop like "We don't want any violence. No violence" to cover his ass with a smile, wink, and nod. Like it or not, that constitutes a "hard" pattern of illegal incitement and neglect. See, there's this thing:

The vice-president-elect is sworn in first, and repeats the same oath of office, in use since 1884, as senators, representatives, and other federal employees:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Around noon, the president-elect recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

You can run and squirm, but you just can't hide from what you swore to "preserve, protect, and defend."

 

[Grumblenuts]

A timeline of hate: Trump’s history of encouraging violence, from 2015 to 2021

Trump has emboldened hate groups and political violence from the moment he announced his presidency.

www.vox.com

 

[JoeB131]

I agree the Clinton never should have been impeached over a stupid blue dress and some dumb sexual dalliance, not even close to high crimes and misdemeanors threshold.

you mean in retrospect, you believe that. Frankly, the right wing was all for impeaching him over the blow job, and considered it treason that so many Republicans didn't go along.

He was impeached over the January 6 speech doesn't incite people to attack the Capital at all. No he was never charged with "colluding" with the Russians, heck even Mueller stated he didn't in section one of his report.

Trump was colluding with the Ukrainians to dig up dirt or falsify information on Biden's son. that is criminal.

So is inciting a riot. Seriously, you call a few thousand inbred rednecks to Washington, scream at them that "those people" stole the election, and then act all surprised when they storm the capitol saying, "Hang Mike Pence"?

The sad thing isn't that Trump was unfit for the Presidency, it was that so many people who KNEW he was unfit continued to enable him for four years, when they could have easily dumped him and got 99% of what they wanted with Mike Pence.

 

[JoeB131]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Not for sex.
He was being sued for sexual harassment.

which had nothing to do with a consensual relationship he had with someone who wasn't a subordinate.

The pure hypocrisy was the people who impeached him over a blow job were the same people who were cheating on their own wives (Gingrich, Hyde, Livingstone) or paying off men they fucked when they were teenage boys (Hastert).

Dude.

That is not what Clinton was impeached for.

Um, yeah, it was, Bible Boy. the only way they could prove he "lied" was that to illegally tape Ms. Lewinsky and then threaten her whole family with prison if she didn't testify they way they wanted her to.

 

[JoeB131]

No...he was impeached for committing perjury and obstructing justice.

Except that the question he lied about was already ruled by the judge to be immaterial to the case that was being heard. Before she dismissed the entire case as having absolutely no merit.

The only two material question in Jones v. Clinton were

1 ) Did Clinton sexually harass Jones?

This in and of itself is questionable. She claimed that Clinton's male member had a "distinguishing characteristic" , something that is not born out by Clinton's extensive medical files or any of the women who had sex with him who didn't claim he harassed them. So it's very possible she was straight up lying.

2) If he did, did she suffer any professional retaliation from refusing his advances.

The thing was, she didn't. She wasn't demoted. She wasn't denied any promotions. She wasn't fired. She quit the job on her own. Under the federal statue she was suing under, she wasn't entitled to any damages.

The ironic thing is that she is STILL on the hook for the legal fees she ran up being used by the Right Wing to smear Clinton.

 

[Dragonlady]

Both Impeachments were a complete travesty. Pelosi and the Democrats have turned the Constitution into silly putty and mold into whatever form suits their purpose.

Firstly, Donald Trump should never have been a Presidential candidate. A criminal with his history of bankruptcy, fraud, and dishonest dealings should never have been allowed to be the candidate of any major political party.

If the Senate had done its job and removed him the first time, 425,000 Americans would not have died. The first impeachment for extortion, bribery, and trying to get a foreign government to investigate his political enemies, should have ended this nonsense. The Senate said that they agreed that Trump was guilty, but they felt the American people should have make the decision.

The American people resoundingly voted Trump out of office. Since they had never voted him into office in the first place, this is hardly surprising. Trump was elected by the Electoral College, not the people. The people voted for Hillary. But the American voters spoke - LOUDLY. And still Trump refused to go.

Trump sent an angry mob to the Capital to prevent his being tossed from office. People were killed. Every Trump job ends with Trump going to the courts to force people who have fired him, to continue him running their property into the ground, Trump exhausting all court challenges, and still refusing to go, and the sheriff coming in and changing the locks on the doors. This one is no different, except this time Trump ordered a mob to stop them from firing them.

Damn Skippy this impeachment is just.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You know, it takes a special combination of stupidity and dishonesty to use a word like "incite", be proven unable to provide ANY statement that fits the description, and then just keep repeating the accusation like a good little sheeple.

 

[JoeB131]

You know, it takes a special combination of stupidity and dishonesty to use a word like "incite", be proven unable to provide ANY statement that fits the description, and then just keep repeating the accusation like a good little sheeple.

Trump called the demonstration.
Trump told them to march on the Capitol
Trump told them they had to "fight".

Um, yeah, Trump incited a riot. Deal with it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

His lying was due to the bogus investigation over his sexual dalliance,

His lying was because he sexually harassed Paula Jones, she sued him and he lied under oath.
Nothing bogus about it.

it was a gross mistake on his part

Lying under oath usually is a mistake.

because Starr had nothing else to impeach him on.

