The SC saved trump from his worst impulses.

[kyzr]

That’s not true. Conservative have always use lower court rules to enforce anti-abortion rulings nationally.

Well then you should support the USSC defining what the district court's authority is.
I want Trump to create a Constitutional Crisis to settle the district court's role and limits.

 

[Lesh]

Well then you should support the USSC defining what the district court's authority is.
I want Trump to create a Constitutional Crisis to settle the district court's role and limits.

You want me to support something that has not happened ?

 

[kyzr]

Where does it say, otherwise? Cut and paste,please.

Lesh said:
If they’re actually gang members… prove it in a court of law and THEN deport them.

I said:
The AEA says otherwise.

Based on:

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law

The White House defended Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport gang members, arguing courts lack jurisdiction, even though a judge blocked the action.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law​

Its what the law actually says.

 

[Scoutster]

MS13 is a very important Democrat Party constituency group
In fact, criminals in general are a Democrat voting bloc.
The Democrats want MS13 to help them to turn our country into third world banana republic.

I’m starting to believe that.

 

[berg80]

I want Trump to create a Constitutional Crisis

You already have your wish.

 

[Lesh]

Lesh said:
If they’re actually gang members… prove it in a court of law and THEN deport them.

I said:
The AEA says otherwise.

Based on:

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law

The White House defended Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport gang members, arguing courts lack jurisdiction, even though a judge blocked the action.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law​

Its what the law actually says.

The White House says…

 

[berg80]

Lesh said:
If they’re actually gang members… prove it in a court of law and THEN deport them.

I said:
The AEA says otherwise.

Based on:

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law

The White House defended Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport gang members, arguing courts lack jurisdiction, even though a judge blocked the action.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law​

Its what the law actually says.

You keep making the mistake of believing any statement coming from the WH has legal merit.

The Supreme Court temporarily blocked the Trump administration early Saturday from deporting another group of Venezuelan migrants accused of being gang members under the expansive powers of a rarely invoked wartime law.

Trump Live Updates: Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Deportations of Venezuelan Migrants

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissented. A group of migrants had been scheduled to be flown out of the country, according to people familiar with the matter.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BluesLegend]

Dem SCUM will rue the day the filthy traitors. The American people overwhelmingly voted to DEPORT these MF'ers the hell out of our country. Dem traitors are trying to slow deportations so it takes 150 years to deport their invasion of 15 million illegals.

 

[Oddball]

The USSC has officially countermanded itself within two weeks....Regardez....

First....

Then this....

 

[Independent thinker]

Supreme Court, for Now, Blocks Deportations of Venezuelan Migrants​

The Supreme Court temporarily blocked the Trump administration early Saturday from deporting another group of Venezuelan migrants accused of being gang members under the expansive powers of a rarely invoked wartime law.

“The government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this court,” the court said in a brief, unsigned order that gave no reasoning, as is typical in emergency cases.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissented. The White House did not issue any immediate response.

More than 50 Venezuelans were scheduled to be flown out of the country — presumably to El Salvador — from an immigration detention center in Anson, Texas, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. The A.C.L.U. in recent days had already secured court orders barring similar deportations under the law, the Alien Enemies Act, in other places including New York, Denver and Brownsville, Texas.

Trump Live Updates: Deportations, Harvard Feud and Ukraine Peace Talks

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissented. A group of migrants had been scheduled to be flown out of the country, according to people familiar with the matter.

www.nytimes.com

Don essentially forced the Court in to a corner. How could it allow for the deportation of more human beings when it already ruled Garcia's return must be facilitated?

The fact that the regime was on a path to doing it before it was stopped displays just how willing trump is to openly defy existing court orders.

It's making me wonder if the immunity ruling has resulted in him feeling completely unaccountable for any action he takes. As for members of the regime, they know they will be protected from prosecution by the pardon power. All of which makes for the kind of lawlessness we have seen thus far.

The judiciary's enforcement power of its rulings is essentially non-existent. It depends on the regime's respect for the constitutional order that has governed the nation since we declared our independence. Respect it has shown it does not have. Which is why this thing could really go sideways.

LOL. One day you say he doesn't listen to the courts and the next day you say he will listen to the courts. I wish you'd make up your mind.

 

[Care4all]

Lesh said:
If they’re actually gang members… prove it in a court of law and THEN deport them.

I said:
The AEA says otherwise.

Based on:

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law

The White House defended Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport gang members, arguing courts lack jurisdiction, even though a judge blocked the action.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

White House says ‘no court can review’ 18th-century deportation law​

Its what the law actually says.

No. It says the OPPOSITE of that imo....did you read it? Here:





50 USC Ch. 3: ALIEN ENEMIES
From Title 50—WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

CHAPTER 3—ALIEN ENEMIES​

Sec.
21.
Restraint, regulation, and removal.
22.
Time allowed to settle affairs and depart.
23.
Jurisdiction of United States courts and judges.
24.
Duties of marshals.

§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal​

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

(R.S. §4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)

Editorial Notes​

Codification​

R.S. §4067 derived from act July 6, 1798, ch. 66, §1, 1 Stat. 577.

