trump says the quiet part out loud. Again.

[CrusaderFrank]

Putin doesn't get to tell other sovereign nations what they can and cannot do, dipshit.

So you think you can treat Putin like an Indian tribe and just tear up the Treaty in his face?

^ New democrat Party spokesman.

Dick loves starting more and bigger wars. Be a Dick, support more and bigger wars

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You can't give a straight answer, can you. You will have to go back to Putin's ass to get the rest of the answer in your mouth.

Even more hilarious is that two more countries on Russia's doorstep have joined NATO because of Putin's idiotic and illegal invasion of Ukraine.

Is he going to invade Finland and Sweden, too? And kickoff Article V of the NATO treaty?

Biggest military blunder in history.

Pretty obvious Ukrainian citizens made the biggest blunder by trusting Zelenskyy to live up to his “peace with Russia” campaign.

Also obvious NATO cannot defeat Russia in a conventional war

The US lost 57,000 young men in 7 years in Vietnam, that a bad 2 months for Ukraine.

Was it bad CIA intel that lead the Ukrainian oligarchs, BlackRock and the MIC to believe that they would control both Ukraine $12 T in resources and Russias $80 T?

They were all convinced that Russia was a paper tiger and that was their biggest blunder

NATO been pushing eastward since BJ Clinton lied about Kosovo being a threat to American security and now with Finland in NATO, we are right where we SWORE we’d never be.

Putin has been absolutely delicate dealing with Ukraine largely because the territory he’s reclaimed is already overwhelmingly Russian. NATO should keep that in mind

Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Even the Hill admits that Trump is right about Ukraine, the west provoked Russia into defending Ukrainians Russians in Donbass who overwhelmingly voted to rejoin Russia

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I served in the Balkans during the Clinton presidency. That was a NATO operation to prevent the ongoing genocide.

Your point?

What was the existential threat to the USA? Why couldn’t Europe handle it?

Thank you for your service

 

[g5000]

What was the existential threat to the USA? Why couldn’t Europe handle it?

Thank you for your service

Picking and choosing which NATO operations we participate in would lead to the other members doing the same, undermining our unified front.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Picking and choosing which NATO operations we participate in would lead to the other members doing the same, undermining our unified front.

So there was no existential threat to the USA

 

[g5000]

So there was no existential threat to the USA

There was no existential threat to the US regarding Iraq, either. But it is my belief we would have had to deal with Hussein again sooner or later. I came to this belief during some operations I participated in between the two wars in Iraq.

This belief has never been shaken. However, I will never forgive Bush for completely bungling the second war. He was an idiot listening to other idiots.

But i digress.


Most of the actions we took during my service were not about existential threats.

In fact, what makes America so exceptional is our humanitarian efforts, such as preventing genocides and mitigating revolutions and famines. All of which I participated in.

 

[TimFitz]

In other words you can’t explain why supporting Dictator Zelensky is okay, and doing massive trade with China is okay, but Russia is bad….

Which of your ridiculous claims do you want me to explain?

The list changes with every post.

You seem to be just ranting.

For instance, where does this BS about Putin being white and Ukranian DEI.

Your claim that Zelinsky appointed himself dictator is false (and surprise there)

 

[TimFitz]

It's such an uninformed answer! Like debating someone who can't even point to Ukraine on a map!

What's the point?

Russia said peace as long as NATO does not move another inch to the East. They moved east and Russia said Ukraine is the redline

How do you not know this?

Because it isn’t true.

The latest NATO expansions occurred as a result of Putin’s invasion.

 

[TimFitz]

Russia views nato as a threat. We don’t get to decide what other countries view as existential threats to their sovereignty. We’ve known Russia has viewed Ukraine entry into NATO as the reddest of red lines. They told us this when Bush was President. The head of NATO bragged that Russia told NATO if they put in writing that Ukraine wouldn’t be admitted to NATO that Russia wouldn’t invade and that he turned them down. Russia was wrong for invading Ukraine but we knowingly played a role in pushing them to it. A major role.

I suppose it doesn’t have anything to do with Putin’s well known and publicly voicecimperial ambitions to rebuild the Iron Curtain.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because it isn’t true.

The latest NATO expansions occurred as a result of Putin’s invasion.

Really? Kamala went to Ukraine in Feb 2022 and invited them to join NATO, after they spent the last several years murdering Russian nationals in Donbass, but Putin "started" it?

