The Three Parties of the Future

[Vox]

it's not the parties, it is the special interests ... Term Limits would help solve the problem.

The more polarized America gets, the more there is a need for term limits.

Short of having term limits, the President (assume he/she was a patriotic one) must have line item veto, in order to strip pork from a bill, which is the greatest reason for the need of term limits.

What we need is an informed, responsible electorate.

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

 

[Unkotare]

The more polarized America gets, the more there is a need for term limits.

Short of having term limits, the President (assume he/she was a patriotic one) must have line item veto, in order to strip pork from a bill, which is the greatest reason for the need of term limits.

What we need is an informed, responsible electorate.

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

We can start by putting Tank and rdean on a raft and pushing it out into the ocean.

 

[FJO]

The more polarized America gets, the more there is a need for term limits.

Short of having term limits, the President (assume he/she was a patriotic one) must have line item veto, in order to strip pork from a bill, which is the greatest reason for the need of term limits.

What we need is an informed, responsible electorate.

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

Here is how:

When someone comes to vote, and his/her eligibility is confirmed with appropriate ID, pose a few questions, without prejudice, racial or otherwise, and determine that that the voter is not a complete idiot and knows what the hell he/she votes for or against.

Frauds, idiots, uninformed drones, freeloading incompetents and phonies would soon be exposed and denied the vote. After all, if voting is a RIGHT, being informed must be a RESPONSIBILITY.

 

[Vox]

What we need is an informed, responsible electorate.

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

Here is how:

When someone comes to vote, and his/her eligibility is confirmed with appropriate ID, pose a few questions, without prejudice, racial or otherwise, that the voter is not a complete idiot and knows what the hell he/she votes for or against.

Frauds, idiots, uninformed drones, freeloading incompetents and phonies would soon be exposed and denied the vote. After all, if voting is a RIGHT, being informed must be a RESPONSIBILITY.

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

America needs a third party like a fish needs a bicycle.

This is the computer age, which is, as yo know, based on the idea of BINARY, as in TWO.

No third party would put anyone in a category that is not already espoused by one or the other present parties.

You see what third party candidates have done in the past.

Russ Perot got the Arkansas hillbilly elected in 1992 and 1996.

Ralph Nader got George W. Bush elected in 2000.

If you want America to become like Europe, encourage third, fourth, fifth, sixth....thirtieth parties to grandstand and ruin your life and your country.

Well, yeah. Since a computer is binary in nature, our political system should be, too.


Yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.

I wonder at your erudition.

 

[candycorn]

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

Here is how:

When someone comes to vote, and his/her eligibility is confirmed with appropriate ID, pose a few questions, without prejudice, racial or otherwise, that the voter is not a complete idiot and knows what the hell he/she votes for or against.

Frauds, idiots, uninformed drones, freeloading incompetents and phonies would soon be exposed and denied the vote. After all, if voting is a RIGHT, being informed must be a RESPONSIBILITY.

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What we need is an informed, responsible electorate.

OK, there is nothing better than informed responsible electorate.

NOBODY opposes that.

HOW are we going to achieve it?

We can start by putting Tank and rdean on a raft and pushing it out into the ocean.

wait!.....make room for Dudley and Katz....

 

[Vox]

Here is how:

When someone comes to vote, and his/her eligibility is confirmed with appropriate ID, pose a few questions, without prejudice, racial or otherwise, that the voter is not a complete idiot and knows what the hell he/she votes for or against.

Frauds, idiots, uninformed drones, freeloading incompetents and phonies would soon be exposed and denied the vote. After all, if voting is a RIGHT, being informed must be a RESPONSIBILITY.

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

it is NOT discriminatory. Anybody who has the right to vote should show the responsibility of understanding what he/she is doing.
And it is a good proposal.

It is unachievable, though - because it would put an end to overwhelming fraud in the election system.

 

[Pheonixops]

I would like to see a party that takes the best from "the Big two" and the Libertarian Party and fuses it into one Moderate Party (everyday American party). An example of a Platform OI would like to see is:

1) Focus on restoring and guaranteeing Our Civil Liberties. (Bill of Rights would be a good start).
2) A non-interventionist Foreign Policy and in cases like Syria where there's no direct threat to us, send that matter to the UN and let them handle it. We also don't always need to be at the "tip of the spear" militarily for the UN or NATO.
3) A strong military that is always training and ready, but used judiciously.
4) Encourage domestic drilling for oil and natural gas and encourage alternative energy sources. (How can that probe sent out 40 years ago still operate on the same battery?).
5) Encourage manufacturing in Our country.
6) Flat tax.
7) Welfare to work and make welfare benefits finite for a set amount of time (years) , as well as making it an "assistance loan" to be paid back at a nominal percentage rate. If someone gets a job or gets married, don't taper or cut off the benefits (loan) right away, let them use that time they have in the "bank" to get on their feet and prosper.
8) We spend billions if not trillions engaging in wars and then "nation building", why not focus on "building" Our Nation before we try to do that for other nations.
9) "Gay Marriage"; why not?
10) Sentencing reform for small time non-violent offenders. Why not try probation and rehabilitation first? If them mess up again, throw the book at them.
11) Encourage small business development and encourage science and innovation.
12) A voluntary and contributory health care system that is truly affordable. In my opinion it can help lower medical and insurance costs because people won't use the emergency room and services as their personal doctors. Not this crap we have going now.

