This Is Why The United States Cannot Simply Return Those In The Country Illegally to Their Country of Origin

[frigidweirdo]

Too many of them voted for Trump. Or don't vote. I'm not the one fucking them. They fucked themselves.

So yea, fuck the poor. We had an election. Trickle down, I don't agree with. I don't like. I like unions. I know they are important. Unfortunately, half of union members don't know the value of their unions. They voted for Trump. This is CRITICAL to the middle class. But guess what? Fuck em! They did it to themselves.

I've been fighting and arguing for liberals for at least 35 years. We've lost. Now you need to figure out how to survive their rule. Their way produces a small rich class, a small merchant class and the masses, known as the rabble, will be working poor. Until they realize they've been duped and insist on a president who is pro union and social security/medicare.

Right now, social programs and government is about to be cut. So it's every man for himself. I'm grateful I have enough money to survive it. I've saved enough I'll be able to retire at 62 or 65. I might die or go bankrupt if an insurance company is allowed to deny me coverage because of a pre existing condition, but whatever. Nothing I can do about that.

I might have to endure 20% cuts to social security and way more out of pocket for healthcare. But my nephews voted for Trump so I no longer worry about leaving them anything. Plus they both have great college degrees and parents who have $12million dollars right now. So besides what they make in their careers, they should both be millionaires when their last parent dies. And they had them old so they'll be 65 when my brother and sister in law are 95. I doubt they'll live that long. So those two fuckers will be millionaires right when most people want to retire but can't because they can't afford to. They have to wait till 62, 65, 67, Republicans want to make it 70.

It'll be a dog eat dog world. What could go wrong?

 

[daveman]

They don't support anyone because they can't vote.

And we saw from this last election that a lot of Hispanics did support Trump, which is like Jews supporting Hitler. (But then again, there were Jews who supported Hitler. I'm sure they felt pretty dumb when they got thrown into the ovens.)

Good Gaea, you're stupid. Hispanics who came here legally support Trump. They don't see why illegals should get for free what the legals worked so hard to get.

And +1,000 Retard Points to you for the retarded Trump + Hitler take.

 

[sealybobo]

It'll be a dog eat dog world. What could go wrong?

We've seen it here in Michigan. And to be honest, I agree with Republicans. Union workers are garbage. Half of vote for Trump. And half of them are lazy workers. And they are overpaid. Half of them don't even appreciate the union.

So anyways, when Michigan became a right to work state and when Bush won in 2000 I said OK fine, it's every man for himself. And I've done pretty well. But has the middle class as a hole? Fuck no. It's going to get worse under Trump/Republican cuts and tariffs. I can't wait to see it happen. America, you all deserve what's coming. And for the half who voted for Kamala, sorry but like in Germany, all Germans had to pay for Hitler. We didn't separate them by if they voted for him or not. Collectively they paid.

 

[Mac-7]

If Democrats didn't have fear-mongering, you couldn't say anything at all.

More fear-mongering. Billionaires! Booga booga!

But you really shouldn't say Trump's above the law. He's not a Democrat.

No, that was the voices in your head again. They're unreliable.

No, they're not. Reality doesn't support your claim. You know, just like every other claim you make.

From the link I posted in #131:

In Monday’s social media post, DOGE referenced a Federation for American Immigration Reform study from March of 2023 that showed illegal immigration cost the federal government roughly $151 billion. The study determined the cost of illegal immigration by subtracting $32 billion in tax revenue collected from illegal immigrants from a total of $182 billion in the “gross negative impact of illegal immigration.”

Illegal immigration is a drain on the US.

Most of the tax illegals pay is state and local taxes such as the sales tax

The idea that they are important positive contributors to the federal budget is a myth

Illegals are a drain on America

 

[Mac-7]

Well, you have a few things wrong here.

First, the Mexican government didn't protest furiously. In fact, they were very cooperative because there was a need for labor in Mexico at the time. Eisenhower had the international standing to convince Mexico to work with us. (As opposed to Trump, who is considered a buffoon in most of the rest of the world.)

Second, there were so many immigrants at that time because of something called the "Bracero Program," which recruited Mexican laborers to fill in for US Citizens who had been drafted for WWII. This meant that they were pretty easy to identify, as opposed to today, when illegals have learned how to blend in.