 

[Care4all]

Russia views nato as a threat. We don’t get to decide what other countries view as existential threats to their sovereignty. We’ve known Russia has viewed Ukraine entry into NATO as the reddest of red lines. They told us this when Bush was President. The head of NATO bragged that Russia told NATO if they put in writing that Ukraine wouldn’t be admitted to NATO that Russia wouldn’t invade and that he turned them down. Russia was wrong for invading Ukraine but we knowingly played a role in pushing them to it. A major role.

Geez, why would NATO, ever commit to the Ukrainians never being admitted in to NATO 25 years from then?

What would be in that deal that helped NATO and protected NATO nations?

Putin's illegal war on the Ukrainians, has pushed Ukraine's admission closer than what it was before Russia brutally and viciously attacked Ukrainians.

 

[Care4all]

Really? Kamala went to Ukraine in Feb 2022 and invited them to join NATO, after they spent the last several years murdering Russian nationals in Donbass, but Putin "started" it?

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

Ukraine was no where close to being admitted in to NATO...

 

[Couchpotato]

Geez, why would NATO, ever commit to the Ukrainians never being admitted in to NATO 25 years from then?

Putting Ukraine into NATO doesn't serve NATO's interests. It just doesn't. Unless their interest is to intentionally draw Russia and its allies into a war.

Can you name a single action that would be taken if Ukraine were a member of NATO that we couldn't take because it isn't in NATO? We can sell them weapons, train with them, we could even go to war on their behalf if we determined we wanted to do that. So, the only thing putting Ukraine into NATO does is cross a red line of a regional power that's asked us time and again to not cross. Sorry but fomenting adversarial relationships with foreign governments just seems dumb.

If this incursion is the actual threat people like you keep saying it is, why hasn't there been a Declaration of War bill even discussed in Congress? No one has even proposed one for it to be shot down. Why haven't European nations sent troops to push Russia back? Allegedly it's an existential threat to European existence as we know it. If that's not a reason for those countries to declare war Im not sure what is.

What would be in that deal that helped NATO and protected NATO nations?

What do you mean? Did I mention some deal?

Putin's illegal war on the Ukrainians, has pushed Ukraine's admission closer than what it was before Russia brutally and viciously attacked Ukrainians.

The history of this conflict didn't start in 2021. I know that fact breaks all your talking points regarding it but that doesn't change it.

 

[Couchpotato]

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

Ukraine was no where close to being admitted in to NATO...

from the Russian perspective waiting without assurance that NATO wasn't going to induct Ukraine would have been stupid. They view their inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Whether you believe it is or not is irrelevant they do. Ukraine wasn't in danger of getting invaded until we (NATO and the US) started talking about having them join NATO.

 

[TimFitz]

What was the existential threat to the USA? Why couldn’t Europe handle it?

Thank you for your service

The existential threat came from the Balkan war.

The EU was hesitant. The shadow of 1914 loomed large.

And the Russians were all but openly supporting the Serbs (as they had in 1914)

The US finally took the leadership role and ended the war.

Today, the threat to freedom and self determination is evident in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Alongside the geopolitical ramifications.

 

[TimFitz]

from the Russian perspective waiting without assurance that NATO wasn't going to induct Ukraine would have been stupid. They view their inclusion in NATO as an existential threat. Whether you believe it is or not is irrelevant they do. Ukraine wasn't in danger of getting invaded until we (NATO and the US) started talking about having them join NATO.

I guessyou never cracked a history book.

 

[22lcidw]

Picking and choosing which NATO operations we participate in would lead to the other members doing the same, undermining our unified front.

Historically Ukraine and Russia have a common ground. Those added nations in NATO ends up costing us more and dials the threat up a notch. You are cornering the Russians in their own backyards. Of course, even a limited nuclear exchange will end you. It will cripple the social agendas. And we will live in a far different environment. People may come together in that time; they will not tolerate bullshot though.

 

[TimFitz]

it seems to me that Russian trolls are heavily represented on this thread.

 

[Couchpotato]

it seems to me that Russian trolls are heavily represented on this thread.

For sure. Anyone who doesn't share your view on this topic most assuredly is a Russia troll, hates America, is a traitor and likely should be shot on sight.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The existential threat came from the Balkan war.

The EU was hesitant. The shadow of 1914 loomed large.

And the Russians were all but openly supporting the Serbs (as they had in 1914)

The US finally took the leadership role and ended the war.

Today, the threat to freedom and self determination is evident in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Alongside the geopolitical ramifications.

This is why DC should be swallowed by a giant sink hole, there would be so much Peace and Prosperity that Moschiach, the Messiah wouldn't have to come