The Pattern of Democrat Presidents' Weakness (Obama & Biden) Triggering Russian Aggression

[BackAgain]

Just like you. Why would you consider what I say baseless, when you do the same? I guess because you’re the one without candor.

Unlike your false claim, my claim was true.

You’re a joke. Not a good one. Not a funny one. Just a joke.

 

[krichton]

I heard about a pattern of Democrat presidents' weakness triggering Russian aggression, so I decided to look into it.

Timeline:

2012: The attack on Benghazi with no serious US military (Obama admin) response or retaliation.

2013: Obama's "red line" is crossed by chemical weapons being used in Syria. There is no serious US military response.

2014: Putin invades Ukraine for the first time.

2021: Biden orders a chaotic retreat from Afghanistan which leads to the deaths of 13 US servicemembers and the abandonment of US allies and billions of dollars in military equipment and supplies that were captured by the Taliban.

2022: Russia invades Ukraine for the second time.

As the West learned with Hitler, Western weakness leads to aggression from predatory states. If you want war, vote for progressive Democrat presidents. They are inherently weak.

I won't argue this could very well be the case. On the flip side, you can vote red if you want a president who will take the US into another war or collapse our economy, or both, which is what Bush did, and it looks like Trump is racing towards this goal right now. I wouldn't want either kind of president, but if I was forced to choose, I'd pick a democrat 100/100 times.

 

[DonGlock26]

I won't argue this could very well be the case. On the flip side, you can vote red if you want a president who will take the US into another war or collapse our economy, or both, which is what Bush did, and it looks like Trump is racing towards this goal right now. I wouldn't want either kind of president, but if I was forced to choose, I'd pick a democrat 100/100 times.

Trump has a track record of getting peace deals and a strong economy during his first term. He's no Bush. That's why the GOP leadership hates him.

 

[krichton]

Have you ever heard the old saying “ you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”? Vilifying someone you are trying to negotiate with is counter-productive. Stroking a dictator’s ego costs nothing but can yield real dividends. Trump may be a blowhard and borderline sociopath, but he is a proven negotiator who gets results. Trump will work for the best possible peace in Ukraine, but as much as I hate to admit it, any peace will have to give Putin at least some of what he wants, or needs. Without something he can point to as a victory, Putin faces a very real death sentence from his rivals inside Russia. He will not let that happen, he’s too much the KGB apparatchik that he spent most of his life being. Both sides in the Ukraine war need a victory of some sort. I would prefer to see Russia utterly defeated and pushed back within its 2013 borders, but even with a great deal of western support, Ukraine lacks the manpower to do that.

I didn't seeing Zelensky villifying anyone. I assume you watched the press conference. I did not see an intelligent, well mannered and well spoken US president, I did not see a world leader who could play anyone to his fiddle in order to make a deal . I saw a weak and desperate Trump who wanted the publicity of being able to make a deal and when he didn't he stomped his feet and lashed out. Trump neither has the temperament nor intelligence to negotiate a peace between two countries actively warring with each other. His number 1 priority is how this can benefit himself. To even suggest the dumbest person in any room and ab ego maniac like Trump could accomplish a deal this monumental is just outright silly. This is the same man who jumped through hoops to negotiate the worst possible deal anyone could get with the Taliban even when he didn't need to. Trump is not working towards peace. He's working towards making a transaction for minerals. That's two completely different things. He's had meetings with Putin over how they can get Ukraine to surrender. That's not working towards peace, that's a plot to destroy the sovereignty of one of your allies while you benefit from it.

 

[krichton]

Trump has a track record of getting peace deals and a strong economy during his first term. He's no Bush. That's why the GOP leadership hates him.

The only deal Trump got done was the Abraham Accords, but was that a "peace" deal? It increased tourism and a lot of trade, I'll admit that, but beyond that, nothing else has been resolved. Will Ukraine and Russia suddenly become trading and tourism partners after this war? I highly highly doubt that.

 

[DonGlock26]

The only deal Trump got done was the Abraham Accords, but was that a "peace" deal? It increased tourism and a lot of trade, I'll admit that, but beyond that, nothing else has been resolved. Will Ukraine and Russia suddenly become trading and tourism partners after this war? I highly highly doubt that.

"Israel's initial agreement with the Emirates marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994"

Abraham Accords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[krichton]

"Israel's initial agreement with the Emirates marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994"

Abraham Accords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The question still remains, was it a "peace" deal? It was not. It was an agreement that lead to more trade and tourism. That is all. A step in the right direction, but not peace, in the least. We do tons of trade and tourism with china. It doesn't mean we won't fight them till there's a final winner.

