Trump looks weaker than Neville Chamberland as he sells out democracy

[Monoculturalist]

If Putin can claim any kind of a win out of his unprovoked illegal terrorist invasion of a neighboring democratic nation the security of every country that shares a border with Russia will be in jepordy specifically and the cause of freedom and democracy in general will be imperiled.

In reality, Ukraine cannot hope to defeat Russia, occupy Moscow or force a regime change.
Ukraine can, with the help of the free world easily out last Putin, who can end this war whenever he wants...or when his army falls down.
Only Trump can save Putin the humiliating withdrawal of his army that it so deserves.

That's not how this works. Nations that border Russia but are part of NATO will not be invaded by Russia, because Russia doesn't want to start WW3.

Ukraine is hardly the "democratic" nation so many Westerners gush about. Zelenskyy suspended elections around the start of the war, and if I'm not mistaken, they're still suspended. Ever since Ukraine gained independence, they've just been a vassal state of the West and Russia alternately. At any given time, the prevailing regime is either a Western puppet or a Russian one.

This isn't unique to Ukraine, of course. Multiple former Soviet Republics are like this due to corruption and typically vulnerable economies.

In practical terms, Crimea is part of Russia, and the vast majority of people living there are ethnically Russian. A large portion of the Donbas is ethnically Russian as well. So, there's not a lot we could do to get Russia out of the Donbas without committing to what could easily escalate to WW3. Personally, I don't view Ukraine as being worth that.

A partition plan of some sort is most practical at this point, but we should also extend NATO membership to what remains of Ukraine. Neither side would get everything they want, but that's exactly how compromise works. Putin would hold onto parts of Ukraine, but the remainder of Ukraine would be protected by NATO.

 

[wihosa]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

STUDY THE 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis and tell me how is what JFK did different than what Putin did :

Cuban Missile Crisis​

For thirteen days in October 1962 the world waited—seemingly on the brink of nuclear war—and hoped for a peaceful resolution to the CubanKennedy Missile Crisis.

In October 1962, an American U-2 spy plane secretly photographed nuclear missile sites being built by the Soviet Union on the island of Cuba. President Kennedy did not want the Soviet Union and Cuba to know that he had discovered the missiles. He met in secret with his advisors for several days to discuss the problem.
After many long and difficult meetings, Kennedy decided to place a naval blockade, or a ring of ships, around Cuba. The aim of this "quarantine," as he called it, was to prevent the Soviets from bringing in more military supplies. He demanded the removal of the missiles already there and the destruction of the sites. On October 22, President Kennedy spoke to the nation about the crisis in a televised address.

Cuban Missile Crisis

In October 1962, an American U2 spy plane secretly photographed nuclear missile sites being built by the Soviet Union on the island of Cuba. Because he did not want Cuba and the Soviet Union to know that he had discovered the missiles, Kennedy met in secret with his advisors for several days to...

www.jfklibrary.org

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MAD Mutually Assured Destruction
Kennedy convinced Khrushchev with the naval blockade of Cuba that MAD would be the result of any first use by Russia, thus ending the first attempt at nuclear blackmail.

 

[Monoculturalist]

I said it before. If Trump is reelected he will stab Ukraine in the back & give Putin what he wants. Which is exactly what's going on. Trump doesn't give a damn about Ukraine or it's people because he hates Democracy & is a strongman wannabe dictator criminal lowlife.

They can spin it for the MAGA idiots all they want to.

Ukraine isn't exactly a bastion of democracy. Granted, a lot of Europe in general isn't. And if you actually understood American foreign policy in the context of the last 135 years, you'd realize democracy was never our priority. The Spanish-American War was not about democracy. Neither was WW1. Neither was WW2. Neither were the various conflicts of the Cold War.

And when it comes to domestic policy, democracy doesn't really figure in much for the managerial state either.

 

[Monoculturalist]

You're repeating Russian propaganda.

At the rate Russia has been "advancing " they will take 100 years to conquer Ukraine (not the Ukraine).

It's very difficult to dislodge dug in forces. After Russia's unprovoked invasion they gained a foothold by surprise and they got dug in. The US gave Ukraine an intelligence warning and the Russians were stopped far short of occupying the entire country. After three years the lines are little changed other than Ukraine's own surprise invasion into Kursk were they have dug in and have proven difficult to dislodge
The reality for the invading force is that if you're not winning...you're losing.

Russia is clearly losing this war. A three day " Special Military Operation ' has turned into a three year quagmire. Putin has destroyed his best troops and equipment. Casualties for Russia are approaching 1 million. Nearly 4 million service age Russians have fled the country He is dependent on North Korea for troops and ammunition.
The Russian economy has an inflation rate in excess of 10%. The ruble is cratering.

Putin is barely hanging on...the only thing that can save him from a well deserved humiliating withdrawal is Donny the Surrender Money!

Heroic Ukrainian freedom fighters deserve the support of America the world wide champion of freedom and democracy...or will we try appeasement with Putin?
How did "Peace In Our Time" work out for Neville Chamberlain?

Russia did lose a lot from the war, but so did the West. The real winner in this is China, since they have been funding and arming Russia in exchange for oil.

If the West was serious about winning, they would have collectively agreed to boycott China until they stopped supporting Russia. Because they didn't do that, it was clear this was more about war profiteering and money laundering.

 

[JWBooth]

So Trumps idea of obtaining peace in Ukraine is total and unconditional SURRENDER!

Russia keeps all the land they illegally stole from Ukraine .

Trump is disloyal to the United States and democracy and is obviously conspiring with Putin, or being blackmailed by Putin.

Trump is an enemy of the Constitution. He is engaged in tearing down the checks on his power.

Already our closest and most loyal allies have been turned against us. NATO, the most successful alliance in history on the verge of being shattered.

This is the most shameful and cowardly performance ever by a U.S. president


MAGA. the red lights are flashing... arrest this traitor!

You fucktards come up with the funniest shit.

 

[Contumacious]

MAD Mutually Assured Destruction
Kennedy convinced Khrushchev with the naval blockade of Cuba that MAD would be the result of any first use by Russia, thus ending the first attempt at nuclear blackmail.

Immediately after Obama removed Ukraine's duly elected President from power , February 2014 - Viktor Yanukovych , Putin demanded that Ukraine's status as a neutral buffer zone be restored. Obama's emissary Victoria Nuland responded by stating "Fuck the Minsk agreement , the US is not a signatory" - Putin patiently waited for 8 years before commencing the special military operation in Ukraine