Amendments​

1918—Act Apr. 16, 1918, struck out provision restricting this section to males.

Executive Documents​

World War II Proclamations​

The following proclamations under this section were issued during World War II:

Proc. No. 2525, Dec. 7, 1941, 6 F.R. 6321, 55 Stat. Pt. 2, 1700.

Proc. No. 2526, Dec. 8, 1941, 6 F.R. 6323, 55 Stat. Pt. 2, 1705.

Proc. No. 2527, Dec. 8, 1941, 6 F.R. 6324, 55 Stat. Pt. 2, 1707.

Proc. No. 2533, Dec. 29, 1941, 7 F.R. 55, 55 Stat. Pt. 2, 1714.

Proc. No. 2537, Jan. 14, 1942, 7 F.R. 329, 56 Stat. Pt. 2, 1933, revoked by Proc. No. 2678, Dec. 29, 1945, 11 F.R. 221, 60 Stat. Pt. 2, 1336.

Proc. No. 2563, July 17, 1942, 7 F.R. 5535, 56 Stat. Pt. 2, 1970.

Proc. No. 2655, July 14, 1945, 10 F.R. 8947, 59 Stat. Pt. 2, 870.

Proc. No. 2674, Dec. 7, 1945, 10 F.R. 14945, 59 Stat. Pt. 2, 889.

Proc. No. 2685, Apr. 11, 1946, 11 F.R. 4079, 60 Stat. Pt. 2, 1342, set out as a note preceding section 1 of this title.

World War I Proclamations​

Proclamations issued under this chapter during the years 1917 and 1918 will be found in 40 Stat. 1651, 1716, 1730, and 1772.

§22. Time allowed to settle affairs and depart​

When an alien who becomes liable as an enemy, in the manner prescribed in section 21 of this title, is not chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, he shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of his goods and effects, and for his departure, the full time which is or shall be stipulated by any treaty then in force between the United States and the hostile nation or government of which he is a native citizen, denizen, or subject; and where no such treaty exists, or is in force, the President may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.

(R.S. §4068.)

Editorial Notes​

Codification​

R.S. §4068 derived from acts July 6, 1798, ch. 66, §1, 1 Stat. 577; July 6, 1812, ch. 130, 2 Stat. 781.

§23. Jurisdiction of United States courts and judges​

After any such proclamation has been made, the several courts of the United States, having criminal jurisdiction, and the several justices and judges of the courts of the United States, are authorized and it shall be their duty, upon complaint against any alien enemy resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President may have established, to cause such alien to be duly apprehended and conveyed before such court, judge, or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint, and sufficient cause appearing, to order such alien to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties for his good behavior, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations established as aforesaid, and to imprison, or otherwise secure such alien, until the order which may be so made shall be performed.

(R.S. §4069.)

Editorial Notes​

Codification​

R.S. §4069 derived from act July 6, 1798, ch. 66, §2, 1 Stat. 577.

§24. Duties of marshals​

When an alien enemy is required by the President, or by order of any court, judge, or justice, to depart and to be removed, it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which he shall be apprehended to provide therefor and to execute such order in person, or by his deputy or other discreet person to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President, or of the court, judge, or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.

(R.S. §4070.)

Editorial Notes​

Codification​

R.S. §4070 derived from act July 6, 1798, ch. 66, §3, 1 Stat. 578.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It's temporary folks. In case there might be a valid legal argument why this law doesn't apply to gang members from a foriegn country.

Maybe there is, but I haven't seen it on this forum.

 

[d0gbreath]

If they’re actually gang members… prove it in a court of law and THEN deport them.

Half of the people sent to that El Salvador jail were not gang members

What the fuck is wrong with being a gang member? I have friends in MS-13, The Oath Keepers, and The Bandidos too. I won't join any of them, having been offered, because I don't do military hierarchy clubs.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The judiciary's enforcement power of its rulings is essentially non-existent. It depends on the regime's respect for the constitutional order that has governed the nation since we declared our independence.

The fascist Trump regime of course has nothing but contempt for constitutional order and the rule of law.

Once again Trump seeks to violate the Constitution’s mandate of affording due process to immigrants:

“The ACLU said the administration was poised to deport the men using a 1798 law that historically has been employed only in wartime without affording them a realistic opportunity to contest their removal - as the Supreme Court had ordered.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-temporarily-blocks-deportations-venezuelan-migrants-under-2025-04-19/

 

[Lesh]

What the fuck is wrong with being a gang member? I have friends in MS-13, The Oath Keepers, and The Bandidos too. I won't join any of them, having been offered, because I don't do military hierarchy clubs.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[d0gbreath]

Why am I not surprised?

They're just people.

 

[Lesh]

They're just people.

Your buddies are criminals

 

[d0gbreath]

Your buddies are criminals

My president is too.

 

[kyzr]

The USSC has officially countermanded itself within two weeks....Regardez....

Exactly. The AEA is very clear. The USSC keeps trying to split the baby.

 

[kyzr]

No. It says the OPPOSITE of that imo....did you read it? Here:

50 USC Ch. 3: ALIEN ENEMIES
From Title 50—WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

Not Title 50. The AEA.