trump has some curious views about this country's laws.

[berg80]

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation​

President Trump asserted on Tuesday that undocumented immigrants should not be entitled to trials, insisting that his administration should be able to deport them without appearing before a judge.

The remarks, which he made in the Oval Office in front of reporters, were Mr. Trump’s latest broadside against the judiciary, which he has said is inhibiting his deportation powers. Mr. Trump falsely claimed that countries like Congo and Venezuela had emptied their prisons into the United States and that he therefore needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel the immigrants quickly.

“I hope we get cooperation from the courts, because we have thousands of people that are ready to go out and you can’t have a trial for all of these people,” Mr. Trump said. “It wasn’t meant. The system wasn’t meant. And we don’t think there’s anything that says that.”

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation

The president claimed that countries were sending their prisoners to the United States and that he needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel them quickly.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not sure who the "we" is in that comment but the 5th A guarantees several fundamental rights in criminal cases. It protects against double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and ensures due process before the government can take away life, liberty, or property.

Is it surprising to see trump admit he is unfamiliar with the founding principles of justice in America? Absolutely not. But even though they are stooges, one would hope people like the AG and Solicitor General have a working knowledge of the laws governing the country. Assuming they are, why haven't they disabused Don of his ignorance? Why are they allowing the POTUS to entertain notions of ruling without regard for the law? Why does he think he should get to choose who gets a trial and who doesn't? How could you folks have elected such a man?

 

[luiza]

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants​

Dishonest novice Troll Bot bugger86 now openly admits that he wishes to reward dishonesty and criminalty .

One has to wonder how dishonest this disreputable OP is in his own private life .

Obviously this Troll Bot's attitudes are not shared by honest and decent people .

Say , No , to un-American Troll Bots

 

[kyzr]

If you are in the US illegally, you get a hearing date and then get deported.

That is how "Remain ion Mexico" works.

Remain in Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[jbrownson0831]

If you are in the US illegally, you get a hearing date and then get deported.

That is how "Remain ion Mexico" works.

Remain in Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump has some curious views, and the bergster here doesn't??? Hahahahahahahaha

 

[berg80]

If you are in the US illegally, you get a hearing date and then get deported.

That is how "Remain ion Mexico" works.

Remain in Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From Judge Wilkinson.......

It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.

Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25900477/25-1404-ruling.pdf

Wilkinson's ruling speaks directly to trump's false claim the government gets to ignore the right to habeas corpus.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation​

President Trump asserted on Tuesday that undocumented immigrants should not be entitled to trials, insisting that his administration should be able to deport them without appearing before a judge.

The remarks, which he made in the Oval Office in front of reporters, were Mr. Trump’s latest broadside against the judiciary, which he has said is inhibiting his deportation powers. Mr. Trump falsely claimed that countries like Congo and Venezuela had emptied their prisons into the United States and that he therefore needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel the immigrants quickly.

“I hope we get cooperation from the courts, because we have thousands of people that are ready to go out and you can’t have a trial for all of these people,” Mr. Trump said. “It wasn’t meant. The system wasn’t meant. And we don’t think there’s anything that says that.”

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation

The president claimed that countries were sending their prisoners to the United States and that he needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel them quickly.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not sure who the "we" is in that comment but the 5th A guarantees several fundamental rights in criminal cases. It protects against double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and ensures due process before the government can take away life, liberty, or property.

Is it surprising to see trump admit he is unfamiliar with the founding principles of justice in America? Absolutely not. But even though they are stooges, one would hope people like the AG and Solicitor General have a working knowledge of the laws governing the country. Assuming they are, why haven't they disabused Don of his ignorance? Why are they allowing the POTUS to entertain notions of ruling without regard for the law? Why does he think he should get to choose who gets a trial and who doesn't? How could you folks have elected such a man?

Did the "migrants" that Obama deported get due process?
DID OBAMA GIVE THEM DUE PROCESS????????
Fuck off with your GASLIGHT DOUBLE STANDARD BULLSHIT, STALINBERG!!!!!!!!

 

[berg80]

The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?

And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” would lose its meaning.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Poor pknob, the truth HURTS, don't it?

 

[Man With A Plan]

From Judge Wilkinson.......

It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.

Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25900477/25-1404-ruling.pdf

Wilkinson's ruling speaks directly to trump's false claim the government gets to ignore the right to habeas corpus.

The judge's statement that illegals are "residents" of this country deliberately ignores the fact that they aren't in this country legally and therefore don't have the rights of a US citizen!

 

[SeaMajor7]

The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?

And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” would lose its meaning.

Did Obama give due process to his deprotees, Stalinberg?????
DID OBAMA DEPORT MIGRANTS WITH DUE PROCESS, STALINBERG???????
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!!!!

 

[berg80]

The judge's statement that illegals are "residents" of this country deliberately ignores the fact that they aren't in this country legally and therefore don't have the rights of a US citizen!

Incorrect. If habeas was only extended to citizens Wilkinson could not have ruled that Garcia was denied due process.

Fifth Amendment​

Fifth Amendment Explained

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Incorrect. If habeas was only extended to citizens Wilkinson could not have ruled that Garcia was denied due process.

Fifth Amendment​

Fifth Amendment Explained

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

DID OBAMA DEPORT MIGRANTS WITH DUE PROCESS, STALINBERG??????????????????????????