Third, a lot of people died during Operation Wetback. It wasn't considered a big deal then, but today it is recognized as a major human rights violation. In addition, many AMERICAN CITIZENS were swept up and deported in error.

All of this is relevant because

1) The foreign governments - and there are many of them- are not likely to cooperate the way Mexico did. Some of them, like Venezuela, we have very little influence over because we are already treating them as hostile. Good luck getting China to take back their illegals.

2) The minute someone dies in custody, or you accidentally scoop up Juan Sanchez, who was born here, it's going to be a public relations disaster. You'll hear cries of "I was just upset about inflation, I didn't vote for THIS!"

3) There was an actual economic need for Operation Wetback, in that Mexico needed labor, and we needed to make jobs for returning GI's. Today, we have the opposite problem. We have 7 million unfilled jobs right now.

Assuming that any of what JoeB said about how difficult it might be to return illegal aliens to enemy countries china or Venezuela to take their criminals and mental cases back, then its even more imperative to stop the importation of new migrants in the future

Build the wall, deploy the military along the border, bar pregnant chinese women from entering the country, go after illegal workers and deny them jobs

In exchange for DACA how about tying it to congressional action to pass a proposed amendment on birthright citizenship and sending it to the states for ratification?

 

[frigidweirdo]

We've seen it here in Michigan. And to be honest, I agree with Republicans. Union workers are garbage. Half of vote for Trump. And half of them are lazy workers. And they are overpaid. Half of them don't even appreciate the union.

So anyways, when Michigan became a right to work state and when Bush won in 2000 I said OK fine, it's every man for himself. And I've done pretty well. But has the middle class as a hole? Fuck no. It's going to get worse under Trump/Republican cuts and tariffs. I can't wait to see it happen. America, you all deserve what's coming. And for the half who voted for Kamala, sorry but like in Germany, all Germans had to pay for Hitler. We didn't separate them by if they voted for him or not. Collectively they paid.

Unions can be an issue. But sometimes it's about power verses power and often these things will level out.

One problem is the way the US govt and state govts are elected and the people who get elected, it leads to distorted politics, which means unions end up worse than they should be.

 

[sealybobo]

Unions can be an issue. But sometimes it's about power verses power and often these things will level out.

One problem is the way the US govt and state govts are elected and the people who get elected, it leads to distorted politics, which means unions end up worse than they should be.

Our population should decline and that’s a good thing. In the future you may need to pay for your own kids school. No public. And no social security but everyone saves. If not it’s on you. Then there’s healthcare.

Our government has been taken over by $. The middle class long term is doomed. Don’t have kids. Save.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Our population should decline and that’s a good thing. In the future you may need to pay for your own kids school. No public. And no social security but everyone saves. If not it’s on you. Then there’s healthcare.

Our government has been taken over by $. The middle class long term is doomed. Don’t have kids. Save.

No, I disagree.

People need to have some kind of security in their lives. Education benefits the country. With everyone paying for their kids education, you end up with a caste system.

The country has been taken over by money, and the solution is proportional representation. Not giving the rich everything they want.

 

[Mac-7]

No, I disagree.

People need to have some kind of security in their lives. Education benefits the country. With everyone paying for their kids education, you end up with a caste system.

The country has been taken over by money, and the solution is proportional representation. Not giving the rich everything they want.

Frigidweirdo thinks he’s an American

Or maybe he just wants to be

But in fact he has no dog in this fight

 

[Kondor3]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

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1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

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2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

---

3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

​

• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

---

4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

---

5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

---

Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

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The Trump administration will, in all likelihood, scoop-up all that internationalist bull$hit and drop it down a deep hole...

All it takes is withdrawing from the requisite treaty(ies) and... viola... no more international law -caliber legal problems...

Or just setting them off-to-the-side for the duration of a declared National Emergency as a matter of national security...

On a related note... perhaps we take a lesson from Missouri, which is fashioning bounty-credit and bounty-hunter programs...

 

[protectionist]

In exchange for DACA how about tying it to congressional action to pass a proposed amendment on birthright citizenship and sending it to the states for ratification?

The author of th 14th amendment, Jacob Howard, said birthright citizenship should not apply to children of aliens.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

​

---

1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

---

2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

---

3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

​

• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

---

4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

---

5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

---

Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

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Sources​

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Who cares send em back the way they came

Mexico gonna love that

To bad