Yeah, his delaying tactics were almost 100% successful.

 

[Crepitus]

American Thinker

January 30, 2021
The hard facts driving impeachment fall apart
By Monica Showalter

Excerpt:

President Trump, who was impeached, no less, in the waning days of his presidency for supposedly starting a riot at the Capitol, is starting to look less and less culpable for what his enemies claimed.

A pipe bomb planted by rioters intended to distract police forces ahead of the Jan. 6 rally Trump spoke at turns out to have been planted on Jan. 5, according to the FBI.

According to The Hill:

The FBI released a new wanted poster on Friday revealing that two pipe bombs that were placed near the Democratic and Republican party headquarters and discovered during the Capitol riots on Jan. 6 were planted there the night before.

According to the newly released information, the bombs were placed between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. on Jan. 5.


LINK

=======

Whooops, there goes the silly incitement argument.

Rushing to judgement was a bad idea from the start.....

Not even close. He's been inciting for years, and raised it to a fever pitch following the election.

Next

Yet another ignorant democrat not reading the DOJ and FBI statements found in the article that makes clear the attacks was planned weeks ago.

You people on vapors?

Unless they were planned before November 3, 2016 they don't predate tRump's incitements and lies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Not for sex.
He was being sued for sexual harassment.

which had nothing to do with a consensual relationship he had with someone who wasn't a subordinate.

The pure hypocrisy was the people who impeached him over a blow job were the same people who were cheating on their own wives (Gingrich, Hyde, Livingstone) or paying off men they fucked when they were teenage boys (Hastert).

Dude.

That is not what Clinton was impeached for.

Um, yeah, it was, Bible Boy. the only way they could prove he "lied" was that to illegally tape Ms. Lewinsky and then threaten her whole family with prison if she didn't testify they way they wanted her to.

which had nothing to do with a consensual relationship he had with someone who wasn't a subordinate.

Who said it did?

The pure hypocrisy was....

Oh my!! Hypocrisy in DC? LOL!

 

[Sunsettommy]

His lying was due to the bogus investigation over his sexual dalliance,

His lying was because he sexually harassed Paula Jones, she sued him and he lied under oath.
Nothing bogus about it.

it was a gross mistake on his part

Lying under oath usually is a mistake.

because Starr had nothing else to impeach him on.

Yeah, his delaying tactics were almost 100% successful.

In 1994, Paula Jones filed a lawsuit accusing Clinton of sexual harassment when he was governor of Arkansas, that isn't an impeachable offense since it didn't occur during his time as President and her lawsuit was later thrown out in 1998, and the dumb Lewinsky affair was never a impeachable offense from the start.

Yes he lied (inside of the bogus Starr investigation frame), yes he slept around, but the unfair Starr investigation made a mockery of justice since the sexual misbehavior with Lewinsky was never impeachable offense, and the Jones lawsuit was about his Governors days was never settled to prove Clintons guilt, it was thrown out in 1998

Clinton was clearly a victim of Partisan Politics, a victim of a fishing Starr investigation, the bullshit he had to endure for several years.

 

[progressive hunter]

Both Impeachments were a complete travesty. Pelosi and the Democrats have turned the Constitution into silly putty and mold into whatever form suits their purpose.

Uh, you guys impeached Bill Clinton over a blow job.

Colluding with foreign government and inciting riots that get people killed are a lot more serious.

clinton wasnt impeached for a blowjob,, and you thinking so dismiss's you from any further rational discussions,,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

His lying was due to the bogus investigation over his sexual dalliance,

His lying was because he sexually harassed Paula Jones, she sued him and he lied under oath.
Nothing bogus about it.

it was a gross mistake on his part

Lying under oath usually is a mistake.

because Starr had nothing else to impeach him on.

Yeah, his delaying tactics were almost 100% successful.

In 1994, Paula Jones filed a lawsuit accusing Clinton of sexual harassment when he was governor of Arkansas, that isn't an impeachable offense since it didn't occur during his time as President and her lawsuit was later thrown out in 1998, and the dumb Lewinsky affair was never a impeachable offense from the start.

Yes he lied (inside of the bogus Starr investigation frame), yes he slept around, but the unfair Starr investigation made a mockery of justice since the sexual misbehavior with Lewinsky was never impeachable offense, and the Jones lawsuit was about his Governors days was never settled to prove Clintons guilt, it was thrown out in 1998

Clinton was clearly a victim of Partisan Politics, a victim of a fishing Starr investigation, the bullshit he had to endure for several years.

In 1994, Paula Jones filed a lawsuit accusing Clinton of sexual harassment when he was governor of Arkansas, that isn't an impeachable offense since it didn't occur during his time as President

Yup. And his perjury and obstruction of justice occurred during his time as President.

and her lawsuit was later thrown out in 1998, and the dumb Lewinsky affair was never a impeachable offense from the start.

Who said his affair was an impeachable offense? Link?

the Jones lawsuit was about his Governors days was never settled to prove Clintons guilt

He paid $850,000 to settle it.

Clinton was clearly a victim of Partisan Politics, a victim of a fishing Starr investigation

Awwwww.....poor guy. Never did nuffin'.