 

[whitehall]

While this thoughtful editorial comes from a Breitbart blog, it contains links and is worthwhile reading, even if you're a dedicated Leftist who doesn't want to believe anything but party propaganda.

Could the leaders of both parties have it wrong? Could top Republicans and top Democrats inside DC be simultaneously obtuse about the reality beyond the Beltway? You know, out there in the USA? Is there something about life in Powertown that distorts insiders’ perception of outsiders? Okay, that last one is a trick question, because by now it’s obvious that Washington politicos of both parties are drastically out of touch with the folks they purport to represent.

As the leadership of BOTH parties seems so far out of step with the majority of Americans, where will the people turn? What, if any, third party represents their values and desires?

The problem with the thesis is that it assumes that political parties are some sacred entity immune from criticism. It's ironic that the same people who condemn the republican party for allegedly being out of touch also condemn the Tea Party for trying to make the republican party more responsible.

 

[FJO]

Here is how:

When someone comes to vote, and his/her eligibility is confirmed with appropriate ID, pose a few questions, without prejudice, racial or otherwise, that the voter is not a complete idiot and knows what the hell he/she votes for or against.

Frauds, idiots, uninformed drones, freeloading incompetents and phonies would soon be exposed and denied the vote. After all, if voting is a RIGHT, being informed must be a RESPONSIBILITY.

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

Anyone who pecks out "LOL" instead of pecking out "Laugh(ing) Out Loud" admits that he/she is a worthless, good-for-nothing bastard who is too lazy to say what he/she means.
In other words, a liberal.

 

[candycorn]

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

it is NOT discriminatory. Anybody who has the right to vote should show the responsibility of understanding what he/she is doing.
And it is a good proposal.

It is unachievable, though - because it would put an end to overwhelming fraud in the election system.

It is discriminatory in any number of ways.

 

[candycorn]

not bad. but you realize such a proposal will never get past the legislative measures and even if it did it would be overturned by the courts.

which takes us back to square one.

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

Anyone who pecks out "LOL" instead of pecking out "Laugh(ing) Out Loud" admits that he/she is a worthless, good-for-nothing bastard who is too lazy to say what he/she means.
In other words, a liberal.

Gee, I'll have to learn to live with your bitter hatred of your betters....I'm guessing I'm far from being the only one whose had to bear such a burden.

 

[Vox]

I would like to see a party that takes the best from "the Big two" and the Libertarian Party and fuses it into one Moderate Party (everyday American party). An example of a Platform OI would like to see is:

1) Focus on restoring and guaranteeing Our Civil Liberties. (Bill of Rights would be a good start).
2) A non-interventionist Foreign Policy and in cases like Syria where there's no direct threat to us, send that matter to the UN and let them handle it. We also don't always need to be at the "tip of the spear" militarily for the UN or NATO.
3) A strong military that is always training and ready, but used judiciously.
4) Encourage domestic drilling for oil and natural gas and encourage alternative energy sources. (How can that probe sent out 40 years ago still operate on the same battery?).
5) Encourage manufacturing in Our country.
6) Flat tax.
7) Welfare to work and make welfare benefits finite for a set amount of time (years) , as well as making it an "assistance loan" to be paid back at a nominal percentage rate. If someone gets a job or gets married, don't taper or cut off the benefits (loan) right away, let them use that time they have in the "bank" to get on their feet and prosper.
8) We spend billions if not trillions engaging in wars and then "nation building", why not focus on "building" Our Nation before we try to do that for other nations.
9) "Gay Marriage"; why not?
10) Sentencing reform for small time non-violent offenders. Why not try probation and rehabilitation first? If them mess up again, throw the book at them.
11) Encourage small business development and encourage science and innovation.
12) A voluntary and contributory health care system that is truly affordable. In my opinion it can help lower medical and insurance costs because people won't use the emergency room and services as their personal doctors. Not this crap we have going now.

I would add TORT reform across the board ( not only medical) and reform of the EMTALA laws plus eliminating the idiocy of mandatory sentencing laws.
plus reasonable immigration STABILIZATION - with securing our borders first and then with enhanced processing of the CURRENT immigration laws - perfectly working, but so sloooooow - why should it take 18 (sic!) years for an adjustment of status of adult son of American citizen who is ALREADY in the country?!? ( I am referring to the case of that Ca lawyer Garcia)

 

[Vox]

Hey, just because a proposed solution is impractical and discriminatory that doesn't mean it isn't a good one....LOL.

it is NOT discriminatory. Anybody who has the right to vote should show the responsibility of understanding what he/she is doing.
And it is a good proposal.

