Tom DeLay...Shameless political opportunist

[Bullypulpit]

Once again, Bill of Attainders only occur in reference to criminal law. So unless you are claiming Terri was put to death for some crime its irrelevant.

Further info presented by ReillyT showed that I was wrong.

 

[Bullypulpit]

What the heck are you talking about. It specifically is the legislatures job to write law. If they dont like court rulings they have every right to write a law to change it.

Legislatures do have the authority to write and pass laws, but those laws must pass constitutional muster.

 

[Bullypulpit]

That's strange, Smarter. I don't recall reading "southern states shall make no law concerning blacks" ANYWHERE in the XIVth Amendment. The amendments's reason for being is to ensure that, when state law comes into conflict with the Bill of Rights, the Bill of Rights prevails.

Therefore, when state court decisions "don't agree with " the United States Constitution, THEY SHOULD BE CIRCUMVENTED - HENCE - THE AMENDMENT.

How quickly we forget...Does the term "Jim Crow" mean anything to you?

As for the application to the Schiavo case, due process was served on both the state and federal levels leaving Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, as her guardian and medical power of attorney...repeatedly.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I can't fathom why you think that the legislature doesn't have the power to check the juducial branch.

The Legistative and Executive branches CAN trump the Judicial branch, but only so long as their actions are Constitutional. When their actions fly inb the face of Constitutional law, it is the job of a strong and <i><b>independent</b></i> judiciary to check them.

 

[musicman]

How quickly we forget...Does the term "Jim Crow" mean anything to you?

I'm not quite sure how "Jim Crow" pertains to the conversation, Bully. Could you clarify?

The point I'm trying to make is that the fact that blacks benefitted from the XIVth Amendment does not mean that it was created for, or pertains exclusively to, blacks.

As for the application to the Schiavo case, due process was served on both the state and federal levels leaving Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, as her guardian and medical power of attorney...repeatedly.

Questions remained in what you'll certainly admit were extraordinary circumstances. There was no power grab here; no usurpation of states rights. Congress - completely within its authority - addressed the question of jurisdiction. Ultimately, Judge Greer's ruling was upheld. That's not much in the way of federal activism.

 

[Bullypulpit]

In threatening federal judges, it's quite possible that Tommy stepped over the line from morally challenged to felon.

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Sourced from:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/lautenberg_letter_delay_schiavo_401.htm

 

[Merlin1047]

In threatening federal judges, it's quite possible that Tommy stepped over the line from morally challenged to felon.

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. DeLay will assert that he never meant any sort of physical harm. He will claim that his call that judges "answer" for their actions was intended to mean that they might be removed from the bench or otherwise disciplined.

Matter of fact, by the time that sleazy bastard finishes tap dancing, he will claim that he was in fact praising the judges for their work.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. DeLay will assert that he never meant any sort of physical harm. He will claim that his call that judges "answer" for their actions was intended to mean that they might be removed from the bench or otherwise disciplined.

Matter of fact, by the time that sleazy bastard finishes tap dancing, he will claim that he was in fact praising the judges for their work.

One can dream...can't one?

But you're right...He'll be crawdadin' back from that one so fast it'll make your head spin.

 

[musicman]

Guys, please tell me you're kidding.

 

[musicman]

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior" constitutes a THREAT?

Come on, guys - tell me you're kidding!

 

[musicman]

In threatening federal judges, it's quite possible that Tommy stepped over the line from morally challenged to felon.

<center><img src=http://rawstory.com/images/other/lautenbergdelay.gif></center>

Sourced from:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/lautenberg_letter_delay_schiavo_401.htm

OK - fine. To the degree that this obviously agenda-driven horseshit is
accepted as gospel ,we're going to get the government we deserve. Enjoy, folks!

 

[Merlin1047]

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior" constitutes a THREAT?

Come on, guys - tell me you're kidding!

MM, of course it's a threat. DeLay threatens some sort of adverse consequence. To deny that aspect is equally partisan as to assume that the threat involved physical violence.

I agree that this is a partisan attack which seeks to present DeLay's statements in the worst possible aspect. But let's not kid ourselves. DeLay is an idiot who attempted to bully the courts into producing the ruling he wanted and, having failed that, now continues his hairy-chest tactics by threats of unspecified repercussions.

 

[Merlin1047]

OK - fine. To the degree that this obviously agenda-driven horseshit is
accepted as gospel ,we're going to get the government we deserve. Enjoy, folks!

Which would you rather have - a government run mostly by judges who don't answer to anyone or a court system influenced by the whims of political whores who are owned by a consortium of special interests?

Would you prefer that the judiciary have unbridled power or would you prefer that some politician can stick his face into any judicial proceeding and influence it's outcome?

Personally, none of those options are acceptable to me. That is why I've been up in arms about the recent actions of the legislative branch in regard to the Schiavo case. There is an extremely delicate balance that must be maintained. All three branches of government must function independently as intended by the founding fathers. If we allow that balance to be upset, the consequences to our freedom and our form of government will be nothing short of catastrophic.

So kindly excuse me if I appear to be inappropriately enthusiastic when I see Rep DeLay getting something shoved up his nose. In my view, he richly deserves whatever he gets as payback for the damage he has done.

 

[OCA]

DeLay is just doing what he does best, making poor judgements and sticking his foot in his mouth while being the knee jerk jackoff that he has always been. This guy is a disgrace to my party.

About the only thing I can remember him doing right is when he called out that lone congresswoman, the only one who voted against going into Afghanistan.

 

[musicman]

So kindly excuse me if I appear to be inappropriately enthusiastic when I see Rep DeLay getting something shoved up his nose. In my view, he richly deserves whatever he gets as payback for the damage he has done.

Well, first of all, please allow me to apologize if my post seemed to take an imperious tone. Obviously, neither of us is going to move the other off his stance on federal intervention in the Schiavo case. However, that doesn't diminish my respect for you in the slightest.

You'll concede, though, won't you, that the letter posted by Bully is a nakedly shameless attempt to manufacture hysteria out of whole cloth? It's one of the oldest plays in the liberal handbook, and I have to say that this is perhaps the most disgusting example of the tactic I've ever seen.

 

[musicman]

Oh, hell - look at me getting all bent out of shape over nothing.....

I forgot to check THE DATE ON THE LETTER! I don't even know when my leg's being pulled!

Good one, Bully!

 

[Annie]

Oh, hell - look at me getting all bent out of shape over nothing.....

I forgot to check THE DATE ON THE LETTER! I don't even know when my leg's being pulled!

Good one, Bully!

One would wish, it's legit:

http://lautenberg.senate.gov/~lautenberg/press/2003/01/2005401638.html

 

[Merlin1047]

Well, first of all, please allow me to apologize if my post seemed to take an imperious tone. Obviously, neither of us is going to move the other off his stance on federal intervention in the Schiavo case. However, that doesn't diminish my respect for you in the slightest.

You'll concede, though, won't you, that the letter posted by Bully is a nakedly shameless attempt to manufacture hysteria out of whole cloth? It's one of the oldest plays in the liberal handbook, and I have to say that this is perhaps the most disgusting example of the tactic I've ever seen.

We're going to have to think of something to get even with Bully. The rotten sonofabitch suckered me good with that one.

 

[Annie]

We're going to have to think of something to get even with Bully. The rotten sonofabitch suckered me good with that one.

See my post above yours! :shocked:

 

[musicman]

This is liberalism's bare-assed audacity at its worst! Alec Baldwin instructs Americans to KILL HENRY HYDE, and no one bats an eye. But THIS - well, Mr. DeLay had better apologize.

If he backs off his statement by one iota, I'm killing him myself.