 

[DonGlock26]

The question still remains, was it a "peace" deal? It was not. It was an agreement that lead to more trade and tourism. That is all. A step in the right direction, but not peace, in the least. We do tons of trade and tourism with china. It doesn't mean we won't fight them till there's a final winner.

You are incorrect.

"As part of the two agreements, both the Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. Israel's initial agreement with the Emirates marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994, when the Israel–Jordan peace treaty came into effect.[6] The agreements were named "Abraham Accords" to highlight the common belief of Judaism and Islam in the prophet Abraham.[7][8]"

Abraham Accords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is much more than trade and tourism.

 

[krichton]

You are incorrect.

"As part of the two agreements, both the Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. Israel's initial agreement with the Emirates marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994, when the Israel–Jordan peace treaty came into effect.[6] The agreements were named "Abraham Accords" to highlight the common belief of Judaism and Islam in the prophet Abraham.[7][8]"

Abraham Accords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is much more than trade and tourism.

This was before Israel tried to ethnically cleanse Palestine. The UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan were also never at war with Israel, they just support Palestine.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The question still remains, was it a "peace" deal? It was not. It was an agreement that lead to more trade and tourism. That is all. A step in the right direction, but not peace, in the least. We do tons of trade and tourism with china. It doesn't mean we won't fight them till there's a final winner.

There can be no final winner. Although we are far stronger, there are too many of them. We can kill them every day until forty years from now the last of us die.

We need to figure this out the right way: we both gang up on Russia.

 

[P@triot]

Why would there by a "military response" to a terrorist act???

9/11 was a terrorist act

Did we not have a “military response” to 9/11???

Are you under some bizarre impression that there shouldn’t be military responses to attacks if the attacks are by terrorists?

 

[P@triot]

Ditto the Crimea. And also, the government of the Ukraine was a puppet Russian government,

Soooooooooo let me get this straight. You think Russia invaded the country that was already completely under their control??

which was completely corrupt - which is why the US government sent Joe Biden to the Ukraine to fire the corrupt Russian prosecutor before more aid would be given.

Yep…Joe Biden arranged for the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden & Joe Biden for corruption in Ukraine, to be fired. That really illustrates the level of crimes & corruption committed by piece of shit Joe Biden.

 

[P@triot]

PUTIN is responsible for the war in Ukraine. Stop trying to blame anyone else.

Actually, the Democrats are responsible. The entire world knows that Democrats are physically, mentally, and morally weak. That’s why Putin invades Ukraine every time a Democrat is in power.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Actually, the Democrats are responsible. The entire world knows that Democrats are physically, mentally, and morally weak. That’s why Putin invades Ukraine every time a Democrat is in power.

And refuses to leave and laughs at Trump.

 

[P@triot]

That's what we're seeing from the Trump cultists here. It's dawning on them, that Trump really is a Russian stooge and a traitor to the USA. And that the liberals here have been right about every single thing.

It’s 10 years later, the “Russian collusion” hoax was proven to be fake (and proven that it was in fact Hitlery Clinton who worked with Russia to influence a U.S. election), and yet Mammaries is still trying to push the “Russian Collusion” hoax.

That is some next-level Trump Derangement Syndrome and desperation

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It’s 10 years later, the “Russian collusion” hoax was proven to be fake (and proven that it was in fact Hitlery Clinton who worked with Russia to influence a U.S. election), and yet Mammaries is still trying to push the “Russian Collusion” hoax.

That is some next-level Trump Derangement Syndrome and desperation

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Actually, the Democrats are responsible. The entire world knows that Democrats are physically, mentally, and morally weak. That’s why Putin invades Ukraine every time a Democrat is in power.

 

[DonGlock26]

And refuses to leave and laughs at Trump.

"Putin was a bad dude who ran a bunch of bad boys."
- Joe Biden

 

[mamooth]

It’s 10 years later, the “Russian collusion” hoax

Is this "butthurt day" with the USMB Trump cult losers? This is the second time today that a snowflake has pulled up a post that's over a month old so that he could power-weep at me.

Oh, I get it. Things are really, really bad in Trumpworld. So bad, that even the Trump cultists can't deny it any more. That breaks their brains. The cult has told them DearLeader is infallible, yet evidence irrefutably shows that DearLeader is a clown. The cognitive dissonance hurts them, so they're lashing out randomly.

We told you so. We were right, as we always are.