It is unachievable, though - because it would put an end to overwhelming fraud in the election system.

It is discriminatory in any number of ways.

nope. voting is a privilege and responsibility. if one does not have a mental capacity to answer simple questions regarding the very reason he/she is voting - he/she is not capable of choosing elected officials and should not be allowed to participate.

 

[Pheonixops]

I would like to see a party that takes the best from "the Big two" and the Libertarian Party and fuses it into one Moderate Party (everyday American party). An example of a Platform OI would like to see is:

1) Focus on restoring and guaranteeing Our Civil Liberties. (Bill of Rights would be a good start).
2) A non-interventionist Foreign Policy and in cases like Syria where there's no direct threat to us, send that matter to the UN and let them handle it. We also don't always need to be at the "tip of the spear" militarily for the UN or NATO.
3) A strong military that is always training and ready, but used judiciously.
4) Encourage domestic drilling for oil and natural gas and encourage alternative energy sources. (How can that probe sent out 40 years ago still operate on the same battery?).
5) Encourage manufacturing in Our country.
6) Flat tax.
7) Welfare to work and make welfare benefits finite for a set amount of time (years) , as well as making it an "assistance loan" to be paid back at a nominal percentage rate. If someone gets a job or gets married, don't taper or cut off the benefits (loan) right away, let them use that time they have in the "bank" to get on their feet and prosper.
8) We spend billions if not trillions engaging in wars and then "nation building", why not focus on "building" Our Nation before we try to do that for other nations.
9) "Gay Marriage"; why not?
10) Sentencing reform for small time non-violent offenders. Why not try probation and rehabilitation first? If them mess up again, throw the book at them.
11) Encourage small business development and encourage science and innovation.
12) A voluntary and contributory health care system that is truly affordable. In my opinion it can help lower medical and insurance costs because people won't use the emergency room and services as their personal doctors. Not this crap we have going now.

I would add TORT reform across the board ( not only medical) and reform of the EMTALA laws plus eliminating the idiocy of mandatory sentencing laws.
plus reasonable immigration STABILIZATION - with securing our borders first and then with enhanced processing of the CURRENT immigration laws - perfectly working, but so sloooooow - why should it take 18 (sic!) years for an adjustment of status of adult son of American citizen who is ALREADY in the country?!? ( I am referring to the case of that Ca lawyer Garcia)

Good points; tort reform I'm not so sure about, only because I have to research it more, and I forgot to address immigration. I agree with securing our borders, but I do think that the passport requirement to cross between Canada and the United States is a bit much. We used to go to Niagara Falls and just show our DL if that. I'll check out that case regarding Garcia.

 

[longknife]

I agree with almost every one of your points!

But, where are we going to find this?

If our political system is ever going to change, we need to start at the "grass roots", a term I'm somewhat uncomfortable with. I've long espoused that nothing will change until Americans begin to pay more attention to their state and local politics. School boards. Local judges and politicians.

In your state, how many of the "alternate" parties actually make it onto the ballot for local positions?

And then, the biggest problem in $$$$$. Big Money interests know how important local elections are and do everything they can to skew them their way.

Attend local alternate party meetings. School boards. Sit in on local judicial proceedings and rate the judges. Pass the word locally.

THEN, the system will change

 

[candycorn]

it is NOT discriminatory. Anybody who has the right to vote should show the responsibility of understanding what he/she is doing.
And it is a good proposal.

It is unachievable, though - because it would put an end to overwhelming fraud in the election system.

It is discriminatory in any number of ways.

nope. voting is a privilege and responsibility. if one does not have a mental capacity to answer simple questions regarding the very reason he/she is voting - he/she is not capable of choosing elected officials and should not be allowed to participate.

Give us an example...and make it multi-lingual too since we don't have a national language...of an unbiased question you'd like asked before someone voted for President?

 

[auditor0007]

the two-party system in this country is dooming the country's future.

it is ridiculous.

Are you suggesting we move to a parliamentary form of government? Here is the problem with having multiple parties in our system. You need a majority of the vote to be elected in most cases. So if you have multiple candidates running, you end up with a runoff with the two who received the most votes. This is normally what happens at the local level. As for presidential elections, if we did have three or four viable parties, the House of Representatives would likely be selecting our president in most elections as nobody would win the majority of the electoral votes.

The way our system is set up is the reason we ended up with a two party system. It just works the best given our set of rules. If we had a parliamentary system, then coalitions could be built to determine winners and losers. That would be more conducive to a multi-party system.

 

[National Socialist]

Just let the 2 parties destroy the country then we rebuild...with the ANSP