 

[Man With A Plan]

Incorrect. If habeas was only extended to citizens Wilkinson could not have ruled that Garcia was denied due process.

Fifth Amendment​

Fifth Amendment Explained

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Ludecke v. Watkins. The Supreme Court ruled that the President has the right to deport enemies of the State even after WWII had ended, denying habeas to a petitioner.

 

[kyzr]

From Judge Wilkinson.......
It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.
Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.
Wilkinson's ruling speaks directly to trump's false claim the government gets to ignore the right to habeas corpus.

You are conflating two separate issues.
1. Non-criminal illegals can be deported via Remain in Mexico
2. Criminal illegals need a hearing before being deported to El Salvador's CECOT maximum security prison.
See the difference?

 

[berg80]

Ludecke v. Watkins. The Supreme Court ruled that the President has the right to deport enemies of the State even after WWII had ended, denying habeas to a petitioner.

And you think Wilkinson and the SC are unaware of that case?

 

[Moonglow]

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation​

President Trump asserted on Tuesday that undocumented immigrants should not be entitled to trials, insisting that his administration should be able to deport them without appearing before a judge.

The remarks, which he made in the Oval Office in front of reporters, were Mr. Trump’s latest broadside against the judiciary, which he has said is inhibiting his deportation powers. Mr. Trump falsely claimed that countries like Congo and Venezuela had emptied their prisons into the United States and that he therefore needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel the immigrants quickly.

“I hope we get cooperation from the courts, because we have thousands of people that are ready to go out and you can’t have a trial for all of these people,” Mr. Trump said. “It wasn’t meant. The system wasn’t meant. And we don’t think there’s anything that says that.”

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation

The president claimed that countries were sending their prisoners to the United States and that he needed to bypass the constitutional demands of due process to expel them quickly.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not sure who the "we" is in that comment but the 5th A guarantees several fundamental rights in criminal cases. It protects against double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and ensures due process before the government can take away life, liberty, or property.

Is it surprising to see trump admit he is unfamiliar with the founding principles of justice in America? Absolutely not. But even though they are stooges, one would hope people like the AG and Solicitor General have a working knowledge of the laws governing the country. Assuming they are, why haven't they disabused Don of his ignorance? Why are they allowing the POTUS to entertain notions of ruling without regard for the law? Why does he think he should get to choose who gets a trial and who doesn't? How could you folks have elected such a man?

Let us deport Trump the criminal.

 

[Moonglow]

You are conflating two separate issues.
1. Non-criminal illegals can be deported via Remain in Mexico
2. Criminal illegals need a hearing before being deported to El Salvador's CECOT maximum security prison.
See the difference?

They have to be caught and deported within 15 days of entering the country illegally or be given a hearing after the fifteen days.

 

[berg80]

You are conflating two separate issues.
1. Non-criminal illegals can be deported via Remain in Mexico
2. Criminal illegals need a hearing before being deported to El Salvador's CECOT maximum security prison.
See the difference?

From AI.............

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Legal Status Doesn't Guarantee Protection:
  Individuals with legal status, like those with green cards, can still be deported if they violate immigration laws or are found to be inadmissible.
  
  
• "Remain in Mexico" and its Impact:
  The "Remain in Mexico" policy allowed asylum seekers to wait for their immigration court hearings in Mexico while their cases were pending. This policy, however, was not limited to those with criminal records, and some individuals with legal status were also affected.
  
  
• Deportation Process:
  Deportation, also called removal, involves the legal process of removing a non-citizen from the U.S. for violating immigration laws. The government can initiate deportation proceedings for various reasons, including criminal activity, but also for other violations or grounds of inadmissibility.
  
  
• Right to a Hearing:
  Individuals facing deportation have the right to present their case in court before an immigration judge. This allows them to argue against deportation and potentially seek a waiver or other relief.
  
• Criminality and Deportation:
  While criminal activity is a major factor in deportation, it's not the only one. Individuals with no criminal history can still be deported if they violate immigration laws or are considered inadmissible.

 

[kyzr]

They have to be caught and deported within 15 days of entering the country illegally or be given a hearing after the fifteen days.

Nope. All they get is a hearing date, then out they go.

Remain in Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kyzr]

From AI.............

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Legal Status Doesn't Guarantee Protection:
  Individuals with legal status, like those with green cards, can still be deported if they violate immigration laws or are found to be inadmissible.
  
  
• "Remain in Mexico" and its Impact:
  The "Remain in Mexico" policy allowed asylum seekers to wait for their immigration court hearings in Mexico while their cases were pending. This policy, however, was not limited to those with criminal records, and some individuals with legal status were also affected.
  
  
• Deportation Process:
  Deportation, also called removal, involves the legal process of removing a non-citizen from the U.S. for violating immigration laws. The government can initiate deportation proceedings for various reasons, including criminal activity, but also for other violations or grounds of inadmissibility.
  
  
• Right to a Hearing:
  Individuals facing deportation have the right to present their case in court before an immigration judge. This allows them to argue against deportation and potentially seek a waiver or other relief.
• Criminality and Deportation:
  While criminal activity is a major factor in deportation, it's not the only one. Individuals with no criminal history can still be deported if they violate immigration laws or are considered inadmissible.

All good until the "Right to a Hearing". Then you need to go back up to "Remain in Mexico".

Impressive AI post, but it does not refute Remain in Mexico.